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Hi,
does someone know the usual price policy of HTC concerning new models? Do previous ones become cheaper once a new one is available?
I'd be particularly interested in the Diamond, as the Diamond 2 will be available soon and I'd like to know whether I could expect a price drop soon.
Thanks.
lutent said:
Hi,
does someone know the usual price policy of HTC concerning new models? Do previous ones become cheaper once a new one is available?
I'd be particularly interested in the Diamond, as the Diamond 2 will be available soon and I'd like to know whether I could expect a price drop soon.
Thanks.
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It´s logic that prices goes down with the launching of new models, I don´t know if HTC has a policy and don´t really think so...
But let me give you an example of how the prices "down"
At least on my country, one of the lastest countries in the world to recieve any new model of almost anything.
Now days the actual price for an HTC S621 (Excalibur) is around $357USD!!!, X-peria is $1214USD (Just to give some examples)
With this example you can see that here lowing the prices does not apply
Maybe in other countries where new models arrive soon as they are launched you can see a sensitive decrease of the prices.
Just my point of view.
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It´s logic that prices goes down with the launching of new models, I don´t know if HTC has a policy and don´t really think so...
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Yes, thats why I am asking. I wasnt actually thinking of a real strict policy but rather about how HTC respectively most of the vendors acted upon the availability of a successor.
Did the prices usually decrease quickly once a successor was out or did they remain stable? I am asking because I want to get a Diamond but wouldnt really like to have a sudden price drop within two weeks.
i am thinking the same thing but with an experia
The prices apparently do not decrease with a new version. I just looked whether the price of the Diamond's predecessor, the Touch, dropped in price and it did not.
However right now I am seriously reconsidering anyway if I am getting a Diamond after having read http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=439410
supply and demand
I'd suspect that htc stop making
devices when newer ones come out
Yes that´s correct
But that is happening on the first world countries where consumism is more faster.
On other countries like mine due to the late arriving of new models we have a 2 year delay making the "old" models still being here sold as new and at impresive high prices.
I´m sure other countries behaive similar.
yep, it depends wich country your in if the price is going to drop. That's why ebay is a good reference for purchase with it's many different international sellers.
Here in Hong Kong Definitely price of a previous model will drop if the New Model comes out.
Just to give you some numbers for a HTC TOUCH HD.
When the HD was released here in HK it has costed initially ca. $930USD now HD will be sold for ca.$650USD. Most likely by the time Touch Pro2 will be coming out, the price will drop further ca.100-150USD.
However HTC made smart move and did not announced the TP2 is a direct succesor of HD but atleast it is almost the same just differences of Keyboard, miner screen issue and the camera. Therefore I believe here HK any new buyer will sure go with the TP2 which will put pressure of HD price.
With this years economy situation and other WinMo device manufacturer coming up with better devices ,HTC will be needing to droping the prices. Just Today I have seen the new Asus P835 just for ca.420 USD which has almost the same specs. like a HTC HD
Therefore as others also meantioned if you are in a country in which those new devices will be released on day 1 then I would say it is worth to wait for few more weeks.
Thanks everyone.
A price drop is also what I would have imagined, however as mentioned previously it doesnt seem to take place - at least here in Europe. The Diamond's predecessor, the Touch, started at EUR 410 and is now down to EUR 310 (when the Diamond was introduced it was at EUR 340). The Diamond at the other hand was initially available for EUR 500 and is now down to EUR 380.
So the price drop is rather equal, even with the Diamond not having yet a successor out.
So, as someone living and working in China, I've been super excited following up on the Xiaomi Phone. When they released the price as 2000 RMB (about $310 USD), I knew it had to be fake, or there was some serious funny business. The numbers just don't add up.
Engadget recently had a review of the Xiaomi phone and had it benchmarking near the Galaxy S 2 in several tests, so I think it makes sense to compare these two:
SGS 2 Advantages: Super AMOLED screen; 4.3 inch screen (vs 4 inch); forward facing camera; 1080p video recording (vs 720p); onboard storage (16 GB vs 4 GB); slightly smaller footprint.
Xiaomi Advantages: Price; processor speed (1.5 Ghz vs 1.2); battery (1930 mAh vs 1650); GLONASS and GPS tracking; highly customizable UI out of the box.
In China, the SGS2 retails for about 4300 RMB (about $670 USD). So how does a phone which is in the SGS2's ballpark retail for less than half the price?
It gets even more peculiar. Here are some questions Xiaomi hasn't cleared up(or at least I haven't seen their responses yet):
1) Xiaomi uses a Qualcomm processor and a LCD screen from Sharp (Japanese import). So they can't be using local parts to save costs, how are they able to offer the phone at only $310?
2) Local competitors like Huawei and ZTE who have much more experience in manufacturing (and much more leverage with suppliers) have yet to produce a phone remotely like this. Also, their closest local competition in terms of specs is something like the Huawei Honor, a single core phone that retails for about $400. Yet Xiaomi, which has never produced hardware before is getting better deals than these guys on components? Samsung also does component development in-house, but Xiaomi is getting better pricing than Samsung?
3) Xiaomi was originally a software developer. How did they pull a piece of impressive hardware like this out of nowhere?
4) Why retail for $310? They could sell it for $500 and it would still be way cheaper than an SGS2. Hell, I paid more than 2000 RMB for the crappy 2 year old Nokia I'm still using over here.
My Chinese is OK so I've been trying to read more on the Xiaomi forums, but I haven't really gotten any new information, other than there's something like 300,000 preorders already. I figure there's got to be some serious funny business going on. Probably:
a) ridiculous free loans and/or development assistance from the government to built up national prestige; or
b) copying another phone's internals verbatim; or
c) fake components of some kind
It looked really smooth in the Engadget video, so I'm inclined to be believe it's option A. Good for consumers I guess, but probably lousy if you're a Chinese taxpayer. Any ideas on why the price is so low?
Smaller companies tend to do these kind of things.
However I'm interested as well.
I believe that it's one part 'a' and another that generally huawei and zte have primarily been marketed for export (to SE Asia, India, EU) but the government is really trying to subsidize local start ups to fight imports (like HTC, Sony, etc...) and get Chinese to spend their money on Chinese things. But if a Chinese phone were 3000 RMB and a Korean or Japanese phone was also 3000 RMB, no one would get the Chinese phone for obvious reasons.
so basically you just made up a thread without any evidence and full of speculation accusing Xiaomi not being legit.
india are making ARM Cortex 9 phones with 4 GB for only $35
if they can do it, so can china
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Mmmhmm .
I don't why people have so much comments , no offence though .
Forever living in my Galaxy Ace using XDA App
I support you , and do your know meizu'M9 or MX?
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it is good for everyone. thank you!
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india are making ARM Cortex 9 phones with 4 GB for only $35
if they can do it, so can china
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Seriously?
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Seriously?
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yes, there is a post with the pictures and spec here in the forum
aprox 5 days old
it's made for the india school system
Hi it's my first post and I have no exact figures to support this other than a simple comparison to another industry.
I remember hearing from someone that the mark up on mobile phones (this was a while ago) was a few hundred percent. Remember that it doesn't cost 800 dollars to make a phone and the people that usually make it in third world manufacturing companies or places with poor working conditions only get paid a few dollars an hour to make your 800 dollar phones.
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My comparison industry is optometry. The following information comes from someone I know who is an optometrist:
"Frames like Gucci and Prada cost $3 per frame to make. In the stores you pay $500 dollars to buy them. That is an insane mark up. However they can't retail it cheaper because of an agreement in place to prevent the devaluation of the brand."
I am sure the same thing happens in the cell phone industry.
Just thought that this might put the legitimacy of the phone in perspective.
Thanks for your time.
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So, as someone living and working in China, I've been super excited following up on the Xiaomi Phone. When they released the price as 2000 RMB (about $310 USD), I knew it had to be fake, or there was some serious funny business. The numbers just don't add up.
Engadget recently had a review of the Xiaomi phone and had it benchmarking near the Galaxy S 2 in several tests, so I think it makes sense to compare these two:
SGS 2 Advantages: Super AMOLED screen; 4.3 inch screen (vs 4 inch); forward facing camera; 1080p video recording (vs 720p); onboard storage (16 GB vs 4 GB); slightly smaller footprint.
Xiaomi Advantages: Price; processor speed (1.5 Ghz vs 1.2); battery (1930 mAh vs 1650); GLONASS and GPS tracking; highly customizable UI out of the box.
In China, the SGS2 retails for about 4300 RMB (about $670 USD). So how does a phone which is in the SGS2's ballpark retail for less than half the price?
It gets even more peculiar. Here are some questions Xiaomi hasn't cleared up(or at least I haven't seen their responses yet):
1) Xiaomi uses a Qualcomm processor and a LCD screen from Sharp (Japanese import). So they can't be using local parts to save costs, how are they able to offer the phone at only $310?
2) Local competitors like Huawei and ZTE who have much more experience in manufacturing (and much more leverage with suppliers) have yet to produce a phone remotely like this. Also, their closest local competition in terms of specs is something like the Huawei Honor, a single core phone that retails for about $400. Yet Xiaomi, which has never produced hardware before is getting better deals than these guys on components? Samsung also does component development in-house, but Xiaomi is getting better pricing than Samsung?
3) Xiaomi was originally a software developer. How did they pull a piece of impressive hardware like this out of nowhere?
4) Why retail for $310? They could sell it for $500 and it would still be way cheaper than an SGS2. Hell, I paid more than 2000 RMB for the crappy 2 year old Nokia I'm still using over here.
My Chinese is OK so I've been trying to read more on the Xiaomi forums, but I haven't really gotten any new information, other than there's something like 300,000 preorders already. I figure there's got to be some serious funny business going on. Probably:
a) ridiculous free loans and/or development assistance from the government to built up national prestige; or
b) copying another phone's internals verbatim; or
c) fake components of some kind
It looked really smooth in the Engadget video, so I'm inclined to be believe it's option A. Good for consumers I guess, but probably lousy if you're a Chinese taxpayer. Any ideas on why the price is so low?
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I'd get the M9 or M9x ( or something.. Quad Core? HELLOOOOO )
I don't see why someone would get a device ONLY for Miui, most phones out there have a build of MIUI.
You really think that $600 phone costs $600 to make?
The markup on electrical goods from brand names can be over 200%
My point is not really related to the idea of a markup, I KNOW all cell phones have a dramatic markup, and I read not long ago an iPhone 4 costs about $180 to make, while they retail for something like $600 out of contract.
I'm more interested in a) How did this company come out of nowhere with this sort of hardware? and b) They don't NEED to sell it for 2000 RMB for it to be a hit. They could have sold it for $400-450 and it would have still been a hell of a lot cheaper than a Galaxy S 2.
That, coupled with the fact that the big guns in China (Meizu, Huawei, ZTE) are not even in the same ballpark with specs or price, is really weird.
If i can demo one and it works well, i'll definitely pick one up, but there must be some serious funny business behind the scenes.
Why must there be funny business?
Well, you can build a cheap phone if you want.
The question is: can you sell it cheap?
Operating costs, brand advertisement etc. They have no problem there, they just build a phone having no ad space on western media.They can do it, they are smart enough.Plus: we enthusiasts are their advertisement plan, we buy it for cheap, all our friends will buy it.
It's a win win scenario.My 2 eurocents.
andao79 said:
My point is not really related to the idea of a markup, I KNOW all cell phones have a dramatic markup, and I read not long ago an iPhone 4 costs about $180 to make, while they retail for something like $600 out of contract.
I'm more interested in a) How did this company come out of nowhere with this sort of hardware? and b) They don't NEED to sell it for 2000 RMB for it to be a hit. They could have sold it for $400-450 and it would have still been a hell of a lot cheaper than a Galaxy S 2.
That, coupled with the fact that the big guns in China (Meizu, Huawei, ZTE) are not even in the same ballpark with specs or price, is really weird.
If i can demo one and it works well, i'll definitely pick one up, but there must be some serious funny business behind the scenes.
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The issue is risk. Do you risk spending $300 on a new unknown brand or do you spend $450 on a noname brand when you can get a well known brand for $600?
There is obviously going to be a greater curve of buyers the lower the price you go and finding the balance is where your marketers need mettle. I think the current price is going to be very good to get users into buying the phone. Obviously, if they can become the new HTC, their markup is going to increase hugely.
My concern is going to be: at ~$300, what is the customer service going to be like? HTC's is mediocre here in the UK, but if Vodafone, Orange et al resell this phone, it's going to be VERY attractive to us as the carriers are held responsible until end of warranty.
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The issue is risk. Do you risk spending $300 on a new unknown brand or do you spend $450 on a noname brand when you can get a well known brand for $600?
There is obviously going to be a greater curve of buyers the lower the price you go and finding the balance is where your marketers need mettle. I think the current price is going to be very good to get users into buying the phone. Obviously, if they can become the new HTC, their markup is going to increase hugely.
My concern is going to be: at ~$300, what is the customer service going to be like? HTC's is mediocre here in the UK, but if Vodafone, Orange et al resell this phone, it's going to be VERY attractive to us as the carriers are held responsible until end of warranty.
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Just to clarify, the retailer is responsible until you have had a reasonable amount of use out of it irrespective of warranty
The law doesn't care about warranties, they're in the best case an agreement that the device will be repaired without the need to take legal action, and in the worst case used to illegally convince consumers they have no rights.
Take my Sensation, afaik it has a 12month warranty.
Say the screen dies after 18 months, I'll be demanding O2 repair or replace it otherwise I'll be contacting trading standards as being a phone provided on a 24 month contract I should be able to expect it to last at least 24 months and more especially considering the price when new.
I love being a consumer in the UK
Xiaomo said:
I support you , and do your know meizu'M9 or MX?
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yes~ Meizu much better than xiaomi
kerwin_pig said:
yes~ Meizu much better than xiaomi
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WHY DID YOU DIG UP OLD THREADS
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Hi,
Thanks for looking.
I have decided to change careers.
I'm 42 with a long career in systems and marine engineering.
The last three years I've fallen in love and want more fulfilling work and have more time with my girl.
So I've moved to Shenzhen, China and I am starting a business.
Selling stuff maybe, trading & factory production maybe, company representation maybe. The truth is I do not know.
I am still early here and keeping my vision wide.
At the moment I am living comfortably off savings and selling items on eBay to keep income cyclical and my brain working.
But this is short term.
What I could use is some direction. There is potential here but I am not sure what I should grab and focus on.
Electronics are my long time hobby with partial exposure at work, networking, PC's, etc.
So what should I sell, who should I contact, what is in high demand I can source here?
There are great marketing advantages as an American in China,
-honest time-efficient business practices for one,
-communication for another.
My eBay name if you're interested: URatpeace
Thanks for your time.
Just throwing this out there and seeing what sticks :>
Phil
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China? You can make fake iPhones running Eclair
OptimusLove said:
China? You can make fake iPhones running Eclair
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In all seriousness that isn't a bad idea. Copies like Gooapple and Goophone are selling really well. They have the same retina display, 1ghz processor, and ICS for $200.
There is a market for cheap Android phones, especially in China.
I'd say stick with apple copies because of the fact that you have something to work off of. It would be harder to create a new design.
Also, wait for the iPhone 5, that way you won't be stuck selling old hardware.
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u can publish android app if u r eligble for android merchant account.U can publish in behalf of those developers who are not elegible for same
Mobile phones and accessories. I'd buy Meizu Lenovo or ZTE or Ainol.
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Mobile phones and accessories. I'd buy Meizu Lenovo or ZTE or Ainol.
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Hi all,
Thanks for the response.
Ironic the talk about iPhones because I have been working with them the last two weeks. Found a Chinese American living here who needed help selling iPhone mobos and reconditioned iPhones on eBay. He has a small account and is not good with PC's. So we make over $2600 in three days but he has some freakout over 8 mobos sold to Chinese citizens. I will refund everyone there money and walk away from this nutcase. Shame to because 4S mobo are in high demand now.
Alot of cellphones here in all models. 100's of sellers. & 100's of shops rebuilding and repairing phones. I have personally seen phones completely disassembled, rebuilt, boxed up, and then brought over to an 'official' China Telecom booth and sold. Sold as new I guess.
I am more interested in tablets then phones. I'm running my whole business now on a Asus Transformer Prime.
What mid-range tablet specs do you think would sell well?
Cheers,
phil
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Hi all,
Thanks for the response.
Ironic the talk about iPhones because I have been working with them the last two weeks. Found a Chinese American living here who needed help selling iPhone mobos and reconditioned iPhones on eBay. He has a small account and is not good with PC's. So we make over $2600 in three days but he has some freakout over 8 mobos sold to Chinese citizens. I will refund everyone there money and walk away from this nutcase. Shame to because 4S mobo are in high demand now.
Alot of cellphones here in all models. 100's of sellers. & 100's of shops rebuilding and repairing phones. I have personally seen phones completely disassembled, rebuilt, boxed up, and then brought over to an 'official' China Telecom booth and sold. Sold as new I guess.
I am more interested in tablets then phones. I'm running my whole business now on a Asus Transformer Prime.
What mid-range tablet specs do you think would sell well?
Cheers,
phil
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Dual core tablet with 1 gig ram. Capacitive screen 200+ ppi and a lithium ion battery,none of that liPo nonsense. Decent thinness, not necessarily razor,just not a brick,and a sim slot. Please. A sim slot in international GSM. Don't put a VGA webcam. Don't at all,or put one that's decent. And a good gpu for gaming,don't just claim one which you haven't put. Autofocus on the rear camera. All the HDMI and USB slots THAT WORK...and availability in two colours at least.
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Dual core tablet with 1 gig ram. Capacitive screen 200+ ppi and a lithium ion battery,none of that liPo nonsense. Decent thinness, not necessarily razor,just not a brick,and a sim slot. Please. A sim slot in international GSM. Don't put a VGA webcam. Don't at all,or put one that's decent. And a good gpu for gaming,don't just claim one which you haven't put. Autofocus on the rear camera. All the HDMI and USB slots THAT WORK...and availability in two colours at least.
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Noted and i will try to track down. And price?
Cheers,
Phil
Shenzhen China
2012
Keep it under $350 as much as possible. For your situation, cheaper is better,since you'll clear stock faster.
However, quality is what will set you apart with your tablet. Don't just be cheap,be excellent value. Give your customers what they paid for,or even abit more.
Lastly, if you wouldn't be glad to buy it yourself, don't sell it.
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Hi,
Still researching and I have some I am looking at. I have actually bought a small 7" tablet (N77-Lscpe.com) to fill a couple work voids. Quality is good. It's a little buggy with the internet. Not as quick (1.2GHz) as my Asus tran Prime. Happy with it though. I have another tablet manufacturer I am talking to now that seems well built, slim, and has a SIM slot.
My eBay store just started today, http://stores.ebay.com/A-Foreigner-in-China. I am hoping to be adding every day.
I'm looking at carbon fiber products and motorcycle parts.
And alot of other things too.
Cheers,
Phil
Shenzhen China
2012
If you could find/make a USB charger that can give 5V 550mah out from a nokia blc 4 battery, that would be awesome. As long as its within 10USD, i will be in for one.
mrpotts said:
Hi,
Still researching and I have some I am looking at. I have actually bought a small 7" tablet (N77-Lscpe.com) to fill a couple work voids. Quality is good. It's a little buggy with the internet. Not as quick (1.2GHz) as my Asus tran Prime. Happy with it though. I have another tablet manufacturer I am talking to now that seems well built, slim, and has a SIM slot.
My eBay store just started today, http://stores.ebay.com/A-Foreigner-in-China. I am hoping to be adding every day.
I'm looking at carbon fiber products and motorcycle parts.
And alot of other things too.
Cheers,
Phil
Shenzhen China
2012
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Looking forward to seeing which tablet you settle on.
Say,could you get android market working on a Huawei?
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Mobile phones and accessories,tablet.generally the foreigner think that the thing of China very badly, too many deceptive website.
If I were you and I'm Into gadgets, I'd definitely start my own brand, put goals in front of you, just go step by step wither you could make a low end android phones, or high end android phones at a lower profit margin, design some nice boxes with a nice phone and a good warranty, if you are going to put warranty you probably want to see cost to profit margin.
If you need more ideas and that sort of stuff, let me know
by the way, Shenzhen is a very nice town, loved it there, every time I pass by Baby K but never got to go there, maybe next time.
good luck OP
Hi all..
Just wondering what people thought of the Chinese / cloned phones that pop up all over ebay?
I'm looking for a cheap ICS phone as my current phone contract is up for renewal and i want to lower the tariff but still get a newer phone.
The one I've seen is a gifive skyline X5 phone..
Just curious what there like.. i know there general performance will not equal the latest phones like the S3 or One X
don't buy those bad quality chinese cloned phone, you will waste your money. most of them will have problem after few months. they are cheap but with bad quality. if you are going to buy, i think Lenovo phone will suite your need, it't Chinese brand but good quality. my friends had 2 dead chinese phones within 3 months
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My general advice is to not get them.. Poor quality, unless you buy from a brand name such as Goapple or Xiaomi.
i got my gi five at the beginning of December last year and had no issues whats so ever on giff gaff with it ended up getting the daughter one for Christmas and she over the moon with it. on here looking for custom roms now lol
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i got my gi five at the beginning of December last year and had no issues whats so ever on giff gaff with it ended up getting the daughter one for Christmas and she over the moon with it. on here looking for custom roms now lol
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ive had 1 for 9 month they great phones only problem is battery dies in 2 hour of heavy usage but i got mine off ebay had extra battery for free
Hi guys,
Having a look through the likes of Tech Radar and Engadget, every so often you see good spec Android phones such as the Xiaomi Phone 2 or Pantech discover for around £200 (or $350).
Anyway EE have given me an amazing sim-only deal for £8.00 per month and for all my 2+ year old HTD Desire HD is still working, i imagine it won't be long before its needing replaced.
So, anyone recommend any good spec Android phones that will operate in the UK for around £200, similar specs to the new I've mentioned above..?
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