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Hello every one, I am thinking of getting a Sensation so decided to ask you about 2 issues ;
1) I keep seeing S-Off and for the hell of me I know not what this is.
2) While attempting a purchase on Amazon for phone and accessories, I always see Sensation and Sensation 4g. I can guess that the 4G has the 4g network capabilities which I will not need (in Egypt we do not have it yet) but for accessories will it really matter or is it the same when it comes to accessories and only the protocol differs.
Thanks a lot for the replies.
Accessories are the same.
S-off is r/w access to the nand on which system recovery and boot are stored.
Thanks. So no I can purchase accessories without needing to worry. As for the S-Off I still do not comprehend. What is it again?? Is it the ability to read and write to the nand from the recovery partition. did I understand correctly.
There is no difference between Sensation and Sensation 4G other than branding. Both have the same HSPA+ speeds, T-mobile is just branding it as "4G". Sensation 4G is for USA, and Sensation is for the other parts of the world (S4G is locked)
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Pretty much. If s-off means nothing to you in terms of rooting your phone enjoy your purchase.
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S-off means you can put modified software (ROMs) on your device and generally make it better. You have two methods to get S-OFF: xda way (revolutionary.io) or official HTC way. The xda way is better
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in layman's terms, it's "rooting"your phone (ability to replace any and all files on your phone). Being able to do that will allow you the ability to change any visual aspect you can think possible on your phone, just about any kind of performance, over clocking your cpu, undervolting your phone, enabling faster charging times, extreme power saving abilities, even the ability top change the entire operating system to something completely different... Along with loads more you can do that were never possible "stock". Removing these chains can come at a risk if you don't know what you're doing so make sure you research before unlocking your phones full potential.
Thanks every one for your explanation. Highly appreciated. I will get it for sure then. Cya soon on sensation sub forums.
Get the sensation without the t-mobile branding on it. You can flash tmobile rom if you like after s-off and it would be the same as the tmobile version sensation 4G, unless you like the tmobile branding stamped on your phone
don't forget the different bands!
skygear said:
don't forget the different bands!
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Hi skygear,
You and the user idavid actually posted contradicting claims You say the UMTS bands are _different_, idavid says they are the _same_ (several posts above yours). Can anyone actually verify what is actually the case?
Here's my phone - it's a T-Mobile Sensation 4G, and the website I bought it from originally claimed the UMTS bands were 900, 1700, 2100. When I got the box from them, the bands stated on the box were 1700, 2100, 1900 (in that order). I checked the website (newayci.com) again today and they corrected the specs to match those on the box, but in the carrier chart they claim my Sensation 4G won't work on Bell at all and only as 2G on Rogers - which does not make sense as Bell and Rogers use the same UMTS 1900 band.
So you see there's quite a lot of confusion, and it would be great if we could collectively clarify that. Is there any way to check it (except for getting a Rogers or Bell SIM with a 3G plan and putting that one in?)?
I am using the phone on Wind Mobile in Toronto, and it works fine, but I wasn't able to figure out so far if it will work as 3G on Rogers or Bell, who use UMTS 1900 band.
I posted the same question in another thread too, I'll report what I get from there (if anything).
Thanks in advance for help.
Does the XTC Clip supports the HTC Status (USA AT&T custom version of the ChaCha)?
As the titles says, does the XTC Clip works on the HTC Status? Anyone with some experience on it?
Thanks.
Just to explain: XTC Clip works on any HTC phone (hardware dependent). What you are asking is if it's working some custom ROM (software dependent). Get it?
And btw, Status = ChaCha. Status is not a custom AT&T version of ChaCha, it's just that HTC had a legal issue with the www.chacha.com company so they had to use a different name for marketing.
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Just to explain: XTC Clip works on any HTC phone (hardware dependent). What you are asking is if it's working some custom ROM (software dependent). Get it?
And btw, Status = ChaCha. Status is not a custom AT&T version of ChaCha, it's just that HTC had a legal issue with the www.chacha.com company so they had to use a different name for marketing.
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Thanks!
I would have thought that the Status was actually a custom version of the ChaCha as AT&T uses network frequencies that no one else uses which I suspect would require a different radio chip and radio firmware. Also the Status comes with all the AT&T crapware loaded and has a few features blocked (like USB tethering and wifi hotspot) unless you pay for them.
Ledrocnoc is correct. The HTC Status, while very similar to the unbranded ChaCha, is a little different. As you wrote, the radio is different in order to handle the 850/1900MHz range for AT&T's 3G network, as well as some differences in the front-facing camera, and of course the included software:
Compare the Status to the ChaCha
(yes, there is an FM radio in the Status, despite what GSMArena.com indicates)
Regarding the USB tethering and hotspot, even if those were available for "free" on the Status, AT&T will likely catch you anyways and make you pay. I know this for a fact because on my previous phone (unlocked GSM Palm Treo Pro), I was able to do internet sharing via USB and I used a software called WMWifiRouter to do hotspot. If you use it very sparingly (as in a few hundred KBs every few weeks or so), AT&T probably won't catch you. But if you use the tethering component regularly and consume a lot of bandwidth, they will catch you and issue you a warning. This happened to me with the Treo Pro when my wife used her laptop tethered to my phone to watch a movie via NetFlix. Of course, I immediately stopped internet sharing due to AT&T's insane $45 monthly tethering fee that they threatened to start charging me. I believe AT&T performs deep-packet inspection to see what is being sent through their networks and if they haven't caught you yet, they will soon.
So, yes, while the HTC Status has "locked" tethering, you would likely end up paying for the extra tethering cost eventually anyways if they catch you.
hockeyfan said:
Ledrocnoc is correct.
So, yes, while the HTC Status has "locked" tethering, you would likely end up paying for the extra tethering cost eventually anyways if they catch you.
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Not necessarily... I've been doing it for a while right now on my Nexus One and I have been using a VPN (on the laptop side) to hide the traffic from AT&T. Haven't had any problem so far
Which brings a follow up question: if I unlock / root my HTC Status, is there a WiFi hotspot app out there that I can use?
Thanks.
hockeyfan said:
Ledrocnoc is correct. The HTC Status, while very similar to the unbranded ChaCha, is a little different. As you wrote, the radio is different in order to handle the 850/1900MHz range for AT&T's 3G network, as well as some differences in the front-facing camera, and of course the included software:
Compare the Status to the ChaCha
(yes, there is an FM radio in the Status, despite what GSMArena.com indicates)
Regarding the USB tethering and hotspot, even if those were available for "free" on the Status, AT&T will likely catch you anyways and make you pay. I know this for a fact because on my previous phone (unlocked GSM Palm Treo Pro), I was able to do internet sharing via USB and I used a software called WMWifiRouter to do hotspot. If you use it very sparingly (as in a few hundred KBs every few weeks or so), AT&T probably won't catch you. But if you use the tethering component regularly and consume a lot of bandwidth, they will catch you and issue you a warning. This happened to me with the Treo Pro when my wife used her laptop tethered to my phone to watch a movie via NetFlix. Of course, I immediately stopped internet sharing due to AT&T's insane $45 monthly tethering fee that they threatened to start charging me. I believe AT&T performs deep-packet inspection to see what is being sent through their networks and if they haven't caught you yet, they will soon.
So, yes, while the HTC Status has "locked" tethering, you would likely end up paying for the extra tethering cost eventually anyways if they catch you.
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Actually you're both wrong. HTC ChaCha = Status. Regardless of what the software on it is (even if this software does limit some of it's functionality), the hardware is HTC ChaCha (it's like saying that if you put windows mobile on it it's not ChaCha anymore). For example you do have the full radio, up to 2100, but your operator's network has a maximum of 1900 MHz. The phone will still display 3G only or E for edge. Just do a little (official) check before making statements: http://www.htc.com/europe/smartphones/htc-chacha/#specs
It's there, black on white, the network speeds for Europe and "Other"
There are two hardwares, both of them are HTC ChaCha or HTC Status, doesn't really matter as it's the same phone.
Please use gsmarena as a rare quote in any statements as it's an unreliable site.
To explain my opinions: I work with phones 8 hours a day. (I'm a QA engineer testing the bluetooth connectivity between car-kits and phones/bluetooth devices). I have tested over 450 phones, from Motorola Razorz to LG Chocolate (yes, apparently some people still have this one) to the latest devices. I usually checked gsmarena 4-5 times a day a year ago until the day that I actually held a phone in my hand that they made a review about. The review was all wrong and the specs page were not even the same as the maker (of the phone). It's a good site, for phone's photos. I also used iPhone 4 before it even hit the market in Romania and gsmarena was useless about it. (we receive phones from makers usually before they hit the market in Europe).
Anyways, we drifted off.. the thing is that XTC Clip was designed for ANY HTC phone so it will work for older and newer HTC's.
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Actually you're both wrong. HTC ChaCha = Status. Regardless of what the software on it is (even if this software does limit some of it's functionality), the hardware is HTC ChaCha (it's like saying that if you put windows mobile on it it's not ChaCha anymore).
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So they both have 1.3mp front-facing cameras, but the cha-cha is being restricted to vga through software??? (status has 1.3mp front camera, while cha-cha has only vga)
The Status only has a vga front facing according to the specs on HTC.com. So nobody has S-Offed the Status yet?
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mosamjc said:
The Status only has a vga front facing according to the specs on HTC.com. So nobody has S-Offed the Status yet?
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Use XTC Clip, lol.
Hi guys
I recently bought a generic unbranded HTC ONE SV from a German website, as I was looking for an LTE-enabled phone that didn't have a screen big as a flatscreen TV.
I have had the phone now for a couple of weeks and I am overall happy with it. The only problem is that it does not seem to get any LTE action. My operator (Tele2 Sweden) assures me my sim card is enabled for 4G and I live in the center of a city with excellent 4G coverage. Yet, my phone shows an H at best (haven't actually ever seen even an H+).
Digging around this and other forums, I found a few indications that my ONE SV version K2_U (model id PL8013000) might actually not have support for LTE after all.
It seems also all ROM updates currently available are for the K2_UL model, including the one for JB (I have tried to flash these to my device after unlocking/rooting/s-offing it, but never actually managed to succeed with it, while I can flash and reflash the stock ROM for the k2_u version)
TBH I am quite confused: all HTC websites and reviews refer to the ONE SV as an LTE enabled phone, and I cannot find any official reference to the fact that there might be a version of this phone without LTE... So I wonder if maybe I am doing something wrong, or if maybe there is a software lock that has disabled LTE on my phone and that I can fix.
Or have I simply been screwed?
With the Easter holidays I'll have to wait until Tuesday to be able to call HTC... so if in the meantime anybody has any idea I would really appreciate it
There seems to be a lot of K2_U, non-LTE, in the US. You can have a look on the One SV root thread you'll find some.
In fact, in germany the LTE version is ONLY sold by operators (O2, Vodafone, Telekom).
All others come without LTE.
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In fact, in germany the LTE version is ONLY sold by operators (O2, Vodafone, Telekom).
All others come without LTE.
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You'd think HTC would mention that on their website though... I am not upset about them selling a non-LTE version of the phone, I am outraged by the fact that they don't bother informing consumers that a phone advertised as LTE also happens to have a non-LTE version... I have also contacted them trough the htc.com website, but they did not bother to answer either.
If I had more time to waste on this I'd probably complain with the German consumer protection authorities, but TBH I have learned my lesson and this is the last HTC I buy
Thanks for your replies guys!
What does LTE means? I currently have old.splatterhands non-LTE stock rom installed for my HTC One SV. But for unknown reason, WiFi and radio connection are very weak.
LTE is fast, mobile internet.
old.splatterhand said:
LTE is fast, mobile internet.
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How do I know if I have a LTE k2u device?
esp7 said:
How do I know if I have a LTE k2u device?
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You have the stock back/battery cover on the phone?
When you have a phone with LTE, it should be written on the backcover (4G LTE, or something like that).
If there is only written beatsaudio, you have non-LTE.
Thanks - non-LTE however
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Thanks - non-LTE however
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Seems you are rooted, so you can try this: Saturn III
Planning to buy a new Mi4 from kijiji. Wondering whether it supports LTE bands in Canada? I;'m with telus
Short answer. No, not yet.
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Short answer. No, not yet.
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OK.Thanks
Is this a software issue or the LTE version is a different hardware in the future? In other words, if i buy the mi4 now, will i be able to get LTE when its available?
Sadly it seems to be a hardware limitation. Xiaomi was smart when they made the phone and only have it what it needed unlike some companies that overlook the small things and pay in the end.
yes it does not. as no opomart and other sites are selling FDD-LTE version which 1700/2100 works perfect with ATT / T-Mobile in US
4G:FDD-LTE 1800(B3)/2100(B1)MHz
This may seem far fetched but I'll ask anyway. Is there a way to change the hardware frequencies set within the phone to match the connectivity frequencies that's in your area?
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This may seem far fetched but I'll ask anyway. Is there a way to change the hardware frequencies set within the phone to match the connectivity frequencies that's in your area?
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In theory, the chip should support them. It would be a matter of writing the specific band values into your phones memory (NV). However, this pre-supposes that the phone could be modified on that level to begin with, which is doubtful.
You would need:
Unlock/root
Custom rom
Custom kernel
QPST (for editing)
QXDM (write enabling)
access to switch usb diagnostic mode
The majority of the work would be getting around MIUI and Qualcomm's restrictions they implement in their code. While not impossible, as you can see, the changes required aren't necessarily for the faint of heart. I suppose one upside would be the phone doesn't cost an arm and a leg, so if you wound up with a brick, you might have an easier time bouncing back from the loss.
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In theory, the chip should support them. It would be a matter of writing the specific band values into your phones memory (NV). However, this pre-supposes that the phone could be modified on that level to begin with, which is doubtful.
You would need:
Unlock/root
Custom rom
Custom kernel
QPST (for editing)
QXDM (write enabling)
access to switch usb diagnostic mode
The majority of the work would be getting around MIUI and Qualcomm's restrictions they implement in their code. While not impossible, as you can see, the changes required aren't necessarily for the faint of heart. I suppose one upside would be the phone doesn't cost an arm and a leg, so if you wound up with a brick, you might have an easier time bouncing back from the loss.
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Thanks for the insight bro. You really broke down into detail what was needed to be done. Was scrolling around and found this thread http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2871269. Would like your opinion on it. It's for unlocking LTE as well.
I think they released the LTE-FDD version , seach for it!
already got one with LTE...its out already
Hi, I don't know how helpful this is for you but I have bought two from China for myself and my wife. Although I have not tried on the MIUI OS, I have flashed AOSP on to both phones and they both work at least on O2 and EE. I am receive 4G on my EE Mi4, however my wife does not have a 4G sim so can not confirm hers but she does receive 3G signals.
O2s 4G sim did not receive 4G signals on my Mi4 though (reason for me switching)
Hope this helps you
Only bands 1, 3, 41
Sorry, I'm not too much in the know, but I heard there is some sort of new update coming in the near future that will improve various aspects of the S7 like better in building reception etc.
So what do I need to be on the look out for? This deal from Target is pretty fair on top of my 5% Red Card bonus. Would this phone work with whatever update Tmo pushes out to receive the full benefits vs a tmobile puchased S7?
http://www.target.com/p/unlocked-samsung-galaxy-s7-edge-g930f-32gb-gsm-black/-/A-51032209
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Nope, your link is for the international version, which won't get VoLTE, wifi calling, or updates. You want either the 930T or 930u. Anything else won't work properly.
Edit for clarification - The upcoming changes for the S7 are for more advanced LTE functionality. The extended range/building penetration are already in place, it's Band 12 LTE. The international version you linked will receive data on this band, but you CANNOT call/sms on it, as it's a data only band. The only calling/SMS that can be done on it would be on VoLTE, which you will not have.
So yeah, you'd be getting a crippled phone with none of the advantages you want.
In the last week, the rom maker below got a Note 7 port working on a 930f with T-mobile VOLTE + wifi calling + video calling. Assuming you root and want custom roms, there is an viable option in the international model.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/s7-edge/development/rom-n7-rom-port-romcontrol-t3430358
That being said for the OP:
Why target, swappa is $200 less on either model.
The international model has no US warranty.
The international model is faster with a better battery life but is slighltly weaker playing games: having both for now, completely stock, the 930f is slightly faster feeling. On the other hand, it is like night and day to compare a custom/tweaked rom/kernel of a 930F to a engineering bootloader based 930t's stock rooted rom (the custom roms seem to remove video calls)
The US model (if root matters) has a root solution that can be negated in future builds.
The international model's root trips knox, unlike the US version, reducing the resale value.
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Nope, your link is for the international version, which won't get VoLTE, wifi calling, or updates. You want either the 930T or 930u. Anything else won't work properly.
Edit for clarification - The upcoming changes for the S7 are for more advanced LTE functionality. The extended range/building penetration are already in place, it's Band 12 LTE. The international version you linked will receive data on this band, but you CANNOT call/sms on it, as it's a data only band. The only calling/SMS that can be done on it would be on VoLTE, which you will not have.
So yeah, you'd be getting a crippled phone with none of the advantages you want.
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