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I just received the following SMS:
Rogers/Fido Safety Message: URGENT 911 Calls HTC Dream software update: Mandatory software update is now available to help ensure 911 calls are completed from your phone. Please go immediately to rogers.com/dreamsoftwareupdate on your PC to download.
In order to help ensure 911 calls are completed internet access will be temporarily disabled on your phone at 01/24/10 6:00AM EST. To minimize loss of internet service, please complete your software update immediately. Upon completion, internet access will be re enabled within 24 hours.
For users of Macintosh and Windows 7, please call 1- 888-764-3771(1-888-ROGERS1) for update instructions.
We apologize for the inconvenience but we prioritize customer safety above all.
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So, here's the thought. Clearly they are going to be looking for something. Perhaps the radio is going identify itself, as DREAM.OK or some such?!
Obviously, they aren't looking for people to call in, one by one to re-activate their service.
Another option would be some sort of "now that you have installed the rom, SMS this code to rogers.upgrade.done...
Ideas? I'd hate to see all non-Rogers Dream ROMs blacklisted, because they didn't include "Dream.fixed' in some tag somewhere....
EDIT:
Ah, if anyone is curious, you can find the ROM at http://www.rogers.com/techsupport
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Yea, I'm wondering whats goona happen here. Rogers has a history of ass-hattery, and I wouldn't be at all surprised if they shut off data access to all non-rogers roms. They've been fighting to keep custom roms off their phones since day one.
I'm goona call them tomorrow to find out how exactly, they are planning to be disabling data services to non-compliant devices.
P.S. I have successfully called 911, with my G1, with the GPS enabled, running CM 4.0.9, and CM 4.1.11, with radio 3.33, and I've also verified on a friends stock G1, that 911 works fine, so I suspect there is more to the story.
I've created a Facebook group to track updates, and give us some better sticky handling of resolutions: http://www.facebook.com/group.php?gid=265860828421
Radio firmware
The new radio firmware they are pushing is 3.22.26.17.
Kernel version 2.6.27-d5acf552
[email protected] #12
It's a standard 1.5 image without sense UI or any new features.
SPL 1.33.0010 is pushed preventing fastboot writes to the phone.
The final kick in the face is that they patch the exploit used to root the android OS via flashrec-1.1.2-20090909.
If your a dream user and apply this patch, you will not be able to root your phone until flashrec is updated.
dr.killphd said:
The new radio firmware they are pushing is 3.22.26.17.
Kernel version 2.6.27-d5acf552
[email protected] #12
It's a standard 1.5 image without sense UI or any new features.
SPL 1.33.0010 is pushed preventing fastboot writes to the phone.
The final kick in the face is that they patch the exploit used to root the android OS via flashrec-1.1.2-20090909.
If your a dream user and apply this patch, you will not be able to root your phone until flashrec is updated.
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I can confirm that.
eYup
Just got off the phone with Rogers LVL 2 and 3 support.
They say that the are discontinuing data services to all G1 phones, until some script runs through, which detects your "update version".
No one in level 2 or 3 knows what exactly this script is "detecting" other than the "update version". They don't know if its looking for android version, radio version, or spl, nor do they know if anroid 1.6, radio 3.33, splwhatever is good enough (even though 911 calls work fine for me).
At any rate, my phone is on a corporate account, so they're taking me a tad more seriously than I'd expect from Rogers. LVL 3 guy is making some calls (after fighting with him for 2 hours), to find out if perhaps our data services won't be disconnected, so long as we're running android 1.6+/radio 3.33+.
Will update when I hear back from them.
Call in, complain. Demand to speak to the "office of the president" (Apparently the guys with some measure of authority?)
*UPDATE*
So I spoke to "the supervisor for the office of the president of Rogers", and he says in a rather scripted tone, "Rogers does not allow any non-rogers provided and supported phones on their network. Connecting a non-rogers phone to the rogers network, is a breach of contract, as outline in the terms and conditions."
So, we went over the terms and conditions, line by painful line, to find the part that says Rogers only allows Rogers branded phones on their network. We were unfortunately, unable to find said stipulation.
Overall, they've said they don't care if discontinuing your data services means the loss of your business.
Now, thus far no one actually knows what Rogers is looking for, to determine how they're going to know if you've updated or not, but what they DID say, is that once they've determined that you've updated, data services will be restored to your account. This suggests that the data services will STAY activated, even if you install another ROM.
I'll test this tomorrow/monday, by putting my sim into a g1 thats been updated with Rogers ROM, wait till data services come up, and then drop my sim back into my phone. We'll see.
Any questions or concerns regarding this update, should probably be directed to Trever Rodrigez (team manager for the office of the president of Rogers) - 416-935-7543
OK,
Good news:
Cyanogen -> Rogers patch 1.5 and back (and added bonus for linux/mac users no need to run a windows application to do it)
Bad news: in writing this and redoing the process I did something silly and bricked my phone: (so continue with caution)
Here is a hacked version of the dream rom.nbh used to update to Rogers new version. (Basically just flagged it not to touch the SPL)
News Update (Feb 1):
bcrook and beav_35 have extracted the radio image from the nbh; see:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=5509214&postcount=345
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=5510235&postcount=350
Thus if you wish to only get the radio you may wish to check the above out. Otherwise there is nothing wrong with using the instructions on this thread for trying/developing for/hacking the new rogers rom w/o loosing the SPL as many people have successfully used.
(I have read reports of people flashing the radio resulting in a working phone; and have checked the data appears to be extracted correctly; thus I'm fairly confident the radio.img is correct; However I have not flashed it myself via the img so you continue at your own risk)
Flash ROGERS rom (sans SPL) to your phone
!*! Please be sure to proceed with caution; also note while flashing to the rogers rom ought to be fairly safe flashing radios [including the one in this rom and the ota] always have a potential risk of bricking a phone, as some people have found out the hard way.
You will need:
* recovery-RA-dream-v1.5.2R.img
* DREAIMG.nbh For Rogers 911 fix
* working fastboot
* Engineering SPL (others may or may not work):
DREAM PVT 32B ENG S-OFF
HBOOT-1.33.2005 (DREA21000)
* EBI0 users (aka RADIO-2.22.19.26I): signed-dream_devphone_userdebug-ota-14721.zip or radio image
(edit) NOTE this will likely only work on rogers HTC Dream phones.
1) download http://rapidshare.com/files/340176423/DREAIMG.nbh.html MD5: f6c6865a92f52345cee374960773df7d
2) Place this version of DREAMING on the root of your SD card
3) run Nandroid backup!!! (this also ensures your current recovery works)
4) turn off phone and turn on holding camera
5) Start HBOOT mode (may start on its own, otherwise press "send" to go to FASTBOOT then camera to return and re-try HBOOT)
6) it will ask you to install [1] RADIO_V2 [2] RECOVERY [3] BOOT [4] SYSTEM [5] USERDATA
7) press action key (trackball) to install rogers firmeware w/o SPL
8) wait while install continues
9) When prompted to reboot hold camera while you press the action key
10) Now back in the SPL use fastboot to flash recovery-RA-dream-v1.5.2R.img (fastboot flash recovery recovery-RA-dream-v1.5.2R.img)
11) Menu to shut off
12) power and boot into rogers rom
>> You now have a non-rooted rogers rom with the rogers radio;
>> however you have fastboot with engineering SPL; and a full recovery image
If you where using radio 2.22.19.26I this will need to be recovered and nandroid restore run; otherwise hopefully you only need the nandroid restore (not tested by me)
Restore Cyanogen and other EBI0 roms /Radio 2.22.19.26I From a previous Nandroid backup ONLY:
First if you are running CM.. strongly consider switching to the EBI1 version it is much less likely to brick your phone:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=5486532&postcount=428
Thus far 3 phones (my own included) have been bricked attempting to restore EBI0; as such I'm removing my original instructions (I'm confident they worked if used correctly but think there are better ways to keep your phone operating)
New steps:
1) nandroid restore
2) reboot phone (if it boots you restored a EBI1 rom.. and its a good thing we didn't use my original steps)
3) If the phone gets stuck on rogers logo pull battery
4) reconsider switching to EBI1 port http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=5486532&postcount=428
5) if for a second time you refuse to switch to the EBI1 port: download ota-radio-2_22_19_26I.zip from http://code.google.com/p/sapphire-port-dream/
6) unzip and extract radio.img
7) enter fastboot on the phone
8) run 'fastboot flash radio radio.img'
9) try to boot your phone good luck
Restore Cyanogen or other EBI1 rom From a previous Nandroid backup ONLY:
1) Run Nandroid recovery
New CFW Install:
Find and Follow "rogers" install instructions
EBI0 roms: you have only installed the SPL; you will still need to install Radio + recovery
EBI1 roms: you have already installed SPL + Recovory
This is only for HTC dreams right? Not unlocked Tmobile G1's running CM 4.2.13 on Rogers?
question. my account says im on a blackberry bold 9000, will this effect me since im using my htc dream on the account or will they overlook me not knowing im on the dream?
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im guessing they know im using my htc dream due to i got the txt msg.. so that rules that out
but arent they breaking the contract terms by disabling our data until we do their new since update since we signed before this update was even thought about?
timekeeper said:
This is only for HTC dreams right? Not unlocked Tmobile G1's running CM 4.2.13 on Rogers?
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Did they text you about a e911 issue? I don't think flashing a Rogers firmware on a T-Mobile G1 a good idea.
Everything working fine, CM 4.2.13 , rooted, and 2.22.19.26. 1.6 recovery
Maybe they are also checking whether or not the phone was bought from them or from another source , by checking IMEI/SN. Not sure , but everything is fine with my internet access.
Ok, first the nitty and gritty.
Bell Canada already lost this argument, back in the late 70s or early 80s.
Back then, Bell only allowed "Bell Canada approved phones", or at the time, Northern Telecom phones. They claimed that other phones could "harm their switches", and so on, and so forth.
The also claimed that modems were an "abuse of the line", and that fax machines could not be connected without paying a special fee.
All three of these things were overruled, either by CRTC or court decisions at the time. The CRTC/court did not buy the hogwash, that phones designed to work on Bell's network, by competitors, were somehow a danger to Bell.
The same parallel can be drawn here, and is likely why the poster above, did not find that statement in the TOS provided by Rogers. Rogers' legal likely knows that if they push too hard to keep such phones off their network, a court or CRTC decision based upon prior prescident will force them to move to a fully open network.
That is, the CRTC or a court, will not buy that standard GSM phones, designed for a standard GSM network, running on a GSM network built and designed to be compatible with standard GSM phones, will cause issues.
It won't, and it is hogwash.
That said, there is a big difference between refusing to help with cell phone specific issues, and blocking cell phones off their network. Refusing to help with cell phones specific issues, with cell phones they are not familiar with, is reasonable.
Blocking cell phones, for no other reason that they assume there are issues with them, is not reasonable.
This all said and done, what would they be keying on? That is, is there a version string on the ROM? If so, why would we even care if the rom said DREAM in it?
Why not call it "MAERD_NOT" instead?
Is this hard coded in the radio? I'd guess so....
Opinions from any developers would be very, very appreciated...
pk198105 said:
Everything working fine, CM 4.2.13 , rooted, and 2.22.19.26. 1.6 recovery
Maybe they are also checking whether or not the phone was bought from them or from another source , by checking IMEI/SN. Not sure , but everything is fine with my internet access.
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I can confirm the same.
I had thought that their disconnect was tomorrow, I did not realise that today was the 24th. I guess it makes sense, as everyone will have issues on Sunday, and theoretically have time to update on their day off..
So, so far, perhaps they are triggering only on the specific bad version of the rom, which is the logical thing to do...
hrm
Well, I'm running CM 4.2.11, android 1.6, radio 3.33, and spl 1.33.xx, and its 1144 on 01/24/2010, and I've not lost my data services.
For the time being, it looks like they're just looking for either Android 1.5+, or radio 3.22+. I'm goona leave my phone as is for now, and see what happens. We'll see what happens over the next few hours, but their update process is clearly not what we've been told. (Data services was supposed to be disconnected for all G1 users at 0600, period.)
P.S. I asked Rogers very specifically, if they were going to probe each phone to find out which were effected by the 911 bug. They said they were disconnecting data services to ALL G1 handsets, until some script on their side, could log into our devices, and check that the update was in place. *sigh*
Yeah my internet's been disabled too now. It happened around noon for me. I really hope someone comes out with a fix for this. I called in to Rogers too and asked if he could reactivate my data for me but he was like, "Your SIM is from 2004, so it is too old, please use the SIM provided with your phone and call us back to reactivate your number." Not sure what that means though. He said something about how it might not work.
Additionally, I'm also on CM 4.2.13.
I can't believe how low traffic this thread is. Are there only 7 people in Canada, running non-rogers g1's?
BRad Barnett said:
Ok, first the nitty and gritty.
Bell Canada already lost this argument, back in the late 70s or early 80s.
Back then, Bell only allowed "Bell Canada approved phones", or at the time, Northern Telecom phones. They claimed that other phones could "harm their switches", and so on, and so forth.
The also claimed that modems were an "abuse of the line", and that fax machines could not be connected without paying a special fee.
All three of these things were overruled, either by CRTC or court decisions at the time. The CRTC/court did not buy the hogwash, that phones designed to work on Bell's network, by competitors, were somehow a danger to Bell.
The same parallel can be drawn here, and is likely why the poster above, did not find that statement in the TOS provided by Rogers. Rogers' legal likely knows that if they push too hard to keep such phones off their network, a court or CRTC decision based upon prior prescident will force them to move to a fully open network.
That is, the CRTC or a court, will not buy that standard GSM phones, designed for a standard GSM network, running on a GSM network built and designed to be compatible with standard GSM phones, will cause issues.
It won't, and it is hogwash.
That said, there is a big difference between refusing to help with cell phone specific issues, and blocking cell phones off their network. Refusing to help with cell phones specific issues, with cell phones they are not familiar with, is reasonable.
Blocking cell phones, for no other reason that they assume there are issues with them, is not reasonable.
This all said and done, what would they be keying on? That is, is there a version string on the ROM? If so, why would we even care if the rom said DREAM in it?
Why not call it "MAERD_NOT" instead?
Is this hard coded in the radio? I'd guess so....
Opinions from any developers would be very, very appreciated...
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I agree, and told Rogers all of this last night. They said "There are no legal ramifications to discontinuing service to unsupported handsets".
I pointed out that this is not an issue of "support", rather it was an issue of them purposefully and forcefully un-supporting non-rogers branded phones and software, which HAS and WILL AGAIN, have legal ramifications.
All this is well and good, except that it seems there are only 7 of us using non-rogers roms wtf.
I'm in Toronto and I can confirm I just loss my data 15 minutes ago. So do the instruction on page 1 work? I'm wondering if I should wait and see or just go ahead with the flash.
I'm running Dwang's Rom.
Follow this on the Android subforum on the rogers forum at howardforums. Lol..I'm not allowed to post links sorry.
Edit: This is what I see in fastboot
HBOOT - 1.33.2005 (DREA21000)
CPLD-4
RADIO-2.22.19.26I
zydus said:
I'm in Toronto and I can confirm I just loss my data 15 minutes ago. So do the instruction on page 1 work? I'm wondering if I should wait and see or just go ahead with the flash.
I'm running Dwang's Rom.
Follow this on the Android subforum on the rogers forum at howardforums. Lol..I'm not allowed to post links sorry.
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What Radio are you running?
Can anyone who HAS lost data services, report back their radio version?
You can do this by starting your phone in fastboot mode (camera+power button). Radio version is at the top left.
I updated my system and boot partitions, but not the radio and SPL (you can extract the images from the update if you know how...). I didn't want to update the radio in case it wasn't compatible with 1.33.2005 SPL. I also lost my data connection a couple hours ago. If it doesn't come back by tomorrow, then I know that it must be the radio version that they're checking for.
Edit: Radio is 3.22.20.17. Hasn't been touched since I got the phone when it came out.
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What Radio are you running?
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Added on my post.
Didn't see a General discussions thread so I hope saying hello in a new thread won't cause pain.
Just got my MyTouch 4G today after returning an HTC HD7 for lack of cell radio reception. My MyTouch is currently on Android 2.2 and am hoping it will automatically update to 2.2.1 (heads-up on the procedure is welcome).
I had a choice between this phone or the G2. I chose this one because of the front camera. Not sure but I believe this MyTouch has a faster CPU than the G2.
It feels good and solid in the hand and the battery door is metal as opposed to the flimsy plastic of the HD7.
And words of wisdom for tweaking and using this nice hardware is appreciated.
Welcome to the club! Don't think you'll be disappointed, and the MT4G at least on par with (I think better than) the G2. You can easily compare the proc specs via a Google/web search...the MT4G has a 2nd gen Snapdragon.
I got my MT4G the day after release, and had the OTA update that evening. Just got an OTA message and let the d/l and update rip. There's a thread or 2 regarding those still awaiting the OTA update, so who knows what the delay is or the logic behind when you'll get it.
Good news is the perma-root was obtained last week and hopefully we'll have new ROMs available soon.
BTW, time to change your avatar pic since you returned that HD7!
MartyLK said:
Didn't see a General discussions thread so I hope saying hello in a new thread won't cause pain.
Just got my MyTouch 4G today after returning an HTC HD7 for lack of cell radio reception. My MyTouch is currently on Android 2.2 and am hoping it will automatically update to 2.2.1 (heads-up on the procedure is welcome).
I had a choice between this phone or the G2. I chose this one because of the front camera. Not sure but I believe this MyTouch has a faster CPU than the G2.
It feels good and solid in the hand and the battery door is metal as opposed to the flimsy plastic of the HD7.
And words of wisdom for tweaking and using this nice hardware is appreciated.
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It's a good phone and you'll definitely enjoy it.
On the update procedure: Sometime after you make your first phonecall or type *#*#CHECKIN(or 243256)#*#* into the dialpad you will automatically download it and have a popup notification saying you have an update ready to install. You click go, and that's it!
Now there are a bunch of us who haven't received their updates for various different reasons, and we would <3 you long time if you would download the "aLogcat" app from the marketplace and run it while you wait for the update. What this will allow us to do is find the HTML link to Google's servers, so we can manually update. Once you have the update, you can upload the log to this website or send me a PM and we'll make arrangements that way.
LOL...yeah...been busy. Will get on that avatar.
By the way, what material property is the screen made of, hopefully Gorilla Glass?
MartyLK said:
LOL...yeah...been busy. Will get on that avatar.
By the way, what material property is the screen made of, hopefully Gorilla Glass?
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That's the rumor! But the official material isn't listed.
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It's a good phone and you'll definitely enjoy it.
On the update procedure: Sometime after you make your first phonecall or type *#*#CHECKIN(or 243256)#*#* into the dialpad you will automatically download it and have a popup notification saying you have an update ready to install. You click go, and that's it!
Now there are a bunch of us who haven't received their updates for various different reasons, and we would <3 you long time if you would download the "aLogcat" app from the marketplace and run it while you wait for the update. What this will allow us to do is find the HTML link to Google's servers, so we can manually update. Once you have the update, you can upload the log to this website or send me a PM and we'll make arrangements that way.
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I get a "Connection problem or invalid MIMI code" message.
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I get a "Connection problem or invalid MIMI code" message.
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Should just be *#*#2462546#*#*
It won't be instant, though. On my first device, I received the update 6hrs after activation.
EDIT: realized I mistyped on the original. Sorry about that.
unremarked said:
Should just be *#*#2462546#*#*
It won't be instant, though. On my first device, I received the update 6hrs after activation.
EDIT: realized I mistyped on the original. Sorry about that.
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Eh...no...I'm sorry, you typed correctly. I misread it. I dialed *#*#243256*#*#.
No gorilla glass on the mt4g or ANY HTC device... spoke with several corning employees, reps, and r&d folks(mfg of gg) at a conference this weekend, they said they have received 0 communication from HTC even with a interest in their product... he also said all that has to happen for us to get gg on HTC phones is have HTC pull their heads outta their asses and ask for it..
ESKIMOn00b said:
No gorilla glass on the mt4g or ANY HTC device... spoke with several corning employees, reps, and r&d folks(mfg of gg) at a conference this weekend, they said they have received 0 communication from HTC even with a interest in their product... he also said all that has to happen for us to get gg on HTC phones is have HTC pull their heads outta their asses and ask for it..
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Any idea how scratch resistant the MyTouch 4G is? EDIT- Is it the same material as on the HD2?
? All I can say is I don't have **** on mine... naked as a jay bird... I use the tmo holster while at work which holds the device screen in...
Also never had a screen cover for my n1... absolutely nessicary on the mt3g and g1 I had tho...
Ymmv
Sent from my HTC Glacier using XDA App
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Welcome to the club! Don't think you'll be disappointed, and the MT4G at least on par with (I think better than) the G2. You can easily compare the proc specs via a Google/web search...the MT4G has a 2nd gen Snapdragon.
I got my MT4G the day after release, and had the OTA update that evening. Just got an OTA message and let the d/l and update rip. There's a thread or 2 regarding those still awaiting the OTA update, so who knows what the delay is or the logic behind when you'll get it.
Good news is the perma-root was obtained last week and hopefully we'll have new ROMs available soon.
BTW, time to change your avatar pic since you returned that HD7!
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Doesn't look like I will be doing that on my MyTouch. I just read over the thread about it and, even though I had an HD2 with Android and was deep into it and could do a lot with it, directly on the device through apps like SUFSB, I have no clue about adb push/pull and have never been able to understand it because nobody ever truly explained what it is. I've searched Google about it and the resulting discussions are as vague as any other.
From what I gather there is some sorta program you put on the PC and do **** with it from there, but I've put things like adb on my PC and have no clue about what to do with it. I can click some stuff in it and nothing happens. adb shows up in my PC task manager, but doesn't seem to be doing anything beyond just taking up resources.
When I wanted to do something in my HD2 Android build, I would open SUFSB, tap the S to make it red and then copy and paste whatever I needed to, or delete whatever I didn't want. That is the extent of my knowledge.
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Doesn't look like I will be doing that on my MyTouch. I just read over the thread about it and, even though I had an HD2 with Android and was deep into it and could do a lot with it, directly on the device through apps like SUFSB, I have no clue about adb push/pull and have never been able to understand it because nobody ever truly explained what it is. I've searched Google about it and the resulting discussions are as vague as any other.
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adb is really (without a deeper technical explanation) an interface to allow you to run commands, etc. from your PC/Mac/Linux box on your phone's OS, as well as push/pull files, and what not. It's part of the Android SDK, and there are various wiki's and how-to's regarding installation, configuration, basic adb commands, etc. I'd not used it before yesterday, and got it d/l'd, installed, and running commands in <30 mins.
HOWEVER, you don't need to use adb to root. Read through the how to root & S-OFF thread in the MT4G General section (or find the video on YouTube) and follow the steps - there are adb and non-adb options. Once you get the 2 required files onto your phone, all you really need is to download the Visionary (r12) and Terminal apps. Terminal is available in the Market, and you can find the Visionary r12 apk online easily. Instead of adb from your computer you can just run the necessary commands directly on your phone using Terminal app.
MartyLK said:
Any idea how scratch resistant the MyTouch 4G is? EDIT- Is it the same material as on the HD2?
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Don't know exactly what it is, but it appears to be pretty quality and have some scratch resistance.
I read one post on here (forget where) and the poster stated he'd run a key across his screen to show how scratch-resistant it really is (i.e. the key wouldn't scratch the screen).
lghorn said:
adb is really (without a deeper technical explanation) an interface to allow you to run commands, etc. from your PC/Mac/Linux box on your phone's OS, as well as push/pull files, and what not. It's part of the Android SDK, and there are various wiki's and how-to's regarding installation, configuration, basic adb commands, etc. I'd not used it before yesterday, and got it d/l'd, installed, and running commands in <30 mins.
HOWEVER, you don't need to use adb to root. Read through the how to root & S-OFF thread in the MT4G General section (or find the video on YouTube) and follow the steps - there are adb and non-adb options. Once you get the 2 required files onto your phone, all you really need is to download the Visionary (r12) and Terminal apps. Terminal is available in the Market, and you can find the Visionary r12 apk online easily. Instead of adb from your computer you can just run the necessary commands directly on your phone using Terminal app.
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Thanks for the reply.
I tried to read the Wiki about adb but just scratched my head at what they were saying. It seemed the explanations were aimed at people who are already into computer programming and such. People who already knew all the terminology and lingo of various OSs.
EDIT- Just read this. It is an example of the vagueness of what I have read about adb. This about what s off and s on is.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=839267
After reading that, I can now work for Microsoft and single handedly produce their next OS.
MartyLK said:
Thanks for the reply.
I tried to read the Wiki about adb but just scratched my head at what they were saying. It seemed the explanations were aimed at people who are already into computer programming and such. People who already knew all the terminology and lingo of various OSs.
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Yep, I'm an IT consultant & former developer, but the people who easily get this are likely Linux developers/gurus.
It's probably a nice to have/know, but you don't need adb or that knowledge to root the MT4G, install ROMs, and whatever other more basic customization you desire to do on this little beast.
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adb is really (without a deeper technical explanation) an interface to allow you to run commands, etc. from your PC/Mac/Linux box on your phone's OS, as well as push/pull files, and what not. It's part of the Android SDK, and there are various wiki's and how-to's regarding installation, configuration, basic adb commands, etc. I'd not used it before yesterday, and got it d/l'd, installed, and running commands in <30 mins.
HOWEVER, you don't need to use adb to root. Read through the how to root & S-OFF thread in the MT4G General section (or find the video on YouTube) and follow the steps - there are adb and non-adb options. Once you get the 2 required files onto your phone, all you really need is to download the Visionary (r12) and Terminal apps. Terminal is available in the Market, and you can find the Visionary r12 apk online easily. Instead of adb from your computer you can just run the necessary commands directly on your phone using Terminal app.
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You have any idea how to reboot into bootloader like the rooting instructions say? I've followed the instructions and did the terminal emulator way and it said to power down and reboot into something, can't remember, but I believe it was bootloader. However, I held the power button down and chose restart but was not presented with an option for rebooting into bootloader. Nevertheless, it rebooted but root didn't take.
It said to reboot into hboot to see if s is off.
This is really irritating the **** out of me. The root doesn't take and I follow the instruction exactly like they say. The only thing is they don't say how to reboot into hboot. However, I installed QuickBoot and rebooted into bootloader and saw that S was on. I have tried 2 times to make this rooting work and it has failed each time. The root folder is on the root of the sdcard. Visionary is installed and Terminal Emulator is installed. Everything is as it should be but this crap isn't working.
EDIT - I tried the file explorer way and it still failed. I tapped the root.sh file, waited 20 seconds and rebooted into booloader and the S is still on.
First disable "Fast Boot" under Menu > Settings > Applications. Then Power Off the phone. Once its off, hold the power plus volume down button.
Did you already receive the OTA update though? There were problems rooting without.
unremarked said:
First disable "Fast Boot" under Menu > Settings > Applications. Then Power Off the phone. Once its off, hold the power plus volume down button.
Did you already receive the OTA update though? There were problems rooting without.
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No update received yet. Not even a hint of it coming. Thinking about taking this phone back also because crap isn't working with it. I'd rather be without than frustrated.
Is there a way to download the update and do it manually rather than wait for some fat slob in some office somewhere to get done eating and ****ting before he sends the update to me?
Eh...nevermind. Phone is going back. The data doesn't work. Can't get it to work either. The H shows up and the arros light up, but I only get a data error message when going to the Market...or anything that requires data.
Hi all,
I'm going to be getting an HTC Evo Shift from someone, which I think has Android 2.2 Froyo on it.
The phone was reported lost and a replacement obtained, then after getting the replacement the old phone was found.... but Sprint said they had written it off, and didn't want the old one back. The ESN remains blocked on Sprint because of this, but they won't unblock it and just said they didn't want it.
Soooo, I'm going to use it as a WiFi only device... but I'd really like to get Gingerbread 2.3 onto it somehow... which I'm assuming can't be done OTA if the ESN is blocked on the Sprint network?
Also, I'm in Canada so once I get it, I won't have access to the Sprint network at all.... and I don't know if the update can be downloaded and installed manually through the computer or what. Anyone know?
I heard the Evo Shift can be rooted as well, but that sounds very complicated to me... so I'm still figuring out what my options are with regards to getting the software as updated as possible.
Any advice would be appreciated
id personally recommend reading up on how to root your fone..
and once you get that going...
you can just install a diff rom that has 2.3 on it..
=D
hey
I did a bit of reading on rooting bit it seems like its different for all devices and some are "one click" solutions while others are multi-step instructions full of unfamilliar terms and procedures which could ruin the phone. lol
I did read some instructions that pertained to the Evo Shift, but there was much involved that my brain shut off after reading the first few steps.
I was really hoping for something simple. but that might be a pipe dream, eh?
http://forum.xda-developers.com/archive/index.php/t-976605.html
Looks like the simplest root method for the shift. I haven't tried it, but since it is on xda good chance it is well supported.
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Thanks for the link.
Still sounds scary... but I'll finish reading the rest of the discussion later and see what others ultimately had to say about it.
Still open to comments from others too if anyone has any.
I dont have the phone yet, I'm just getting prepared so I can get to work updating it as soon as it arrives.
Easy and fast root method
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The link that was posted would be the easiest for someone but the perm root instructions that are stickied in the development section is what I have used many times on my shift and my girls shift when I root, you can do it either from the pc or from terminal on your phone just have to make sure the commands are exact so I would say just use the pc and copy from the root instructions and paste in command prompt. There are a few gingerbread ROMS to choose from 2 are stock, one is newkidds the other is X99s ROM, then there is MikShiFted-G which is a very optimized and snappy GB, and last there is Elite v1.2 over on themikmik which is based off MikShifted-G but has carousel Rosie and 3D widgets, whatever you do don't try the ota if it goes through you will be stuck with a OS that hasn't been rooted yet
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Thanks for the replies guys.
I might give it a shot when it arrives.
There is a lot more I need to look into first.
I've seen lots of people say that if a CDMA phone has a carrier blocked ESN, that you can flash another carriers ROM onto it and activate it with them. I think Cricket Wireless or Boost Mobile was mentioned, but I can't remember.
Here in Canada, Bell still runs CDMA but they will NOT allow a non-Bell CDMA phone to be connected to their network, under any circumstances. HSPA/GSM they will though.
It I could flash the ROM to a carrier other than Sprint, that might be a good idea. That way the thing can potentially have some value as a phone too, and maybe serve me as a roaming device when I travel to the US. Or, would just installing one of the third party ROM's allow it to be activated on another carrier?
I'm really not familliar with the way the US carriers operate.
I did a brief search (both on Google and XDA) and came up with very little.
For your info - The Detail is pretty much an unbranded Evo Shift, available for MNVO's... My colleague just picked up one through Credo Mobile (Sprint). The device came with Android 2.2 out of the box, so is it possible to perma-root this device?
If so, would it be possible to use EVO Shift roms on the device? I know that its impossible to answer these questions without actually having a device to test - i'm pretty much just bouncing ideas off you guys.
Any information/ideas would be helpful. Thank you in advance.
try here, it should work if I understand your questions.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=932153
Does this work?
Please let us know if this works. There is virtually no information whatsoever right now on rooting this phone. The only other thread I can find is androidpit dot com/en/android/forum/thread/437546/Rooting-the-HTC-Detail (anti-spam prevents me from posting links)
and it does not provide a conclusion.
I've been looking at this phone as well and am wondering the same thing. I don't want to get a phone that I can't root, and this is a time sensitive decision.
From everything I've read online it is just a rebranded Shift, but I can't seem to find any deep tech details on the phone to see if there are any minor differences that would prevent using Shift root method/ROMs.
I think it works
I got an HTC Detail from Credo a week ago. Am brand new to Android.
I think I just successfully rooted it, by following instructions on youTube
qbking77:
How to root and clockworkmod the HTC EVO Shift 4G on Android 2.2
(forum not allowing me to post a link since i am new and not yet to be trusted)
my phone seemed to work just like the Evo Shift in the video.
I'm running supreme sense v5 rom on my rooted htc detail from credo. It works exactly the same as the shift when it rooted it using instructions for the shift. Before i flashed ss i was using bcnice's kernel with the stock rom, which also worked fine.
The thing that i noticed that made me feel confident was that it is pg06100, exactly the same as the shift.
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CyanogenMod 7.10
I have successfully rooted the Detail using clockworkrecovery and CyanogenMod 7.10, following the directions on the HTC Detail Root HowTo on the Cyanogen Wiki.
Has anyone else that has rooted this phone had any problems sending and receiving MMS or long text messages that need to be split up? Since rooting trying to send long texts says "Sending" for a long time and eventually fails. If it says sent, it usually comes back as failed shortly after. MMS usually says "Sent" but never shows up for the recipient.
Not sure if it will cure the issue. But you can try booting into Recovery. Then wipe Cache, wipe Dalvik, and reboot.
I know on some AOSP ROMS you have to go into the messaging settings and click the split at 160 thing to get the phone to send more than one message at a time, but I'm not sure about MMS, there might be a few things that need changed for you?
Shifted to the extreme, cause I rawk Supreme
I may be a bit late on catching this add, but yes. You can do a full root
Follow VICODAN's thread for most recent links:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1357157
Also if you want to do MMS, I made a how-to. It only seems to work for 2.3.4 mods however (I recommend NewSENSE)
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1824916
Good luck! I am currently trying to find an image of Credo Mobile's to unroot myself. That is more trouble it seems than the Sprint's for sure.
Are you looking for the RUU ?
Hi,
Convinced my wife to also get a Desire S and we are picking one up from Orange UK later today.
She will need root so that we can install an app to get the phone to connect to our car phone kit. I'm assuming that the phone will come with Android 2.3.3 and the associated HBOOT.
I'm guessing the options are to diable the OTA updates, S-Off with Alpharevx and use gingerbreak for root. I'm assuming the advantage is that this can all be reversed if there is a layer problem with the phone. The downside will be that we won't be able to update the phone until Alpharevx, etc, catches up with new phone software releases.
The alternative is to S-off via XTC-Clip (there is one nearby) which will ne permanent and allow pre-rooted updated RUU's to be more regularly installed.
Does anyone have any views on the best way forward.
As an aside, I'm guessing that installing an unbranded ROM does not affect any functionality of the phone on the Orange UK mobile network.
Many thanks,
Damian
Hello,
Assuming that you get a hboot version that can be s-off'd then I'd use revolutionary and follow the method that you described.
You're right about disabling ota updates do that immediately as if applied then they can seriously limit your options.
There is something called uma (I think that's right name?) which I believe enables you to use your wifi to make calls when mobile signal is weak, I believe that this can be used on orange but I don't know if your devices would come with it. If you're from UK you can now piggy back Tmobile so you have more chance of a decent signal.
If you get a later version of hboot, that can't be s-off'd then you still have several options open to you:
you could attempt to use the official htc unlock htcdev.com unlock routine, even though this devices still isn't listed as supported I've read that some users have successfully used this method to unlock their devices successfully. Although I can't provide any links so you'll have to either read around or post a further question in an attempt to get some info on how to do this method.
You could alternatively drop the revolutionary boys a line and ask them is they plan to update their software to later versions off this devices hboot To see If any etas are forthcoming , although developers tend not to like eta requests
Another option before considering xtc would simply be to wait HTC to add support for this device, it's supposed to be coming, but so is xmas, although you won't be unhappy with the device running stock, although I run a rooted custom and love it, my wife is still running stock as it's her first Android device and she's still loving it!
Although then there's always the xtc route and as an original xtc user I can recommend this route although as you're aware it's not reversible and you must consider the effect it well have on your warranty
Good luck with your choice, psst back any questions
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Thanks for the reply.
Picked the phone up on Saturday and it is Hboot 0.98.0002 and Radio 3805.06.02.03_M.
My wife seems happy with things, apart from the mobile data/signal does not seem as robust as with her old Nokia. I've told her that a radio update may improve this as it did with mine when I recently updated it.
Think will go down the Revolutionary route. I need to check but assume that you can just flash a new radio with the Revolutionary Hboot. I think for now she will be happy with 2.3.3 and we will see how things pan out with updates in the next few months.
Thanks again,
Damian