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1x today has taught me how much I don’t care about 4G

Aside from being pissed by the 1x at the top of the screen I was able to do everything I wanted to do. Sent text messages all day on Google Talk and Skype, downloaded the Amazon free app of the day (business calendar) in about 40 seconds. Updated a few other apps in about a min., received and responded to multiple emails all day long, uploaded a pic to facebook with no problems, And made calls... All on 1x!
Well there is a much bigger difference between 1x and 3G than there is between 3G and 4G…. So why would I ever sacrifice battery life on this device for that difference?
Crazy!
Unless you are using your phone for internet access for your PC via tether… I think everyone is just wasting battery life for nothing.

Then you bought the wrong phone. Better luck next time.
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Dbagjones said:
Then you bought the wrong phone. Better luck next time.
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I did not buy the wrong phone at all!! I love the speed of the phone for running the apps. I love the screen, the 8MP cam, the great front facing cam. I bought this phone because it could run the Android OS very fast and smooth. Not at all for 4G.
Are you telling me you bought this phone just for the 4G???? If that’s the case I think I bought the phone for much better reasons than you did!

HawkStream said:
I did not buy the wrong phone at all!! I love the speed of the phone for running the apps. I love the screen, the 8MP cam, the great front facing cam. I bought this phone because it could run the Android OS very fast and smooth. Not at all for 4G.
Are you telling me you bought this phone just for the 4G???? If that’s the case I think I bought the phone for much better reasons than you did!
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Love How Stable and Hackable HTC Phones are. Good Size screen, More Ram for Multi Tasking, Front Camera, Kickstand. This thing is a Beast Overclocked. Im Not in a 4g City bit when I go out of town (Which I do Often) 4G Is just Icing on the Cake.

HawkStream said:
I did not buy the wrong phone at all!! I love the speed of the phone for running the apps. I love the screen, the 8MP cam, the great front facing cam. I bought this phone because it could run the Android OS very fast and smooth. Not at all for 4G.
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There are plenty of better phones out there as far as performance and features go. The Thunderbolt is an inefficient beast; in the class of smartphones, it's metaphorically similar to the 17" Desktop Replacement laptop. In other words, it's big, heavy, and very power-hungry, relative to other members of its device class.
If you had waited until the May or June launch of the Samsung phones with the Tegra 2 dual core SoC with Nvidia graphics, that thing will absolutely blow your socks off, and probably also ship with Android 2.3 or 2.4 if it's out by then. Why buy a phone still using the old PowerVR SGX core if you are crazy about graphics performance, when the SGX is just a few months away from being eclipsed by Tegra 2 phones?
HawkStream said:
Are you telling me you bought this phone just for the 4G???? If that’s the case I think I bought the phone for much better reasons than you did!
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It's the first LTE smartphone to market. Ever. Period. In the whole world. And you're telling me you bought it because it's fast? Pssh -- as far as the non-networked components go, it's basically no better than a Droid 2. It's the last model to use 2009-2010 era SoC, and the only reason it doesn't use something more cutting-edge is because the brand new chips are still being debugged and tested, and they needed a phone out in March.
The Thunderbolt has a separate radio chip for the CDMA/EvDO and the LTE. This is highly suboptimal from both a power standpoint and size/weight. Qualcomm says they can probably have chips available by early 2012 that offer both traditional CDMA, voice, and LTE in a single integrated circuit, which would also probably use smaller fabrication process technology for even less power consumption and weight. The Thunderbolt is a "hack" as far as smartphones are concerned; it's very unusual for any kind of phone to have two radios in it (even if it supports more than one radio protocol, they're usually supported together on a single chip). The phone was rushed, hence why they couldn't wait for Qualcomm to get their integrated LTE+CDMA chip together.
You can rip the Thunderbolt apart this way by looking under the hood and pointing out its many limitations and flaws. The only thing that stands out -- the only killer feature that sets this apart from the Droid 2 or any other 2010 Android-based 3G phone -- is the LTE. If not for the LTE, the Thunderbolt is just a power-hungry, heavy version of the Droid 2 (or Droid X, I guess, since it lacks a hardware keyboard too).
Since Verizon locks you in to a two year contract, you should really be planning ahead a bit unless you have $600 - $750 to sink on a retail smartphone. If you had waited for just a few more months to get the more killer "core specs" (CPU, GPU, RAM) on the phones coming out in the latter half of 2011, you would be getting the first round of the next generation of the CPU/GPU bump. And since that's what you seem to value (moreso than the bandwidth), that's probably what you should have waited for.
Now you're stuck with a phone (as am I) that will have significantly underpowered specs by the time the two year term is up -- it's entirely possible that new Android apps and games written in Q1 2013 (the last stretch of your 2 year term) will not run at all on your Thunderbolt, or lag so badly that they're unusable, because they are tuned to run on e.g. the Tegra 2 or later dual core platforms.
But I don't play games on my phone, so that doesn't matter to me. The LTE is why I value this phone so much and bought it, and since I don't exercise the CPU/GPU as highly as cellphone gamers, it probably won't matter a lick to me that in early 2013 I won't be able to play Angry Birds 3 on my Thunderbolt. I'll be satisfied that I got a full two years worth of fast LTE service, and that's what's important to me.
So just saying, if you don't care about the extra bandwidth, you made a fairly bad choice. The other aspects of the Thunderbolt are gonna be obsolete pretty quick because the non-network parts of the phone are built around a late 2009 platform, so unless you want to shell out retail when Tegra 2 phones hit, you might come to regret your purchase in about a year.
In comparison to graphics cards, it'd be like buying a Nvidia GTX 280 (supporting DirectX 10.1) a month before the Fermi cards hit the shelves (supporting DirectX 11).

Yeah guys, this was a 4G phone first and foremost. The screen, processor and ram are all average. Actually the screen is already outdated with QHD screens out. Not to mention the phone is a heavy beast with a tiny battery. Don't get me wrong I love the TB, It looks great and is fairly powerful, but the main reason I bought it was to have 4G. Now I can get rid of my cable modem. But to the point of the OP, when not tethering it actually works great with just 1x or 3G
If I didn't care about 4g I would have waited for a dual core, qhd device to come out. I wanted the Bionic which has all of the above, but they keep pushing it out amid massive development problems.

I cant download roms on the fly with Rom Manager, or update CM7-alpha while im out of the house on 1x.. thats really the only thing I saw

allquixotic said:
It's the first LTE smartphone to market. Ever. Period. In the whole world.
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uhm...no. MetroPCS beat Verizon to the punch on that one.

HawkStream said:
Aside from being pissed by the 1x at the top of the screen I was able to do everything I wanted to do. Sent text messages all day on Google Talk and Skype, downloaded the Amazon free app of the day (business calendar) in about 40 seconds. Updated a few other apps in about a min., received and responded to multiple emails all day long, uploaded a pic to facebook with no problems, And made calls... All on 1x!
Well there is a much bigger difference between 1x and 3G than there is between 3G and 4G…. So why would I ever sacrifice battery life on this device for that difference?
Crazy!
Unless you are using your phone for internet access for your PC via tether… I think everyone is just wasting battery life for nothing.
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So sell your Thunderbolt, get a RAZR, it seems that should suit you fine. Plus then you don't have to worry about battery life.
Your post today has taught me how much I don't care about what you say.

1X for a day made me have the exact opposite realization. I live in a 4G area and I am getting so spoiled by the lighting fast speeds (sometimes faster than my home broadband connection). When I had 1X, I couldn't send MMS, browsing the web was painfully slow and it was generally all around a miserable experience.

Wasn't able to steam anything at all. No AudioGalaxy, YouTube, Hulu, other Flash content. Web browsing was ridiculously slow. Downloading and installing updates was painful.
I have missed my LTE. Sorry you don't use your phone to its full capacity but some people do. I'd rather my phone not be limited to the speed of the network. If you're cool with it, congrats.

drumz0rz said:
1X for a day made me have the exact opposite realization. I live in a 4G area and I am getting so spoiled by the lighting fast speeds (sometimes faster than my home broadband connection). When I had 1X, I couldn't send MMS, browsing the web was painfully slow and it was generally all around a miserable experience.
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So agreed! Even when I got it to go onto 3G I still was like "Ughhhhhh!" Yeah, 3G is decent, but 4G is incredible. If >10X faster doesn't make a difference to you, maybe this isn't the phone for you. I noticed the difference all day. Sure, it doesn't take that long to download an app on 3G, maybe 30 seconds to 2 minutes, but you can't tell me that waiting 2 minutes is the same experience as it happening virtually instantly. On my phone, I want things happening quickly. I wanna be able to get it out and get to what I wanted to do quickly so I'm not just standing there waiting on my phone on the sidewalk. I mean, come on, with 4G most things are practically instant -- 3G there's always some waiting. If waiting is something that's okay, maybe conventional ovens are just as good as microwaves and cable internet is just as good as fiber optic, etc.

HawkStream said:
Unless you are using your phone for internet access for your PC via tether… I think everyone is just wasting battery life for nothing.
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Can't tell; is this a troll thread?
Having a 4G thunderbolt without 4G connection was the least enjoyment i've ever got out of this phone.
I've literally been twitching from the withdrawal.
4G is a night and day difference from 3G, no questions asked.

I used Wifi at Home and Work, so I was unimpacted.
And to the one guy with the long story, true this is a 2009-2010 phone, and I ONLY bought it to lock myself into cheap 4G/LTE pricing before it gets out of control and data caps, etc...
...but unless gaming is your thing, the Thunderbolt will do 90-95% of everything you need for at least the next two years. Sure I was holding out for the Galaxy SII, and I will probably sell the TB and buy a Dual Core phone off contract with the money that I make, but that is not even an issue at this point because this phone does EVERYTHING I need.

Eddog4DROID said:
I used Wifi at Home and Work, so I was unimpacted.
And to the one guy with the long story, true this is a 2009-2010 phone, and I ONLY bought it to lock myself into cheap 4G/LTE pricing before it gets out of control and data caps, etc...
...but unless gaming is your thing, the Thunderbolt will do 90-95% of everything you need for at least the next two years. Sure I was holding out for the Galaxy SII, and I will probably sell the TB and buy a Dual Core phone off contract with the money that I make, but that is not even an issue at this point because this phone does EVERYTHING I need.
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I love my TB, i haven't even gotten to use 4G yet and i love it compared to my Eris. I think 3G is fast enough now that I have a phone that can handle using it lol. Also every Android phone will be obsolete after a year, this forum is proof that the hardware cannot keep up with the advancements in technology. I agree with you on selling my TB to get a phone with a Dual Core or a nicer video card but this phone gets me through the day and more using "Mobile Network" only when i need it because you don't need that sh!t on to text or call. Everyone that complains this thing is a heavy beast you are a retard imo, its a F'n phone its in your pocket and you don't feel it 95% of the day. When you hold a phone its usually for just over a minute maximum. If your holding off on the purchase of a phone because of weight you are a dumbass.

WOW at this thread lol espcially wow at the guy who said 1x was fine. I know personally I do tons of stuff that require the internet. Facebook/twitter/youtube/email/browsing. All that sucked on 1x it was like being on 56k I could only do one thing at a time and on top of that it did it slowly. Now my 4G is back I can surf the net pop over to facebook and twitter and still stream music/youtube with out missing a beat. 4G is serious

allquixotic said:
It's the first LTE smartphone to market. Ever. Period. In the whole world.
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Nope...
PJnc284 said:
uhm...no. MetroPCS beat Verizon to the punch on that one.
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+1, this is exactly what I was thinking when I read that post.

Turns out that I did care. My home WiFi happened to crap out the day before. While I did what I could to fix it, it became a lower priority with this phone. D'oh!
As to the larger issue of why buy this phone, I will chime in. Until VZW recently turned on LTE where I live, I thought it was going to be at least a year out. I was wrong. I had planned on buying a Dinc 2, as I loved my Dinc, and it would hold me out until LTE was where I was, and by then i'd have a number of choices.
Why I bought the Tbolt 2 weeks ago: 4G locked in at this price for at least 2 years. Can't predict the future, but this matters to me. Next: developer support. I don't like Moto, and devs really do an amazing job with HTC phones. I worried that the Dinc 2 would get no (or less) love. The LG and Sammy phones may turn out to be great but they are not released yet, and who knows what kind of dev support there will be.
Lastly, the sooner I upgraded (I was sitting on an early upgrade for almost a year), the sooner I can upgrade to the next or next next gen phone.
Phone has a bug or two, but no regrets at all (already rooted), and as I said I had thought my rooted Dinc was awesome.

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[Q] opinions wanted on Nexus/Rezound etc??

I need to buy a new 4G phone soon.
My Wife needs a phone (she does not have data now but wants it) & we don't want to miss the temporary 4G for 2G tiered price deal.
I figured I would buy the Galaxy Nexus if/when it ever comes out. I have both an upgrade available & a couple hundred dollars in credit from VZ.
I will probably buy from BestBuy so I can get the 30 day return/exchange policy. Right now, I have a Charge running 2.3.6 GB, imoseyon 4.0, fuju tweaks, Launcher Pro Plus, coredroid theme etc.etc.etc.
My Charge flies (2400 in Quadrant) & I absolutely LOVE the thing (no lag whatever, not a single FC etc.). With the camera button mod, it is almost the perfect phone IMHO. This makes it tough to decide what to do as I figured I would give my Wife the Charge & buy the GN for myself (the Wife could care less which one she has).
My problem is, my Boss just bought a Rezound & with all the bloatware removed it is an AWESOME phone. I am now tempted to buy that instead of the GN. The Rezound has a jaw-dropping screen with its better rez than the iphone. It is fast as hell (especially after I installed LPP+) & should be rooted sometime in the next few weeks. Not everybody likes it, but I'm no audiophile & I think the beats sound is really a plus for listening to it all day at work.
I am looking for peoples opinion of the Rezound. It already has an extended battery & cover available (I love this with my Charge) & definitely has a few advantages over the GN. I do wish the screen was slightly bigger but it is what it is.
I may just buy the Rezound, & then if I don't like it hopefully by that time the GN will be out & I can swap the two.
Any opinions welcome, good or bad.
~John

In my opinion, go with the Nexus. You'll get constant updates and have more dev support than any other phone. I'm sure the screen will look great too.

KarateExplosion6 said:
You'll get constant updates and have more dev support than any other phone. I'm sure the screen will look great too.
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I know you're right about the constant updates.
I'm not so sure about the screen. I am a little paranoid about a pentile screen, the guy at the desk next to mine has a Razr and I think the screen blows on that phone although I realize the GN is much higher rez.
~John

jmorton10 said:
I know you're right about the constant updates.
I'm not so sure about the screen. I am a little paranoid about a pentile screen, the guy at the desk next to mine has a Razr and I think the screen blows on that phone although I realize the GN is much higher rez.
~John
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Yeah, I haven't had the chance to see the RAZR yet. A buddy of mine is in the market to upgrade from his OG Droid and said the RAZR screen looked bad in person--he's waiting for the Nexus now.
I think you're going to have to do what he's doing, which is waiting for the Nexus to get in stores so he can see and play with one in person.

KarateExplosion6 said:
Yeah, I haven't had the chance to see the RAZR yet. A buddy of mine is in the market to upgrade from his OG Droid and said the RAZR screen looked bad in person--.
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Some people may like the Razr screen, it is quite bright and saturated/colorful.
found this:
http://www.droid-life.com/2011/11/29/screen-comparison-galaxy-nexus-vs-droid-razr-vs-htc-rezound/
The lack of resolution is blatantly obvious to a lot of people (like me) however.
I had a Razr briefly, but hated the screen-lack of a removeable battery etc. (I have really been spoiled by the ridiculously good Charge screen) & passed the Razr on to a coworker. To me, it was really obvious that it was a pentile screen especially on text, straight lines, gradient screens etc etc etc
~John

You shouldn't worry about Pentile on GN as the high resolutions make it near impossible to see the pixels. As for Razr, I've played with the phone at the store, the Pentile is very visible (for me).

KarateExplosion6 said:
In my opinion, go with the Nexus. You'll get constant updates and have more dev support than any other phone. I'm sure the screen will look great too.
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+1 here. I am tired of waiting on OEMs to update software and release source code. (I also don't like any of the OEM UI)
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After some more comparison, I will definitely be waiting on the Nexus.
Comparing my Charge side by side with the Rezound, I just realized how much wider the Charge screen is. I really like the wider screen setup a LOT & the GN has the wider screen config also..
My old DroidX that I absolutely LOVED, had that same tall narrow config. That was really the only thing I didn't like about the X design.
I really like using portrait orientation a lot, & the skinny screen forces you to do a lot more side to side scrolling on internet sites etc. I just like the look of the shorter wider screens also, even if you disregard the functional issue.
~John

+1 for Nexus.
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if not Nexus I'd go with the Rezound... there's not much dev work on it because no s-off yet but the devs are close, also I like the screen and wouldn't mind Sense as an overlay (of course when custom ICS roms come out they'll be stock aosp), if the Nexus release is gonna take much longer or if its really gonna be 750+ off contract I'm just gonna hold out and probably go with the Rezound
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Yeah I'm REALLY considering the Nexus myself. This was the best phone of the original 4G bunch, but the lack of dual core, ram and a higher resolution are leaving much to be desired. I really made up my mind when I saw the review on Phone Arena for the Nexus. I'm getting bored lately of Android in general (just a phase I go through about every 2 years with mobile OSes) and I think ICS would invigorate my desire to not jump back to Apple.
Getting the pure Google experience and knowing all the previous Nexus's have VERY strong communities is just another perk for me. I think the Rezound will turn into a Charge type of community later on in life, with rom releases getting farther and farther apart. Coming from an original Droid, seeing this community dry up hasn't been fun and I havent been able to load a new rom every week lol. It's just getting a bit stale lately for me.

Joebroni said:
Yeah I'm REALLY considering the Nexus myself. This was the best phone of the original 4G bunch, but the lack of dual core, ram and a higher resolution are leaving much to be desired. I really made up my mind when I saw the review on Phone Arena for the Nexus. I'm getting bored lately of Android in general (just a phase I go through about every 2 years with mobile OSes) and I think ICS would invigorate my desire to not jump back to Apple.
Getting the pure Google experience and knowing all the previous Nexus's have VERY strong communities is just another perk for me. I think the Rezound will turn into a Charge type of community later on in life, with rom releases getting farther and farther apart. Coming from an original Droid, seeing this community dry up hasn't been fun and I havent been able to load a new rom every week lol. It's just getting a bit stale lately for me.
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Hey at least the community isn't like Droid x2 or the stratosphere which Verizon markets as "a galaxy s phone"
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Calling Bollocks on the TSMC 28nm Shutdown

Okay, so. I was thinking today, and came to a funny realization.
When did SemiAccurate say that 28nm process production was shut down?
Mid-February.
When was the One X/S/XL announced?
February 29th.
When was the release window?
Within 60 days of the announcement at Mobile World Congress.
NOW. Here's my logic.
HTC is at this point, an extremely large customer of TSMC. They are going to be using tens of thousands of chips they are manufacturing in their phones. Production was "halted" in mid-February. That means it would have been on a long bit before MWC. Being a fairly large customer, I'm relatively sure at some point HTC would have been alerted were there a major production failure. Consequently, HTC wouldn't have announced the 'One' line to be released so soon.
That's my logic, take it how you want, and I may have overlooked something and be completely wrong, but hey. Why not share?

Ohh, I was under the impression that this was a very recent and potentially still occurring shutdown. Where did you read that it was in February. If this is true then yes, we should still see the phone stateside in April-May...which is kind of what I have been saying regardless of the scenario. Early-mid April would be sweet though...I guess we'll see

"So lets analyze and hopefully narrow the possibilities. This is based on what we know about how the processes and technology works, not based on leaks. We will assume that production stopped in mid-February, and all three variants including both high and low power processes, High-K and non-High-K are down. Even if the low power variant of 28nm is still running, it does not affect the analysis below."
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wow...to me that article sounds off the worst...if production hasnt even started again then we might be in trouble...unless they manufactured all the HTC chips for initial shipment before the shutdown which is HIGHLY unlikely. doesn't sound good...I may just grab a note now...

First, before you do that take into account that SemiAccurate is the only site that is even remotely assuming this is true. Every other site in the fabrication world has nothing of it. Even the most popular ones.
The reason I posted this topic was to hopefully dispel the ideas that this is actually true, hence calling bollocks. It would be a HORRIBLE marketing decision for HTC to announce the XL to be released within 60 days of MWC if they knew they could not reach that demand due to the TSMC shutdown.
ALSO.
If there was a shutdown at TSMC, it was because of High-Power processes. These high-power processes are going in graphics cards, like that of Nvidia and AMD. If you're in tune with the computer world, the 7970 from AMD is having problems with rapid degradation. There's a possibility that the problem is only affecting high power processes like that.
Fingers crossed that I'm correct and the TSMC shutdown is invalid or is at least not affecting our phone.

thanks for the clarification...while I am aware of intel's low and high voltage processor differences in the computer world, I did not realize the snapdragon's 28nm chip was on a separate line than some of the other high voltage 28nm processors for other applications. This makes all the sense in the world. Like you said, the fact that there is no official mention of this problem anywhere but a single site has to be an indicator that the the problem is localized and should not affect a wide range of products. I am gonna wait for the HTC press conference, supposedly scheduled for the near future...that should clarify a lot. it's just the "waiting in the dark" part that hurts!

I'm so impatient it literally hurts. I'm stuck on a Palm Pre until the One X comes out and quite honestly, it's the dumbest smartphone i've ever experienced.

Yeah, when is the supposed HTC press conference for the One X anyways? I heard it might be in NY next month? Are there any rumors or evidence to back this up??? I might have to just get the Vivid if the One X takes so long!!??

I don't know any concrete info on that, just the rumors floating around that it is next month in NY.
The only phone that could keep me away from the One X right now is the Note. But I am gonna wait to see the reviews from the international version which be hitting websites any day now...The phone is identical and the performance of the dual core krait will be nearly the same, some even think better. I just want to hear about general battery life, camera, etc etc...

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I don't know any concrete info on that, just the rumors floating around that it is next month in NY.
The only phone that could keep me away from the One X right now is the Note. But I am gonna wait to see the reviews from the international version which be hitting websites any day now...The phone is identical and the performance of the dual core krait will be nearly the same, some even think better. I just want to hear about general battery life, camera, etc etc...
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I've heard a few whispers about it as well. I hope they do have one, and release some hard info, possibly on the effect of the shutdown be it true.
Unless you look at the note, and love the way it feels in your hand, don't get it. It's only going to be antiquated by the One X as soon as you actually pick it up. The S4 and Adreno 225 are miles over the Snapdragon 8255T and Adreno 205 that are in the Note. It's just a bad buy overall at this point unless you're in love with the screen size. Other than the stylus, it's already antiquated technology. As is the GS2 at this point.
Press Conference Info: http://techcrunch.com/2012/03/20/sprint-and-htc-announce-collaboration-event-in-nyc-on-april-4th/

It's very disturbing to see that Sprint and HTC are getting together for an event before AT&T does!

yeah I am gonna read that...maybe because they already announced the ATT version..?
I am one of the few who is actually attracted by the stylus...but alas, you can't have it all- its always the case, and seems especially true with phones. the note should have come with a newer processor and ICS...the only thing holding me back from getting it is the old S3 in it. anyhow, and I will use the car dock with the X a lot and see it being a very very nice device overall. have owned a samsung captivate (said I would never buy samsung again), and now my Motorola Atrix (I love moto). It only makes sense that I try out the other "big" phone manufacturer before I start owning up to some brand loyalty

I owned an HTC Aria, and it was a mediocre, middle of the road crappy tiny android phone. It was well built, it was just not powerful enough for me.
I moved up to a Samsung Captivate, and I loved it, (once getting MIUI on it, I was deeply infatuated).
I don't like motorola honestly, but I haven't extensively used any android phone of theirs.
I wasn't too confident about going back to HTC considering the problems a lot of their flagship phones have, but I have a good feeling about the One X. That could just be my hope talking though.
I write really long winded replies, I apologize.
btdubs, if it weren't for the fact that the stylus is a wacom stylus, I would have no interest, but it seems awesome.

x3phyr said:
I owned an HTC Aria, and it was a mediocre, middle of the road crappy tiny android phone. It was well built, it was just not powerful enough for me.
I moved up to a Samsung Captivate, and I loved it, (once getting MIUI on it, I was deeply infatuated).
I don't like motorola honestly, but I haven't extensively used any android phone of theirs.
I wasn't too confident about going back to HTC considering the problems a lot of their flagship phones have, but I have a good feeling about the One X. That could just be my hope talking though.
I write really long winded replies, I apologize.
btdubs, if it weren't for the fact that the stylus is a wacom stylus, I would have no interest, but it seems awesome.
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The Inspire was fantastic, only real issue is the small battery and the GPS not being insanely accurate and quick. The Vivid was good, but came too late and the phone doesn't really have a lot of development.

I think my issue is the way that sense bogged down the whole experience. Give me a One XL with stock ICS and holy crap you've got a dead ringer for my favorite phone ever.

x3phyr said:
I think my issue is the way that sense bogged down the whole experience. Give me a One XL with stock ICS and holy crap you've got a dead ringer for my favorite phone ever.
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I'm guessing the One XL will be rootable/flashable on day one if HTC made sure to get their HTCDev unlocks together at launch.

Yeah, it's already got a root method out and such but then again any phone with an unlocked bootloader can be rooted.

junodragon said:
It's very disturbing to see that Sprint and HTC are getting together for an event before AT&T does!
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You should put into consideration that when they announced the htc one series at the event and said the phone will be release globally in April and showed AT&T and tmobile being the only USA carriers, that they do need there own release event.

I dont care about Sprint I care about at&t

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Yeah, it's already got a root method out and such but then again any phone with an unlocked bootloader can be rooted.
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Dude, we can't tell people enough. It is only a temp root at this point.
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For all of us coming from the Rezound..HTCs new Quadcore

If this thing is real, wow.... hope I can pull 500 for the s3 on ebay
http://www.techradar.com/us/news/ph...e-1080p-smartphone-leaked-for-verizon-1088987
updated info (09-07)
http://www.phonearena.com/news/HTCs-monster-1080p-mystery-device-gets-Bluetooth-certified_id34222
and another (09-04)
http://www.cnet.com/8301-17918_1-57505476-85/leaked-htc-phone-could-flaunt-1080p-hd-display/
A new HTC smartphone has been revealed via GLBenchmark, a well-known site for device benchmarking.
The mystery device appears to be headed to Verizon to connect with the carrier's 4G LTE network.
More importantly, it packs a full-HD 1080p display and a new quad-core Snapdragon CPU capable of speeds that have never been achieved by the existing S4.
What is the DLX?
According to the GLBenchmark report, the new HTC phone could carry the code name "DLX."
Based on its model number HTC6435, though, it's likely to be a successor to the Verizon HTC Rezound model number HTC6425.
The Rezound was one of the first HTC smartphones with an HD display, so a follow-up with a full 1080p screen would be appropriate.
In fact, the HTC DLX (if that is its name) is equipped with a 1794x1080 display that - even if it includes space for on-screen buttons like other Android devices - could prove dazzling.
Besides the impressive screen resolution, the HTC DLX is powered by a quad core Snapdragon S4 MSM8960 chip with an Adreno 320 GPU, clocking in at 1.5 GHz, but this doesn't appear to be the standard S4 present in many other smartphones.
One source speculates that the new HTC Verizon phone could even be equipped with the new S4 MSM8960T chip due to the considerable power it displayed in Benchmark tests.
In the Egypt off-screen and pro off-screen tests, it scored well over 100 (121.1 and 110.5 FPS respectively), numbers that other phones can't come close to.
The new HTC DLX for Verizon and possible Rezound successor runs Android 4.0.4, according to the benchmark reports, and along with the gorgeous screen and impressive quad-core processor, those are all the known details.
Watch out for more updates on the mystery HTC Verizon phone as the companies prepare to reveal whatever it is.
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That's the S4 Pro. There's always something better coming, if you're happy with your phone there's no reason to sell it

ECrispy said:
That's the S4 Pro. There's always something better coming, if you're happy with your phone there's no reason to sell it
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Im always getting the newest phone. I love the s3, but im one of those "got to have the newest phone" guys. I find that its much easier to keep on top of the current tech if you are constantly switching out devices, of you wait a year, or 2 years, your device is worth nothing, and upgrading is expensive. I almost always make money when changing phones out.. so. ya.
anyway,
you are saying that article is about the galaxy s4? not the HTC?
nm, google is my friend.

Ironically, I'm kinda with you on that one. I usually have about a 3-6 month turn around on my phones. I don't mind having middle of the line or bottom of the line, but having SECOND frome top just makes me want the one on top that much more.

If that bootloader gets unlocked and the battery doesn't suck... I'll bite. This gs3 was a penny for me.
GS3

blestsol said:
If that bootloader gets unlocked and the battery doesn't suck... I'll bite.
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I agree 100%

If it's unlocked s3 is gone in a heartbeat!!! Sense and quad core speed and hopefully 2 gb of ram this thing will blow s3 out of water!!
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I'm done with HTC phones. Never again. And I'm sick of having the newest toy. The GS3 with CM10 is the happiest I've ever been using a phone.

Htc needs to step up their overall build quality and batteries before ill consider another one of their phones.
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Chyrux said:
Htc needs to step up their overall build quality and batteries before ill consider another one of their phones.
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Really? HTC phones have always seemed much more solid devices to me. The s3 is plastic thin and cheap feeling. (it doesn't look cheap, just feels like it) the rezound feels like a solid chunk of phone.
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Serinety said:
Really? HTC phones have always seemed much more solid devices to me. The s3 is plastic thin and cheap feeling. (it doesn't look cheap, just feels like it) the rezound feels like a solid chunk of phone.
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Yeah, it's a chunk of phone. As in, a brick. With a creaky plastic battery door, godawful flush buttons, dismal battery life, and a terrible update track record. Nice screen and camera though. I've owned 4 HTC phones (HTC Touch, Eris, Thunderbolt, Rezound) and they've all had certain advantages, and they've all had such enormous problems that I'm just not interested anymore--HTC is off the trusted list until they get their sh*t together with updates and kernel sources. And Sense just straight-up sucks. I don't love Touchwiz either, but at least it's footprint isn't so heavy.

tekhna said:
Yeah, it's a chunk of phone. As in, a brick. With a creaky plastic battery door, godawful flush buttons, dismal battery life, and a terrible update track record. Nice screen and camera though. I've owned 4 HTC phones (HTC Touch, Eris, Thunderbolt, Rezound) and they've all had certain advantages, and they've all had such enormous problems that I'm just not interested anymore--HTC is off the trusted list until they get their sh*t together with updates and kernel sources. And Sense just straight-up sucks. I don't love Touchwiz either, but at least it's footprint isn't so heavy.
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Ya, there seem to be people on both sides. much like ford vs chevy. I personally think the build quality of HTC is incredible, i love the flush buttons, the red glow, seemed like a very fine and quality slab of technology. I think sense is amazing, sense 4.5 is incredible. The radios on HTC phones are top notch, my wife still has her rezound and she always has 4g where I don't. Our house has very poor 4g service, my s3 cannot hold a data connection at all. We use our phones to tether our laptops (we dont pay for cable.. ) and after switching from the rezound to the s3, I can no longer tether reliably. When its getting its 1 bar of 4g, it works fine, but after a few min it drops to 3g or 1x or nothing at all, I spend more time fiddling with airplane mode to try and get 4g back then I do getting any work done. So I have had to use her phones wifi tether to get anything important done.
The GPS on the s3 works kinda. We were in San Francisco a few weeks ago, I have a mount on my dash that holds my phone (not a dock, just an adjustable mount) and my phone is always in it for navigation. We had to swap phones because the s3 kept dropping the gps lock, and telling me to turn on streets that were either not near me, or in the wrong direction because the phone though I was pointing a differnt direction than I was, or that I was not moving when I was. Put her rezound in there and it worked flawlessly, even on the lower deck of the bay bridge.
Don't get me wrong, I think the s3 is a great device, (which is why I own one) But I also switch phones A LOT. I have had almost every flagship device on VZW. My experience overall with quality and reliability have always been HTC, where I think samsung always wins in the sexiness department.
At the end of the day, I jsut want my phone to work when I need it to work, being in a big city and needing to get from point A to point B, and having your 600 dollar device fail to provide that basic functionality in a reliable manner is something I have come to expect from Samsung.
I have had the all of the major Samsung devices on VZW, and all of the HTC phones. My opinion is based on using those phones every day while I had them.. just this last year alone (since sep last year) I have had the incredible 2, droid charge, rezound, nexus, and s3, and soon the new HTC.. I am the only one I know who gets a new phone ever 2 months or so

Isn't that artical quite a bit old? If we haven't seen anything more current about it i doubt its real. Either way there is no way i could afford to upgrade again.

fr8cture said:
Isn't that artical quite a bit old? If we haven't seen anything more current about it i doubt its real. Either way there is no way i could afford to upgrade again.
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ya it is..
here ya go!
http://www.phonearena.com/news/HTCs-monster-1080p-mystery-device-gets-Bluetooth-certified_id34222

After having burned through 16 replacement rezounds I think I'll stick with Samsung for a while...
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tynman11 said:
After having burned through 16 replacement rezounds I think I'll stick with Samsung for a while...
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That sucks.. Depending on when you got the phone and when you got the s3.. Isn't that 1 phone every week? Factor in shipping time.. You would have had to be calling to get a replacement every 4 to 5 days since you purchased the original phone..
I smell bs
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Serinety said:
That sucks.. Depending on when you got the phone and when you got the s3.. Isn't that 1 phone every week? Factor in shipping time.. You would have had to be calling to get a replacement every 4 to 5 days since you purchased the original phone..
I smell bs
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I had like 6. And how can you factor in anything if you don't know his circumstances? I had two phones that had issues right away. from them and they overnight my phones to me every time.
GS3

I prefer samsung and I'm so happy with the SIII, most probably i'll just wait till the S IV is out

True story, but it was two of my lines that both had rezounds. I bought them both back in November and had nonstop issues out the gate. Eventually I was able to convince Verizon to upgrade me to the gs3 though.
Edit: when I say I... I really mean my wife! I LOL
Here's my thread on it if you want more detail.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1833875
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Ive always been a huge fan of Motorola phones. I got a Fascinate for my mom, but kept it till my Droid X came in. Samsung impressed me back then. I took a leap of faith on the S3 and I'm loving every minute of it. But with HTCs piss poor track record *ahem Thunderbolt, Rezound* pre-ordering that would be like jumping off a cliff. I'm still waiting for Moto's next big thing, but as good as the S3 has been... I might give the Moto to mommy

[Q] thinking about getting the razr hd .

i currently have a droid x2. and while i would like to say that i could wait until the x-phone comes out, or the htc one comes out. i just cant stand having a non-functional phone anymore.
my question is:
do you guys think this phone is worth upgrading to ?
does development seem to be growing since unlock? ( does future development seem likely?) ( 5.0+ ? )
should i consider going with a galaxy device? (s3 or s4) i am kind of indifferent towards these plasticy devices.
i like motorola a lot. their build quality is fantastic. but i am not sure how i feel about a non removable battery (essentially limiting the life of the phone) , or the slightly outdated specs.
just looking for some users two cents on the topic. thanks guys.

It's a great phone and if your worried about battery get the maxx version.
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deeje00 said:
it's a great phone and if your worried about battery get the maxx version.
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+1000000000000000

I love this phone....battery life of course is phenomenal and I've yet to hear of anyone's battery crapping out on them. I've had mine now for several months and I think I've used my car charger maybe once. And thats only because I didnt charge my phone the night before.
The whole S4 oct-core plasticky phone's are outright redonkulous. The 1.5 ghz dual core is all you really need.
As far as development, since the unlock, it's skyrocketed. And its just in its infancy. Hashcode already has a new Kernel up for review as we speak. Once Cynaogenmod approves, we'll get official support and the development will be on par with the rest of the other top tier devices.
This board is just the tip of the iceberg. Check out www.droidrzr.com for more...

I've owned many a phone, from the first Android with the G1 to the RAZR HD and I have honestly never had a more fast, stable and force close free phone. This device is truly amazing and the battery life is flipping incredible. My wife has an S3 and it's okay but I would definitely rather own this one over that.
Development has exploded, as of right now I am running the following Rom. Perfection... http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2293262
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legend221 said:
I've owned many a phone, from the first Android with the G1 to the RAZR HD and I have honestly never had a more fast, stable and force close free phone. This device is truly amazing and the battery life is flipping incredible. My wife has an S3 and it's okay but I would definitely rather own this one over that.
Development has exploded, as of right now I am running the following Rom. Perfection... http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2293262
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thank you sir. ! this helped a lot. its good to hear from someone who has seen both phones firsthand.
do you ever feel like the one gig of ram is not enough?

Lorenzo VonMatterhorn said:
thank you sir. ! this helped a lot. its good to hear from someone who has seen both phones firsthand.
do you ever feel like the one gig of ram is not enough?
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You're welcome mate. The 1 GB of Ram is more than enough for my needs. I can have a lot of different apps running and never notice it sluggish or falling behind. I've seen a article or two mentioning that the camera isn't all that great and I can agree just a bit.
Only negatives are the non removable battery and the camera quality. All else is top notch.
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Similar decision
I figured I'd post this for anybody else considering the RAZR HD.
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I first used the original DX for two years before switching to the HD.
Here's my opinion:
Pros:
- Great battery. HD is good. MAXX is unbelievable
- Comfortable to use. Not too large, not too small, and a pleasure to operate.
- Removable storage
Cons:
- VERIZON. nuff said
- RAM used up fairly quickly.
- No removable battery (bad)
- NFC works fine, but the big V won't allow its customers to use Wallet
- Sound is meh.
- No OFFICIAL Cyanogenmod 10.1
- Unlocked bootloader = AP Fastboot EVERY power down AND you mustn't allow the battery to die with an unlocked bootloader.
I certainly love my HD more than the DX, but unless the X phone is amazing, I'm leaving Motorola.

I never see the fastboot screen unless I do it on purpose. And I've had my phone die quite a few times with no issues..
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deeje00 said:
I never see the fastboot screen unless I do it on purpose. And I've had my phone die quite a few times with no issues..
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Ya? What are they talking about. Never seen that either.
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I must say that I truly love this phone. seems snappy and honestly no issues. I am going to venture into flashing my first ROM tonight when I get off of work. I had a gnex, which had a ton of support. I didn't like it so I traded it in for the rezound. It had way less support, but the devs were awesome! I bought this phone on CL and I must say it has even less development. That is my only concern about this phone. I would hope that the unlocked boot loader would bring on more devs, but coming from an OG, to the X, it appears the devs are not feeling the moto love.. If I had the money Id buy my favorite devs this phone. I think they would love it..

ushallneverknow said:
- Unlocked bootloader = AP Fastboot EVERY power down AND you mustn't allow the battery to die with an unlocked bootloader.
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Try This
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=42272243&postcount=1
AP Fastboot every time can either be a Sticky Bit error (from not tweaking a fastboot's xml file before flashing with RSD) or just a bad flash somewhere in general. Ensure you're using the snapdragon fastboots located in Mattlgroffs section on the Batakang FTP whenever you're doing any kind of fastboot flashing on any RAZR QCOM phone -- Atrix HD, all RAZR HD variants, both Phonton Q 4G LTE's.

Reality check...
OK, so I've been through a LOT of Android devices, and this one has some poo that goes along with it (as many others have).
1. The radios have become worse over the generations. While LTE is technically faster now on this device, I had WAY more coverage on my POS Revolution, but this device smokes the Galaxy Nexus for LTE coverage hands down (SGN is a joke as an LTE device).
2. Phone is mediocre. This is where the SGN showed what it was supposed to really sound like on a phone. On a call to my dad, he stated in my car that it sounded like I was in a quiet room by myself. He definitely doesn't say that with this phone.
3. Gaming. This one irritates me the most. Every few minutes there is lag. Sometimes it's short lag, sometimes you drop to 5fps for 6-7 seconds. Try Subway Surfers - you'll want to chuck the phone at the wall. I'm guessing this is an IO issue as I saw this in the TF300, and whatever CleanROM did for the TF300, it made the term "buttery smooth" no longer tongue and cheek. I'd give anything (except stability and features) to see that on this phone.
4. ROMs - I can't comment on this one, but I've been following the threads for a while now, and there's still some dealbreaker trade-offs going on - hopefully we'll see less of that as time goes on (great improvements over just the past few weeks). I've been waiting for the right time to make the move.
5. Tethering - Interesting that less people have seem interested in this problem, but as an unlimited user, I have found NO possible way around VZW. I'm rooted and have tried WiFi tether in the configurations people have suggested in multiple forums with no luck. I've tried the SQL hacks, I've tried other programs, I've tried WFT 3.2b, I've tried every configuration you can think of. The best I have had was a connection, but no internet. Every thread suggests something, but from my experience, nothing works.
6. A little lag in Nova Launcher when waking up and switching between screens.
7. VZW and Motorola seem more interested in blocking the devs from cleaning up Moto's mess than fixing their own crap. With the Ultra coming out, I figure that they'll block it from devs the best they can with a few more updates, then jump ship to create a shinier turd and repeat the cycle.
8. Browsing is still slow, even on WiFi, but show me a phone where this isn't true?
The pros?
1. Battery life. This is hands down the best phone I've had for battery, and it's only the HD, not the Maxx.
2. Better LTE than an SGN? LOL...
3. Depending on your usage, it's a decent phone I guess. It's ok in between downright irritating lagging for games(laugh), the WiFi works, albeit a little slow in areas, it's average as a phone, and if you're just interested in checking your e-mail and doing navigation, it's not bad.
4. Decent built in storage space stock.
5. Pretty good sound - no complaints on the music front.
Just don't EXPECT tethering, or a decent, lag-free gaming experience.
I either have a knack for choosing bad phones, or Android just STILL isn't there in the phone arena yet, even with the greater specs. If the former is true, I wouldn't follow my devices (minus the TF300 - that was excellent with CleanROM).
I paid in cash, and if I had to do it all over again, I have no idea what I'd do... I'm starting to believe that the big V along with these manufacturers, they are just slapping coats of wax on turds, then high tailing off to put the next, bigger, and shinier turd in front of people. There's no pride put into the devices past the marketing strategy. I'm never going Apple, MS is still hard to take seriously, and Android? Maybe I'm just really bad at choosing phones.
Edit: as an aside, my dad loves his (late 50s), but he doesn't game or care about tethering (with me, it's not often as well, but when I do, I expect it to work well). For him, it is mostly just navi, e-mail, and on rare occasions, browsing.
Edit 2: why do we not see more reviews like this instead of "omg it's the bestest octacore beast with terapixel camera that makes poking your friends on FaceBook a breeze?" I think we need "pro" reviewers at well known sites to dig a little deeper, and actually use devices as hard-core daily drivers for a week or so before passing judgement.

I tether just fine using easy tether pro. Sure it's not wireless but it's an easy way to get Internet on my netbook once in a blue moon. Worked just fine before I rooted.
I don't really disagree with anything from the previous entry. You would think motorola mobility's acquisition would have significantly changed things for the better. All I saw was a loss of webtop support. And wow going from the support of the galaxy nexus forums to these was a bit of an adjustment.
I watched a video today at android central regarding specs. Why they become so important. You don't see the issue with apple or windows phone. Yes there's fewer devices. More options should cause a healthy competition and I think we're getting there.
I do love the battery life on this phone. It's the sole reason I have it. I do also appreciate that there aren't tons of issues with the display and having to deal with worrying about the quality of a replacement device. Nobody wants a phone they can't rely on or enjoy. I just think it's funny how my galaxy nexus had all the features a year ago and I'm just finally starting to have friends and acquaintances ask me or brag to me about them.
I do think the X phone and its customizable aspects are great for certain users. But look how apple sells the iPhone. They focus on a feature like its camera. Interesting stuff.
Maybe android needs a figurehead to blatantly lie about her/his health to the public and get backdated stock options.
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I do find it unsettling that technology advances so quickly that a device is much less popular in 6 months or a year. I feel this way especially because most people are in a contract for two years and are stuck with the device.
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At least with a computer, you can upgrade it. Give it a new display, video card, max out the ram and it's like Christmas. Perhaps one day technology will permit the majority of smartphones to not only expand their storage space, but also easily enhance the hardware.
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