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"Looks like Google wasn’t the only one getting a huge acquisition today. While they were off buying MotorolaMobility today Samsung was busy hiring yours truly — Steve Kondik (aka Cyanogen himself)."
http://androidcommunity.com/samsung-mobile-hires-steve-cyanogen-kondik-20110815/
Wonder what this is going to mean for future development for CM roms.
Why would it mean anything? Do you really think Cyanogenmod is his day job? He'll keep working on it in his spare time, like he has since day 1.
Of course, even if Cyanogen had to drop out completely, CM has a whole team of people behind it, not just him.
I know it's not his day job, but it may be a conflict of interest with his new one.
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I know it's not his day job, but it may be a conflict of interest with his new one.
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Like what if they try to tell him he can't develop for other phones? Hmm...bad thoughts.
Id like to say this is a good thing for the future of CM and modding in general, but I have a bad feeling about it.
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Why would it mean anything? Do you really think Cyanogenmod is his day job? He'll keep working on it in his spare time, like he has since day 1.
Of course, even if Cyanogen had to drop out completely, CM has a whole team of people behind it, not just him.
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If you think for one second Samsung is going to allow him to work on CM then your smoking some crazy ****.
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If you think for one second Samsung is going to allow him to work on CM then your smoking some crazy ****.
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Why? Cm7 and custom roms in general are used by a tiny percentage if the phone-buying population. It's difficult to think about, but a good 95% of people that own android phones have no idea what rooting is, will never update the operating system even if an ota us pushed, and possibly don't even know their phone its android. All they know is that their phone is T-Mobile and it lets them check facebook. If they're feeling really adventurous, they might even download angry birds.
These are the kinds if people that Samsung makes its money off of.
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you all are thinking in 2D. cyanogen mod will become the "test" environment for samsung. they get free "testing" from tons of users and then they will package and deliver the final product on their phone without having to root. that would make the most sense to me so they should encourage cyanogen mod development.
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you all are thinking in 2D. cyanogen mod will become the "test" environment for samsung. they get free "testing" from tons of users and then they will package and deliver the final product on their phone without having to root. that would make the most sense to me so they should encourage cyanogen mod development.
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you just described a perfect dream.
Well, I know what company I'm buying my next phone from.
Samsung just making the right moves.
I wonder what his title is gonna be....I purpose mobile systems czar.
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ashman3000 said:
I wonder what his title is gonna be....I purpose mobile systems czar.
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Sorry meant propose, silly swype!
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you just described a perfect dream.
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ya that would be nice. i guess we'll see how samsung behaves. they can be like redhat that offers fedora for free but then they have the enterprise version redhat that they sell. or they can be like oracle who bought our sunmicro and then pretty much ended open office. But i guess open office now diverged into libre office so its not all bad. i guess cyanogen will continue one way or another.
CyanogenMod is a self running system. Download AOSP and convert it to specific devices.
Plus he's one Guy out of a whole team. I'm sure he doesn't touch every device. I wonder if he even touched the G2x?
Although I think this is good news. Perhaps they are just working with Samsung to setup an automated system like the CM team have now... nightlies across multiple devices running the latest Google code. Just tweaked here and there.
LG G2x - 2.3.5 MIUI or CM7.1
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This wouldnt be a conflict of interest, he isn't paid by anyone for the work he does with CM. Plus recently samsung has been really buddy-buddy with the development world I highly doubt they would say hey stop working on CM..
Remember Happy Employees = Productive Employees.
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This wouldnt be a conflict of interest, he isn't paid by anyone for the work he does with CM. Plus recently samsung has been really buddy-buddy with the development world I highly doubt they would say hey stop working on CM..
Remember Happy Employees = Productive Employees.
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http://www.wired.com/gadgetlab/2011/08/android-cyanogen-samsung/
"While Kondik says CyanogenMod and Samsung won’t have anything to do with one another, it’s easy to think his background in user interface tweaking and phone customization will influence Samsung’s software design. Especially after the company sent Kondik and a number of other CyanogenMod hackers free Galaxy S2 handsets well before the wide release of the phone."
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CyanogenMod is a self running system. Download AOSP and convert it to specific devices.
Plus he's one Guy out of a whole team. I'm sure he doesn't touch every device. I wonder if he even touched the G2x?
Although I think this is good news. Perhaps they are just working with Samsung to setup an automated system like the CM team have now... nightlies across multiple devices running the latest Google code. Just tweaked here and there.
LG G2x - 2.3.5 MIUI or CM7.1
Asus Transformer - 3.2 Revolver/Custom Kernel
www.SnapSiteAdmins.com
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Cyanogen used to own a g2x.
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Especially after the company sent Kondik and a number of other CyanogenMod hackers free Galaxy S2 handsets well before the wide release of the phone."
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Well that settles it, Samsung clearly cares about its reputation with advanced users, and shutting down cm7 is about as hostile as it's possible to be.
This is going to work out great.
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Too bad Samsung sucks donkey balls as far as support and continued updates go.... Cyanogen was the guy that helped the companies like Samsung because they never provided continued support for their devices. Hopefully Cyanogen helps them improve their quality, but if not I hope he doesn't do it for free on the side.
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Too bad Samsung sucks donkey balls as far as support and continued updates go.... Cyanogen was the guy that helped the companies like Samsung because they never provided continued support for their devices. Hopefully Cyanogen helps them improve their quality, but if not I hope he doesn't do it for free on the side.
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I understand the hate towards Samsung during its Behold II days but since then it has gotten better and better until they became the most innovative Android manufacture recently. Their processors continue to own the competition. Everyone wants to get a hold of their displays and NAND memory and every single itteration of TW has gotten less and less intrusive. Their most recent flagship phone, the GSII has already received numerous updates. I don't know what type of update tine frame you would like our phones to get but quite frankly, all update timeframes suck if you buy a US branded phone. If you want to blame someone for our updates then blame our carriers. Updates over seas come out in a timely fassion. The European Sensation has already received 2 but the US Sensation hasn't received one.
So I ask you. What company in your opinion is good with updates and why?
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So I ask you. What company in your opinion is good with updates and why?
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google, because they actually send them out in a timely fashion.
sorry its the only ones i truest anymore, ill likely only go pure nexus branded phone from here out.
you can thank samsung and lg for that.
I'm a huge aosp fan as I'm sure many of you are. I was wondering if CM9 is the in the pipeline for the Galaxy tab plus. I see both the 10.1 and 8.9 have unofficial roms, I realize the 7+ is built on a different platform but would any devs be willing to take on the task. How do we go about getting ourselves a maintainer?.
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Based on the following, I think there's a chance that we're going to get an official release from CM.
We’ve been hard at work on CM9 since Google released Android 4.0 (Ice Cream Sandwich) into the wild last month, and things are slowly starting to come together. Google did a great job with ICS and added some really awesome features which in some cases replace or deprecate functionality that we had in CM7, so we are reevaluating all of our customizations. A number of devices are already up and running with CM9, and the focus is currently on getting as many devices ready as we can. The first devices (besides the Nexus S, which you can already get from Koush’s section on ROM Manager) that we’ll have ready will mostly likely be devices based on OMAP4, MSM8660/7X30, and Exynos. We also have some Tegra2 tablets in the pipeline such as the Galaxy Tab 10.1 and Asus Transformer. Our goal is to provide continued support to all CM7 devices back to the QSD8250 series of devices such as the Nexus One. I don’t want to make any promises at this time, but that is the plan. And sorry Droid1 owners, we’re dropping support for you. Time to upgrade
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http://www.cyanogenmod.com/blog/cm9-progress-update
Let's keep our hopes up!
Well that's excellent. Thanks for sharing.
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does anyone know if/when an official build is coming?
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does anyone know if/when an official build is coming?
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Not until after the exynos gs II. I'm guessing April or May at the very very earliest.
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not until official ics and we will have cm9. I am sure slayher will be working on cm9 for t989 so we can just flash that with our cm9 kernel.
Since one of the major hurdles for porting CM9 to our and other devices is the closed source nature of certain drivers and the fact ICS hasn't been ported to our chipset, we will have to wait until an official build is released that contains the same or similar hardware. Touchpad CM9 is dealing with the same issue for camera and hardware video accel. at the moment.
ya kinda guessed that. i know xboarder and some other devs are working on just getting ics on the thing. i might be able to get a cm7 or aosp gingerbread kernal goin but i will have to see how busy i am. just wanted to see if anyone had any "insider info"
i will be working on evervolv (aosp ics with a few tweaks)
Well we Da_G has cm7 Kernel and its really good ppl at t989 uses his kernel too. Since we don't have full source for cm7 its has couple bugs!!!!
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ya kinda guessed that. i know xboarder and some other devs are working on just getting ics on the thing. i might be able to get a cm7 or aosp gingerbread kernal goin but i will have to see how busy i am. just wanted to see if anyone had any "insider info"
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here is a quote from the man himself
Currently, you can compile CM9 for a small number of devices- notably the Samsung Galaxy Nexus and Nexus S, the Samsung Galaxy Tab 10.1 (Wi-Fi and T-Mobile versions), the HP Touchpad and Motorola Xoom. The next devices to show up will likely be a whole array of Samsung phones (Exynos chipset), with devices based on the Qualcomm MSM8660 and 7×30 chipsets to follow.
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http://www.cyanogenmod.com/blog
Oh man I just installed CM9 alpha 2 on my Touchpad. It's sooooo freaking awesome. Need this for the skyrocket ASAP!
It's amazing how this plays 720p youtube flawlessly while WebOS lags.
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Oh man I just installed CM9 alpha 2 on my Touchpad. It's sooooo freaking awesome. Need this for the skyrocket ASAP!
It's amazing how this plays 720p youtube flawlessly while WebOS lags.
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cool story.
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does anyone know if/when an official build is coming?
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It's never coming, now don't create any more threads regarding this.
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It's never coming, now don't create any more threads regarding this.
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Been working on that one for a month I see
Hi everyone. I'm pretty new here, and I just wanted to introduce myself. I'm a Cisco guy, but am currently a Data Security Analyst at a "global top 30" bank here in B'ham Alabama. I have been with Android since I traded in my iPhone 3GS for the Moto Droid II back in 2010, and LOVE IT!!! I had an iPhone 4S for a while after I lost my Verizon GNex, and that simply solidified my allegiance to Android. I am currently using the Verizon GSIII (white), running on my self-compiled version of CM10.1 from source, which I have dubbed Firecracker_AA. Firecracker after my gf, yeah yeah I know.... and AA being the build number. Nomenclature as follows: AB, AC, AD, etc being patches/updates, and BA, CA, DA, etc being full builds. I have not posted it anywhere, yet, as I have not finished customizing the original build to my liking. I build on Ubuntu 12.04 installed on my desktop. I've been using Ubuntu since 2006, and absolutely love it!! I definitely recommend trying it, if you're the least bit interested. I am NOT asking, but I was just kind of hoping that a few friendly, experienced dev's out there would through me some helpful do's and don'ts. Just some of the kick-in-the-teeth ones that will save me hours of pain and a few hairs on my head... lol.
If you compile a ROM I would love to test it.
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If you compile a ROM I would love to test it.
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What's up with digging through all these old threads? You must really wanna test something. Haha
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Well I'm new to the root scene. After I rooted I lurked for a long time. I would hate to see a young Dev not make a ROM due to lack of testers. Also since I am not the least bit knowledgeable in making a ROM I feel that testing would be a great way to contribute.
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if you build a rom make sure u get help from cm or something similar
So generally speaking I've always stuck to sister phones of nexus devices. My Samsung Captivate was sorta the "nexus with an SD card" in terms of being identical to the Nexus S, the LG Optimus G was "4g + SD Card Nexus" and I never really had any problems running roms with the latest version of Android. Running nightlys and experimental software wasn't such a big deal because it allowed me to keep my phone up to date long after it would have been updated otherwise.
The general lack of desire to stand behind the stability of a particular version coupled with a general lack of "stable" releases kinda has me jaded when I can just keep rolling with the newest version of Android officially.
It has made me wonder if there are any "stable rolling release" versions of roms? Like "here is the stable rolling release, once a week we push the latest stable versions and features from our nightles over the last month!" Letting those who want to try the newest upgrades immediately have nightly and letting people who want the latest version of android with more tweaks get the version that suits them the most?
Edit: I'm not really asking for specific ROM recommendations so much as ROM trends in general.
Many AOSP roms do this.. We can't recommend Roma to you because those comparisons are against the rules but the ROM I use (slim) has weekly builds and then a monthly stable.
The stable has a code freeze a while before release to extend testing to ensure it is stable but the weeklies are stable too.
The devs also post personal test builds in between the weeklies for those who want to test particular new functions.
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rootSU said:
Many AOSP roms do this.. We can't recommend Roma to you because those comparisons are against the rules but the ROM I use (slim) has weekly builds and then a monthly stable.
The stable has a code freeze a while before release to extend testing to ensure it is stable but the weeklies are stable too.
The devs also post personal test builds in between the weeklies for those who want to test particular new functions.
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My mistake I should have phrased the original thread more carefully and I'll edit it after this.
I was more looking at general ROM trends as opposed to looking for a specific ROM.
Many AOSP roms do this
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Snow_fox said:
So generally speaking I've always stuck to sister phones of nexus devices. My Samsung Captivate was sorta the "nexus with an SD card" in terms of being identical to the Nexus S, the LG Optimus G was "4g + SD Card Nexus" and I never really had any problems running roms with the latest version of Android. Running nightlys and experimental software wasn't such a big deal because it allowed me to keep my phone up to date long after it would have been updated otherwise.
The general lack of desire to stand behind the stability of a particular version coupled with a general lack of "stable" releases kinda has me jaded when I can just keep rolling with the newest version of Android officially.
It has made me wonder if there are any "stable rolling release" versions of roms? Like "here is the stable rolling release, once a week we push the latest stable versions and features from our nightles over the last month!" Letting those who want to try the newest upgrades immediately have nightly and letting people who want the latest version of android with more tweaks get the version that suits them the most?
Edit: I'm not really asking for specific ROM recommendations so much as ROM trends in general.
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your "sister" phones in reality have nothing to do with the nexus, and are not similar. the only similarities they have is using the same kind of cpu, but tweaked completely differently. maybe the same screens as well. all the other internals are completely different. completely different as in your "sister" phones are nothing like their nexus counterparts. so unlike nexus, that i would never call them a "sister" phone.
and there are many completely stable aosp roms out there for the n5.
I really don't see a point in releasing "Stable Releases" with a nexus device. With a Nexus device, the whole source is there for developers and the device is fully unlocked. So most likely, if a dev knows what they are doing, there shouldn't be very many bugs, if any at all. It would be mainly feature additions and whatever else the dev wants to add.
Now with Non Nexus devices, it's a little harder to get EVERYTHING working since the devices are usually locked down and all. So "Stable releases" are kind of a bigger deal.
That's my view on it anyway.
the thing about android is that someone somewhere is finding something new everyday, and waiting around for the release of monthly releases of roms kinda puts the users off("ohh active notifications!" "wow heads up notification" "can i get the <insert fancy OEM specific feature here> in my device?"). I for one, coming from an XMP which had rom's being updated once every two week found it hard in the N5 community where the nightlies where more common.
The thing is you have to keep changing fast and there is always room for improvement so there can never be a "stable" version just short term triumphs.
The thing is, there isn't much need for "stable" builds anymore, the nightlies for most ROMs are really stable and daily driver capable (of course sometimes something doesn't work right here and there, but generally). Some have Delta updates too so you don't need to flash the entire ROM over each nightly, kind of like daily OTAs.
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I really don't see a point in releasing "Stable Releases" with a nexus device. With a Nexus device, the whole source is there for developers and the device is fully unlocked. So most likely, if a dev knows what they are doing, there shouldn't be very many bugs, if any at all. It would be mainly feature additions and whatever else the dev wants to add.
Now with Non Nexus devices, it's a little harder to get EVERYTHING working since the devices are usually locked down and all. So "Stable releases" are kind of a bigger deal.
That's my view on it anyway.
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Out of curiosity is the same true for the Play edition devices? With that said I was thinking about ROMs in general not ROMs specific to devices. I'd also argue (having worked QA professionally) the need to check new features added ranges drastically depending on what you want to add to the device.
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the thing about android is that someone somewhere is finding something new everyday, and waiting around for the release of monthly releases of roms kinda puts the users off("ohh active notifications!" "wow heads up notification" "can i get the <insert fancy OEM specific feature here> in my device?"). I for one, coming from an XMP which had rom's being updated once every two week found it hard in the N5 community where the nightlies where more common.
The thing is you have to keep changing fast and there is always room for improvement so there can never be a "stable" version just short term triumphs.
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As someone who loves new features I find the "additives" as great. I've also found just having the latest version of Android with a working stable feature set is pretty cool too.
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The thing is, there isn't much need for "stable" builds anymore, the nightlies for most ROMs are really stable and daily driver capable (of course sometimes something doesn't work right here and there, but generally). Some have Delta updates too so you don't need to flash the entire ROM over each nightly, kind of like daily OTAs.
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I might look into the Delta Updates. There are a few things I do miss about ROMs such as being able to close all active windows and stuff. I just don't miss how some ROMs basically were just a conglomeration of shoving as much stuff into one ROM as possible regardless of how it ended up.
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Out of curiosity is the same true for the Play edition devices? With that said I was thinking about ROMs in general not ROMs specific to devices. I'd also argue (having worked QA professionally) the need to check new features added ranges drastically depending on what you want to add to the device.
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Google Play Edition devices aren't the same as Nexus devices, they just use a more "AOSP-like" ROM that doesn't have the respective OEM skin on top of it. Not sure if bootloader unlocking process is different (Nexus devices have fastboot oem unlock) but the stock ROM on them still has some parts of the OEM framework underneath (like double tap to wake and duo camera editing on HTC One M8). The Nexus 5 is more popular then Google Play Edition devices and which is why it subsequently has more developer support.
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Google Play Edition devices aren't the same as Nexus devices, they just use a more "AOSP-like" ROM that doesn't have the respective OEM skin on top of it. Not sure if bootloader unlocking process is different (Nexus devices have fastboot oem unlock) but the stock ROM on them still has some parts of the OEM framework underneath (like double tap to wake and duo camera editing on HTC One M8). The Nexus 5 is more popular then Google Play Edition devices and which is why it subsequently has more developer support.
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This makes sense. I didn't know if the Play Edition devices still had OEM fragments or if they were as free as the Nexus series.
Heavy oem frameworks
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To be fair, there was a pretty significant gap between 4.2 releasing on the Nexus 4 and Cyanogenmod releasing 10.2 stable. As mentioned though, many of the ROMs have released stable versions and those that haven't are still fairly stable despite not having an "official" stable release.
I will say that I'm less likely to stick with a ROM despite bugs on Nexus devices than on other devices for two main reasons. With other devices, you're often getting rid of a manufacturer skin (so it's a completely different interface, instead of just having some tweaks) or you're moving up an Android version early.
Its worth pointing out that some devs only call their last ever release "stable" when they absolutely won't add or change anything again.
I think it's too easy to get wrapped up in the terminology and not appreciate the development we have
What a stable release means to 1 dev, means something else to another.
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nearly every single ROM that I've ever used that has been titled "stable", has been less stable then the regular builds. especially with cm. a real ROM is neither called " stable" nor "experimental", its just called by its name and released. people add the word "stable" to them just to trick a few into a few more downloads.
There number of quotation marks in here is too damn high.
For good reason...
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