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Hi, my phone is sort of in a coma right and I think that only a Nandroid Restore can save it right now.
Can someone upload for me a Nandroid Backup? So I can restore my Sensation 4G ? (Tmobile) ?
Thank you
M2oSa said:
Hi, my phone is sort of in a coma right and I think that only a Nandroid Restore can save it right now.
Can someone upload for me a Nandroid Backup? So I can restore my Sensation 4G ? (Tmobile) ?
Thank you
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Instead of going to the doctor and telling him the diagnosis, can you please explain exactly what's happening to your phone?
ReeF666 said:
Instead of going to the doctor and telling him the diagnosis, can you please explain exactly what's happening to your phone?
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Yes, right here: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1556926
Sorry
I'd be surprised if anyone will upload a backup for you. Nandroid takes a complete image of the device and as such is likely to contain all sorts of personal data.
I read your thread hand will try to help. Am i right to think that so far you have:
s-off?
SuperCID?
3.30 firmware?
Non-booting from but access to bootloader and fastboot?
Can you also reach recovery, and what is your hboot version as of now?
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M2oSa said:
Yes, right here: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1556926
Sorry
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It sounds like you've either got the incorrect firmware, or ROM, or it could be just incorrect check sums.
To save on re-writing everything that's been done thousands of times before, I'm going to provide this link to Android Revolution HD.
It describes how to do everything step by step. If you want to start from a clean base, just boot in to recovery, and wipe everything, switch it to USB mode, load your files on, and start flashing from scratch.
Remember, to make a nandroid every time you flash something new if you're unsure about anything. It's time consuming, but saves you a lot of time in the long run. I found out the hard way.
If you have any more problems, feel free to PM me, and I'll reply usually pretty quickly.
stringer7 said:
I'd be surprised if anyone will upload a backup for you. Nandroid takes a complete image of the device and as such is likely to contain all sorts of personal data.
I read your thread hand will try to help. Am i right to think that so far you have:
s-off?
SuperCID?
3.30 firmware?
Non-booting from but access to bootloader and fastboot?
Can you also reach recovery, and what is your hboot version as of now?
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Yes, you're right ! But I am using now the 3.32 Firmware and my Hboot version is 1.27.1100
ReeF666 said:
It sounds like you've either got the incorrect firmware, or ROM, or it could be just incorrect check sums.
To save on re-writing everything that's been done thousands of times before, I'm going to provide this link to Android Revolution HD.
It describes how to do everything step by step. If you want to start from a clean base, just boot in to recovery, and wipe everything, switch it to USB mode, load your files on, and start flashing from scratch.
Remember, to make a nandroid every time you flash something new if you're unsure about anything. It's time consuming, but saves you a lot of time in the long run. I found out the hard way.
If you have any more problems, feel free to PM me, and I'll reply usually pretty quickly.
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Thank you for your answer. I did this earlier this morning but nothing worked :/ ! The phone keeps rebooting after that. I tried to put a stock Tmobile Rom with the RUU but impossible to have my phone recognized with HTC Sync using the Toogle USB mode in EXT4 ! It's been two days now since my phone is off and I tried everything ! Áou guys are my last chance
Thanks
Boot into bootloader then run the ruu.
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dmcb123 said:
Boot into bootloader then run the ruu.
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Not working, phone is not detected
Boot into bootloader then run the ruu.<br />
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Agreed. SuperCID and s-off means you can run any ruu. If it doesn't run, something is stopping it:
Try the stock European ruu. Remove other software from PC that might sync with phone (HTC sync, double twist etc.) Check AV/firewall is not blocking ruu. Run ruu as administrator on your machine.
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Ruu is running.
The problem is when it says "Searching for the phone"
It doesn't find it
Try disabling anti virus and firewall uninstall all phone software from pc/lappy but leave HTC drivers and give it another shot sounds like you have something conflicting on there
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boroboy69r said:
Try disabling anti virus and firewall uninstall all phone software from pc/lappy but leave HTC drivers and give it another shot sounds like you have something conflicting on there
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Thank you for replying.
I don't have any Antivirus / Firewall and HTc Drivers are the only drivers that I installed (new windows set up).
Did u delet the pg58IMG.zip from sdcard, then boot into bootloader and run ruu?
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Yes, I did.
It says " Verifying info on your Android Phone, please wait " and then a Window pop up saying that the phone is not plugged in
1. Why 2 threads on the same thing?
2. I assume you have the drivers installed on your PC?
3. Is your phone a TMOUS 4G Sensation?
1/ They're not the same, actually
2/ Yes, I do have the drivers
3/ Yes, TMO 4G Sensation
I assume you're S-OFF with Super CID? If so...
1. Download this RUU:
http://www.4shared.com/file/Ww4udPO-/RUU_Pyramid_TMOUS_1505311_Radi.html
2. Download the guide attached to this post
3. Follow the guide, it may work for you
If the phone is still not working after flashing the right RUU then you'll need to send it back
Thanks for your answer, Eddy
GOOD NEWS, I was able to run the Android Revolution HD Rom by downgrading to the 3.12 Firmware. But I still can't run the Virtuous Inquisition Rom (My favorite so far )
I'll see if I'll be able to run it in the next updates
Thanks y'all for your help ! I really appreciate it
An a Thanks button for everyone ^_^
You need the 3.32 FW to run that ROM
EddyOS said:
I assume you're S-OFF with Super CID? If so...
1. Download this RUU:
http://www.4shared.com/file/Ww4udPO-/RUU_Pyramid_TMOUS_1505311_Radi.html
2. Download the guide attached to this post
3. Follow the guide, it may work for you
If the phone is still not working after flashing the right RUU then you'll need to send it back
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Is it possible to extract radio and ril from the ruu too? Would like to extract it from Vodafones newest ics release. What folder would it be under. Can't download it on my phone it would take me forever with my crap 2g network lol
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I tried flashing the newest firmware but i wasn't SuperCID, now i cannot get past the HTC logo. I am able to get to recovery and to bootloader... Is my sensation bricked?
ronnyzilker said:
I tried flashing the newest firmware but i wasn't SuperCID, now i cannot get past the HTC logo. I am able to get to recovery and to bootloader... Is my sensation bricked?
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No, you're not brick...just look at ah-khor thread and find the right one.
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Thanks for the reply I will take a look right now....
epsix said:
No, you're not brick...just look at ah-khor thread and find the right one.
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I used the patch that he has in his thread but I'm still having the same issue.. nay ideas?
ronnyzilker said:
I used the patch that he has in his thread but I'm still having the same issue.. nay ideas?
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You're trying to update your firmware to 3.32 for ics rom right?
Are you S-OFF and rooted?
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hi i have got the same problem now
hi ive got a htc sensation xe and its s-off and rooted and i just put the PG58IMG file on my sd card which is the ics version and when i put it into hboot mode to install the update it tells me model id incorrect and it says update fail and it asks me to press power to reboot and it reboots but after it gets to the beats audio bootlogo it reboots again and again over and over i got really scared do you think i bricked my phone because i do not know what to do know could you please help me out thank
Find my post will help u out like third one here
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staya-ahmed said:
hi ive got a htc sensation xe and its s-off and rooted and i just put the PG58IMG file on my sd card which is the ics version and when i put it into hboot mode to install the update it tells me model id incorrect and it says update fail and it asks me to press power to reboot and it reboots but after it gets to the beats audio bootlogo it reboots again and again over and over i got really scared do you think i bricked my phone because i do not know what to do know could you please help me out thank
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I had that same issue. Make sure you're super CID as well. Then the file should update properly and you can continue with the flashing.
Htc sensation 4g bricked
i tried revolutionary method to root my phone but before the clockwork recovery my phone showed an update fail and not able to recover my phone with fastboot flash recovery.img also...Please help me
pyramid pvt ship S-off RL
HBOOT-1.27.0000
Radio-10.14.9035.01_m
eMMC-boot
Jan 13 2012,17.33.34
rajaram1988 said:
i tried revolutionary method to root my phone but before the clockwork recovery my phone showed an update fail and not able to recover my phone with fastboot flash recovery.img also...Please help me
pyramid pvt ship S-off RL
HBOOT-1.27.0000
Radio-10.14.9035.01_m
eMMC-boot
Jan 13 2012,17.33.34
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Find your correct ruu, download ruu.exe to your pc, put your phone into fastboot mode, from h boot screen press power, you can then connect your phone to pc and run the ruu.exe as administrator. This will take you back to stock, s off, unrooted phone. Your phone will be restored and working. Then go read all of the stickies thoroughly so you understand what you are doing and what you need to do to successfully flash ROMS without the risk of bricking.
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Rhiannon224 said:
Find your correct ruu, download ruu.exe to your pc, put your phone into fastboot mode, from h boot screen press power, you can then connect your phone to pc and run the ruu.exe as administrator. This will take you back to stock, s off, unrooted phone. Your phone will be restored and working. Then go read all of the stickies thoroughly so you understand what you are doing and what you need to do to successfully flash ROMS without the risk of bricking.
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Sorry for being a noob, I don't quite get what you are saying.
Right now I'm pretty scared of bricking my phone, i've decided not to upgrade. Can I just insert the micro-sd card into my computer, then delete the firmware file and be done with it and have my phone back to normal????
Please help!!
Hi I'm learning about everything too. I can say I don't regret rooting and flashing custom Rom for a second! It can be intimidating at first, trust me I know but if you stick with it your reward will be great! Before you do anything read about it. What I did was even print out instructions so I didn't miss a step that helped me out a lot when flashing my first Rom. There's a lot to learn but everyone here is so helpful. Ask questions, read. Soon it becomes clearer and easier to understand. Its up to you if you wish not to proceed, but I just wanted to give you a pep talk and let you know you can do this! But never proceed unless you are comfortable with it. I wish you the best and good luck in what ever you decide to do.
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The boot loop problem really scared the **** out of me. I guess i was being a little careless and didn't bother to check the CID of my phone, I thought I have Super CID already, but it is showing i have the incorrect CID.
I really want to experience ICS, even tho I am happy with my phone right now. I'm just so afraid of bricking my phone.
I guess I will do more homework on it before I do it.
Can someone answer my question in the previous post?
Thank you in advance
Hey guys I'm pretty new to rooting. I unlocked and went through root process using hasoon2000 all in one that I downloaded here. Long story short phone worked fine , the I couldn't get it to get past boot screen....boots loops I think!?!?!? To cut to the chase. I now can only access twrp. It will not let me reboot because it say I have no os. I did do a tiatium backup but can only see those files on my pc when I mount through twrp. Also if it helps looks like it is in s-on. This is my buddy's phone....... I'm stoked its not bricked but I have no clue how to fix it. PLEASE HELP!
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Looks like you have to flash the boot. Img. If that doesn't work can you provide a list in order of what you did?
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I'm so thankful for the response! Ok from the. Start used the hadoon2000 all in one did the unlock through htcdev. So how I must have missed a step because s-on is on. Booted phone worked went in re started debugging and the installed superuser through twrp. Phone booted and worked. Installed Rom toolbox, beats audio hack, busy box, titanium. Did a sys, and app backup. Went ahead and went through the beats hack installed and rebooted. Phone turned on as normal. Then went in Rom toolbox changed font and boot animation. Rebooted and then wouldn't boot past t mobile image. Ok so this is where I think I blew it. Did battery pull, went into bootloader. Went into twrp. looked for a restore nothing titanium back up folder empty on phone but found when mounted to pc. Wiped catch wiped dalvic, now the stupid wiped the system.. now can't get out of Twrp says "are you sure you want to reboot no os found" I'm really hoping this is fixable
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everybodygo2guy said:
I'm so thankful for the response! Ok from the. Start used the hadoon2000 all in one did the unlock through htcdev. So how I must have missed a step because s-on is on. Booted phone worked went in re started debugging and the installed superuser through twrp. Phone booted and worked. Installed Rom toolbox, beats audio hack, busy box, titanium. Did a sys, and app backup. Went ahead and went through the beats hack installed and rebooted. Phone turned on as normal. Then went in Rom toolbox changed font and boot animation. Rebooted and then wouldn't boot past t mobile image. Ok so this is where I think I blew it. Did battery pull, went into bootloader. Went into twrp. looked for a restore nothing titanium back up folder empty on phone but found when mounted to pc. Wiped catch wiped dalvic, now the stupid wiped the system.. now can't get out of Twrp says "are you sure you want to reboot no os found" I'm really hoping this is fixable
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Hi,
As long as you can get into bootloader,it 's fixable.
In your bootloader,what does it say?
Hboot?
S-on/off?
malybru said:
Hi,
As long as you can get into bootloader,it 's fixable.
In your bootloader,what does it say?
Hboot?
S-on/off?
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Hboot yes
S-on
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everybodygo2guy said:
Hboot yes
S-on
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Hi,
What does your hboot say?
What exactly are you trying to achieve?
S-off?
malybru said:
Hi,
What does your hboot say?
What exactly are you trying to achieve?
S-off?
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Im sorry pretty new to this
hboot 1.27.000
I want to get the phone back to working as of now I can't get into it. Just into recoovery it just bootloops. I've been up all night reading about it and I just don't understand how to fix my mistake. Feeling totally nooby :banghead:
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everybodygo2guy said:
Im sorry pretty new to this
hboot 1.27.000
I want to get the phone back to working as of now I can't get into it. Just into recoovery it just bootloops. I've been up all night reading about it and I just don't understand how to fix my mistake. Feeling totally nooby :banghead:
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Hi,
Go HERE
Find a RUU that closely matches your area and carrier, and run it.
That should get you back to where you started.
malybru said:
Hi,
Go HERE
Find a RUU that closely matches your area and carrier, and run it.
That should get you back to where you started.
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Thank you Im a bit confused but working through it. Im having a hard time figuring out all of this. I cant get the sdk manager to work? I cant find my code? any other advice would be greatly taken
everybodygo2guy said:
Thank you Im a bit confused but working through it. Im having a hard time figuring out all of this. I cant get the sdk manager to work? I cant find my code? any other advice would be greatly taken
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Hi,
Look HERE
malybru said:
Hi,
Look HERE
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Ok thank you by the way for your help. SDK installed as per instruction on the link you sent me. In command prompt it dosnt see the phone but the phone say fastboot usb and is connected. any ideas?
everybodygo2guy said:
Ok thank you by the way for your help. SDK installed as per instruction on the link you sent me. In command prompt it dosnt see the phone but the phone say fastboot usb and is connected. any ideas?
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Hi,
Have you got the htc drivers installed?
Try a different usb port.
malybru said:
Hi,
Have you got the htc drivers installed?
Try a different usb port.
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Yes have HTC drivers. I did switch ports as well. Just dont know where to go from here?
everybodygo2guy said:
Yes have HTC drivers. I did switch ports as well. Just dont know where to go from here?
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Hi,
I had this with my tablet.
It's really annoying.
Try rebooting both phone and PC.
Uninstall htc sync, if you have it.
malybru said:
Hi,
I had this with my tablet.
It's really annoying.
Try rebooting both phone and PC.
Uninstall htc sync, if you have it.
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Ok so heres where Im at. its reading the phone just not showing it?!?! but i got this info from there.
CID tmus t-mob010
Im really confused on how to find the RUU..... If I had the RUU I think I would be set to try the flash... But thinking is what got me here anyways lol.
everybodygo2guy said:
Ok so heres where Im at. its reading the phone just not showing it?!?! but i got this info from there.
CID tmus t-mob010
Im really confused on how to find the RUU..... If I had the RUU I think I would be set to try the flash... But thinking is what got me here anyways lol.
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Hi,
Just try to run a ruu that you"think"is close to your carrier and area.
If it doesn't work, it will tell you.
No harm done.
malybru said:
Hi,
Just try to run a ruu that you"think"is close to your carrier and area.
If it doesn't work, it will tell you.
No harm done.
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Tried to run ruu. got this error
Error Code: -5001 : 0x80070002
Error Information:
>SetupNew\setup.cpp (142)
PAPP:
PVENDOR:
PGUID:
$
@Windows Vista / Server 2008 Service Pack 2 (6002)
IE Version: 9.0.8112.16421
using this file:///C:/Users/HP/Downloads/RUU_Pyramid_TMOUS_1.50.531.1_Radio_10.56.9035.00U_10.14.9035.01_M_release_223976_signed.exe.
Man Im so stuck! any other advice?
Flash new rom?
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everybodygo2guy said:
Tried to run ruu. got this error
Error Code: -5001 : 0x80070002
Error Information:
>SetupNew\setup.cpp (142)
PAPP:
PVENDOR:
PGUID:
$
@Windows Vista / Server 2008 Service Pack 2 (6002)
IE Version: 9.0.8112.16421
using this file:///C:/Users/HP/Downloads/RUU_Pyramid_TMOUS_1.50.531.1_Radio_10.56.9035.00U_10.14.9035.01_M_release_223976_signed.exe.
Man Im so stuck! any other advice?
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Hi,
That looks like a Ginger Bread ruu.
Is that what you were running?
If you has ICS, the radio should be 11.22 or something close to that.
malybru said:
Hi,
That looks like a Ginger Bread ruu.
Is that what you were running?
If you has ICS, the radio should be 11.22 or something close to that.
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Thank for your patients with me. I guess the ruu part just has me stumped. I cant find a RUU 11.22 or close.Im sure I can execute if I had the right one not sure where to find. This is such a bummer
Hi guys,
Just got the HTC One X about a week ago and the weird thing is, I was able to root the damn thing the first day I got it but the phone had some defect and I just got a new one today. It is still on 1.85. No matter what I tried, I am not able to root it. I was able to root it the first time using the one click method, and today I have tried both the one click method and the newer adb method. Ive been at it for hours with no luck. I have never had any trouble rooting phones before. I am honestly willing to pay like 30 bucks if someone can help me root the damn thing. Please help!
This might help
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1644167
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Thanks for the reply. I've actually been trying this all day today but I'll give it another shot. I just reinstalled the 1.85 RUU and hopefully it'll work.
Did anyone try to use the manual root process? Does anyone know why I get an error that says "failed to copy su, read only system" when I execute "adb push su /system/xbin/su" command?
LMAO, because people at HTC don't want lose their job!!!
Dude, I've been trying to root this thing for the past 4 hours with no luck. If you figure out how to do it, especially on a Mac or Linux machine, please let me know! And I'll do the same.
I miss my Nexus One
Did anyone try to use the manual root process? Does anyone know why I get an error that says "failed to copy su, read only system" when I execute "adb push su /system/xbin/su" command?
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There's a manual rooot method by beanups a couple pages back in the development section, took me a few tries but it worked .
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TheNightHawk223 said:
There's a manual rooot method by beanups a couple pages back in the development section, took me a few tries but it worked .
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That is the exact rooting process I've been trying but I get the error me mentioned in my previous post. I'm close to giving up and just getting a galaxy s3
18th.abn said:
LMAO, because people at HTC don't want lose their job!!!
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Lol I know but that command had to be executed if I want to root my phone using the latest method.
kt086 said:
Lol I know but that command had to be executed if I want to root my phone using the latest method.
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Just got it all successfully Thanks guys for trying to help!!
Hey guys,
I have a HTC Sensation Vodafone branded and I want to unbrand it. But the problem is, that the S-OFF doesn't work at all! I have the 1.27.00000 HBOOT but no matter how often I try to S-OFF it with Juopunutbear, it just doesn't want to work.
It wouldn't be too bad if I could boot into Android and use the phone again, but nope, it's not working either. Is there any way I can get Android back running or get S-OFF?
I also had to repeat the wire-trick about 10 times, but then it worked! Just be patient
I read this thread when I was just about to give up..
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=27595344&postcount=356
I don't know how you did it, but i guess you did a temp-root - just seach the thread for an un-temp-root and you'll be able to use the phone as normal
No I have unlocked the bootloader. I've tried it for over 1 hour now. Nothing works...
try to remove the battery for a minute and charge for some time..
so you're stuck at:
"Do not remove sdcard from phone
Do wire-trick now!! Look instructions at web
Waiting device...." ?
Nope. I get this error: Errorcode: 66732337 ErrorMsg: Still sober
The istructions on data recovery don't do anything. Still getting the JuopunutBear screen
It's the normal error when you haven't got the right timing
this guy did a gif on how to do http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=25207024&postcount=12
don't worry you aren't the first one having problems with it but it will work!
I really hope! I just got this phone for my one s villec2 and got 100€. It would be pretty bad if something wouldn't work.
Is it possible that it doesn't work with every device?
.TanTien said:
Is it possible that it doesn't work with every device?
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haven't heard that, as long as you're really on hboot 1.27.0000 it should work
I want ParanoidAndroid running on it so badly! Phone y u no work?!
I'm doing it all the time like it's showed in the post you sent me. But it's not working!
.TanTien said:
I'm doing it all the time like it's showed in the post you sent me. But it's not working!
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reduce the pause time
0.5 sec tap --- 1.5 sec pause --- 0.5 sec pause again
then tell me when its giving the error ...like x/45 --- i want the x in it
EDIT: also if you want to install custom roms ..you can easily do it even with SON when you have unlocked bootloader
look here
I just realized that the phone turnes itself off after the wire thing.
I don't know what you mean by x/45. The time till it connects?
It worked! Thank you all! I'm so happy now!
System is not booting though what can I do?
.TanTien said:
It worked! Thank you all! I'm so happy now!
System is not booting though what can I do?
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are you stuck at a boot loop?
Sh0wt1me said:
are you stuck at a boot loop?
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Nope, always in bootloader.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1614617
at the end he discribes how to flash a recovery and how to set the SuperCID and then you can flash paranoid android
I can't access Android. I alread did everything like said in the tutorial.
.TanTien said:
I can't access Android. I alread did everything like said in the tutorial.
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Try troubleshoot point #4. Present In my soff guide... Link in my signature
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ganeshp said:
Try troubleshoot point #4. Present In my soff guide... Link in my signature
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Still not working