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Like many of you, I have been a loyal HTC customer since 2004 when I bought my first HTC product. I have been buying at least one new HTC product each year since then. However, beginning two or so year ago, HTC stopped selling unlocked phones with 3G Radios which worked in Europe and the U.S.
For example, a few years ago when the HTC TyTN came out, we U.S. customers could pay a bit of a premium and buy an unlocked HTC TyTN which had 3G radios which worked in the U.S. and Europe before the the HTC TyTN variant (Cingular 8525) officially came to the U.S. many months later. The same was true of the HTC TyTN II (AT&T Tilt or 8925).
Beginning with the HTC Rafael (AT&T Fuze) a couple years ago, the unlocked phones offered directly from HTC had no 3G radios for the U.S. Next, the HTC HD Blackstone and then the HTC Touch Pro 2 were offered unlocked, but without radios that could work on U.S. 3G networks.
This makes me very angry for several reasons. First, AT&T is undoubtedly the best GSM carrier stateside in terms of 3G coverage. (Hopefully T-Mobile will catch up someday). All U.S. customers (if they want 3G) have to wait for months to get the hot stuff. By the time the new device arrives, it's old news and out of date (the HTC Tilt 2 for example). AT&T will undoubtedly receive all the good stuff last because of its exclusivity with the I-Phone which makes all the other manufacturers want to release their new stuff elsewhere first. (I don't blame them for this.).
Secondly, AT&T's branding is absolutely atrocious. I'd like to get my hands on the idiot at AT&T who keeps screwing up perfectly good QWERTY keyboards with AT&T idiotic silver keys and insane layouts. The silver wears off and makes the keys hard to see in bright light. The layout is insane because they change the masterful HTC layouts and have even changed patters from their previous keyboards. The caps and function keys have been switched. Whoever is in charge of keyboard layout should be fired and not allowed to work in the industry again.
Business people who live in Europe and travel to the U.S. should be equally upset. Their expensive unlocked HTC products won't pick up a U.S. 3G signal.
Am I the only one who doesn't like this trend? I think not. We all need to band together and push HTC to putting a bunch of 3G radios in its products. Personally, I'd like to see some unlocked products which had the following 3G bands - 850/900/1700/1900/2100. Or what about 850/1700/1900/2100 so that it could be used on either AT&T or T-Mobile in the States and also in Europe? No, they cannot do that, the carriers would have to actually compete on quality of service and price rather than on what phone they have.
I suspect that the hardware is not a limitation. If it is the limitation, the manufacturers could make plug in modules that could go from one frequency set to another. I bet that the reason the radios are limited is due to the totally anti-competitive practices of the U.S. carriers.
This is total B.S. Every single HTC customer who travels between the U.S. and Europe should complain to HTC about this. Can we get some kind of joint letter, etc, going?
I'd be interested to hear all responses. I'm frankly fed up.
I'm personally pretty frustrated with this issue. AT&T really f*cks up their keyboards, and adds so much crap to their devices. I'd have thrown my Tilt and Tilt2 out the window if I hadn't learned about cooked ROMs. The keyboard is the absolute worst, though. Whoever at AT&T decides to ruin the otherwise great keyboards on the unlocked devices needs to be shot. And as you said, they decided to change the CAPS and FN key positions, after I already learned to type the opposite way for two years.
However, the antenna hardware is a limitation, in a sense. Meaning, you can't enable the US 3G bands on an unlocked device if they internal hardware antenna doesn't support it. In a podcast with Mobility Digest, one the legendary producers of HardSPL (Olipro) said that he's hacked radios and SPLs to allow all the frequencies to be utilized, and there was no signal, because the antenna hardware was not able to pick up the frequencies.
I think the real problem is the carriers. AT&T doesn't want people to buy an unlocked AT&T compatible phone that I can use without an expensive data plan that I'm locked into for 2 years. They also don't want me to buy a phone that also supports T-Mobile, so I can decide I don't like AT&T and take my phone with me, 3G coverage and all. So what AT&T does is pressure HTC not to release an unlocked version with their 3G frequencies supported. You're absolutely right when you say that quality of service should be the deciding factor in a network, not the phones they sell.
I went through and other frustrations with HTC and at one point I swore I'd never buy another HTC phone again. Then I went and bought an iPhone. Problem is, while the iPhone is a pretty sweet phone, AT&T is still the same scumbag company regardless of what phone you own and Apple is even WORSE than HTC. Unless you jailbreak the iPhone, you can't do anything interesting with it and you're totally at the mercy of Apple and AT&T as far as apps and what you can do with them. Take Slingplayer, for example. It works over wifi, period. I can get it to work over 3G if I jailbreak the phone and install a utility that makes it think it's using wifi, but how much longer is jailbreaking going to be available? Apple is going to great lengths to put an end to jailbreaking thought patching the exploits that allow it to work and legally by trying to make it illegal to jailbreak it. You can't use your own sounds for message notification, you can't customize the screen, you can't do a lot of things. So Apple and AT&T take a nice phone and totally f**k it up. And that's why I'm back to using an HTC phone. In the grand scheme of things, HTC and Microsoft are, by a wide margin, the lesser of the two evils when put against Apple and AT&T.
I understand that HTC has limited the hardware so that even with the right software, the phones won't pick up frequencies for which they don't have hardware or antennas. It cannot be a big deal.
Always the optimist, I believe that if everyone who used this forum wrote HTC a letter demanding that they start putting the hardware in their phones to operate on multiple 3G networks, something positive might happen.
HTC has it in their power to make and sell unlocked phones. Five years ago, you never saw HTC's name on the phones. It was always, Cingular, T-Mobile, Siemens, Audiovox, etc. Now you see HTC doing direct advertising in the U.S. However, I don't think it will have any effect. The ignorant masses are so I-Phone crazy. The name HTC doesn't mean thing to them.
Soon that I-Phone will be sold on all the U.S. networks. HTC could advertise directly and sell tons of phones if the phones were unlocked and worked on multiple 3G networks. This is one of the principles of "Net Neutrality". People hate to be tied to any certain network. This idea of locking the customer into a two year contact to get a stinking phone is outrageous. Sure, the initial outlay for the phone is small, but the carrier more than makes it back with high than needed data connection fees. In the end, the consumer gets the shaft.
If HTC offered an unlocked phones with U.S. & Europe 3G, I'd buy a new one every few months if the phones were any good. I want an HTC HD2 right now. I'd also like to try an HTC Hero in a GSM 3G too. But I'll have to wait several months and hope my carrier gets it.
Let's not sit back and let this sorry situation continue. Let's spread the word and go after the HTC and get the message out there.
I'm not Dissatisfied with htc in regards to travel. But I am Dissatisfied with htc in regards to OS Updates. I dont think that HTC should allow the updates to be Choosen by the carrieer.
Example: HTC Touch Pro some carrieers are updateing to 6.5 and others are not.. and what pisses me off is HTC Touch Pro was designed for 7 then MS decided to push the release date back. so ALL Touch Pros should get the 6.5 update and when 7 comes out they should also get the 7 update aswell..
I'm so tired of this.. yes XDA is a good place to go for the updates but I should not have to rely on xda to give me the update.
I sware my next phone is going to be the apple iPhone.
radio stacks as far as I see it is not something htc are making a range of
they make one for each device and then make newer versions to tweek or fix issues with the first ones
the newest should in general be applied
about 3g frequencies diff between usa and the rest of the world is hardware differences not radio stack differences
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radio stacks as far as I see it is not something htc are making a range of
they make one for each device and then make newer versions to tweek or fix issues with the first ones
the newest should in general be applied
about 3g frequencies diff between usa and the rest of the world is hardware differences not radio stack differences
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The radio software is not the problem. It's the hardware. The hardware is deliberately made so that it only works on certain networks. I'm sure that cost and design are not the problem.
HTC needs to get back to devices that are true 3G 'world' phones! They have already lost a lot of the business folks!! Bring on the petition!!!
Agreed
I totally share your frustration. Similarly, due to heavy use I tend to buy a new phone yearly, Starting with Cingular 8150. I have many times purchased the same phone more than once, since no new devices were available when I needed a new phone. I am completely frustrated with being part of the largest consumer market in the world, yet only getting the latest technology more than a year after the rest of this planet. HTC has already lost an opportunity, by failing to fully and effectively advertise its products to Joe public, who was dazzled with the Iphone when it was first released. The fact remains that when we watched these Iphone adds, none of us was ever impressed with these features since they have been available to us for a long time with our HTC phones.
Rambo, I would like to encourage you to make a petition, as few of us are able to articulate this issue as well as you can and I would invite everyone to sign it, as a consumer block numbering in the thousands we can have our voices heard.
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HTC needs to get back to devices that are true 3G 'world' phones! They have already lost a lot of the business folks!! Bring on the petition!!!
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petition? just dont buy their garbage!
i havnt bought another htc since the htc tytn, that is like 4 years ago?
my previous phones, Imate 6150, Imate 9500, Eten X800, Sony X1, Acer F900, and now Acer neotouch S200, just preorder Acer Liquid, and soon Sony X10. what does all these phones have in common? they all works on ATT USA 3G! HTC can take their junks and stick it u know where! haha
netnerd said:
petition? just dont buy their garbage!
i havnt bought another htc since the htc tytn, that is like 4 years ago?
my previous phones, Imate 6150, Imate 9500, Eten X800, Sony X1, Acer F900, and now Acer neotouch S200, just preorder Acer Liquid, and soon Sony X10. what does all these phones have in common? they all works on ATT USA 3G! HTC can take their junks and stick it u know where! haha
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The only reason to petition HTC is because their hardware is not junk. It's very high quality stuff. They just need to make a few important changes.
dont be a pushy! haha
be a man!
it' like eatting at resturant, you are not allow to eat until everyone is finished eatting! that is just a insult to USA users! i wouldnt be begging them to let you eat at the same time as every1 else. i go elsewhere! haha
Thanks for using the Roman 'U' / sarcasm
3G Radios
yep, fully agree. I buy a new phone per year, due to heavy usage, they are generally ready for the scrap heap. I live in USA, but have operations in EU, and Japan / South Korea and I only want one phone and one number, and push around large amounts of data. I have to have 2100 mghz for voice and data in Japan and Korea, 850/1900 in USA and while in EU, need the 1800/900 and now 2100 for 3G access there. As I said, I only want one device and one number to keep updated and ready.
Big pain that HTC and Nokia have decided not to blend the 3G radios in the same way we have quad band GSM services. The extra frequencies on the radios are minor costs, which I would gladly pay.
ATT also keeps HTC from adding the 3.5 mm audio out jack, due to their exclusive deal with Apple on the Iphone, which is ridiculous. These cheap little dongles are a pain to use and keep up with, since I use my tilt 2 as an MP3 player while flying, I have to keep up with another piece. I strongly prefer one device to have to carry chargers for while traveling, so my phone is my MP3 player, email device, voice device, and mobile gps device. I want ONE DEVICE that works everywhere and not be dependant on AT&T to decide what and when I will get what.
HTC has to be tied to these carriers by some contract or agreement and is likely lacking marketing infastructure to take their phones to market globally and feel some ties to these major carriers. Otherwise it makes no sense to cripple these new devices as they are doing.
My 3 cents worth.
MWS
ms0529 said:
Big pain that HTC and Nokia have decided not to blend the 3G radios in the same way we have quad band GSM services. The extra frequencies on the radios are minor costs, which I would gladly pay.
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sony ericsson, and acer have no problems including USA 3g and EU 2100umts on their phone! retarded htc just dont want to! it like watching the new movie New Moon, you not allow to watch it until 6 months later! do u still get excited about New Moon 6 months later while every1 else already watched it? and Samsung is starting to wake up too! their lastest phone Omina II got USA 3g and 2100umts! (900/1900/2100umts)
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sony ericsson, and acer have no problems including USA 3g and EU 2100umts on their phone! retarded htc just dont want to! it like watching the new movie New Moon, you not allow to watch it until 6 months later! do u still get excited about New Moon 6 months later while every1 else already watched it? and Samsung is starting to wake up too! their lastest phone Omina II got USA 3g and 2100umts! (900/1900/2100umts)
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i second that..asus p835 also have us3g band
HTC exists to sell phones and make money.
If they wanted to sell phones that aren't carrier locked, it would have to be at full retail price ($500-600) and as a result MUCH less people would buy it. Plus HTC would have to open their own stores and such, or sell it only online.
The other option is to sell it through a carrier, but when you do that you're at the carriers mercy. And american carriers are scumbags when it comes to that.
For example, when the rest of the world uses the higher frequency that allows more users on the same tower and better speeds. America is still stuck with using ancient towers on ****ty frequencies...because carriers like AT&T are too cheap to upgrade it.
At the end of the day what do you think matters more to HTC (as a business), you deciding not to buy another phone from them (which would cost them very little, if anything, as it would be the carrier that sustains the loss) or them losing a multi-million dollar contract.
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HTC exists to sell phones and make money.
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so is any other cell phones makers. sony, acer, asus, and now samsung (with their latest omini II got USA 3G and 2100umts. you bought ATT iphone, you also get 2100umts, i believe LG Expo with 1G cpu also has usa 3g and 2100umts!
but if you bought a HTC garbage phone, it either 900/2100 or USA 3G only, no 2100umts !
update: maybe "garbage" is not the correct word, it' OLD JUNKS! but the time it get to usa, phone is already 6months old! would you want to see New moon in 6 months while every1 is watching it now? would you rather eat after every1 is finished eatting? you just eatting the left-over!
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so is any other cell phones makers. sony, acer, asus, and now samsung (with their latest omini II got USA 3G and 2100umts. you bought ATT iphone, you also get 2100umts, i believe LG Expo with 1G cpu also has usa 3g and 2100umts!
but if you bought a HTC garbage phone, it either 900/2100 or USA 3G only, no 2100umts !
update: maybe "garbage" is not the correct word, it' OLD JUNKS! but the time it get to usa, phone is already 6months old! would you want to see New moon in 6 months while every1 is watching it now? would you rather eat after every1 is finished eatting? you just eatting the left-over!
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What don't you understand about it not having anything to do with HTC?
HTC signs contracts with t-mobile, AT&T, verizon, sprint etc, which allows them to rebrand the phone and sell it ON THEIR SCHEDULE with the features/radios THEY WANT. As almost everyone in America is locked onto 2 year contracts, most will be unwilling to buy to a new phone at full retail price until their contract is over. Hence carriers will wait to stock up on new phones till a time when the majority of their subscribers will be nearing their time to upgrade.
This CAN affect their other phones as well, just depends on whats written on those contracts.
AT&T doesn't want you buying a phone and switching over to t-mobile. So they lock out the t-mobile 3G frequencies.
T-mobile doesn't want you buying a phone and switching over to AT&T. So they lock out the AT&T frequencies.
Verizon/Sprint, don't want you buying a global phone and switching to T-mobile/AT&T, so they lock out both those bands.
If carriers aren't giving a certain phone the 2100 frequency, it's probably because they sell a similar more expensive phone that is "global ready" and want you to buy that instead if you travel. (Like for example, the ATT touch diamond doesn't have the 2100 band. The ATT Touch Pro 2 DOES)
Sony Ericcson, and Acer don't sell their phones in America through a carrier so naturally they don't have to lock out the radios and can do whatever the hell they want.
What is so hard to get about this?
Yes HTC can make a new contract, but I highly doubt carriers will sign it.
And btw I wouldn't want to see new moon, because it's gotta be the worst movie ever and nor am I a 13 year old girl with no common sense.
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AT&T doesn't want you buying a phone and switching over to t-mobile. So they lock out the t-mobile 3G frequencies.
T-mobile doesn't want you buying a phone and switching over to AT&T. So they lock out the AT&T frequencies.
Verizon/Sprint, don't want you buying a global phone and switching to T-mobile/AT&T, so they lock out both those bands.
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i dont want a ATT or Tmobile branded htc old junk! i'm talking about HTC unlocked phone that they purposely left out USA 3G on it!
Which of these listed phones do you think is the best from CES 2011
Motorola Atrix
Motorola Bionic
htc Thunderbolt
T-Mobile G-Slate
Sony Ericsson Xperia arc
Any thoughts and suggestions are appreciated.
P.s And which carrier Sprint, Verizion, AT&T, T-Mobile is the best carrier for service and data/Internet.
Phone: HTC Thunderbolt
Servce: Verizon I have LTE in my area
The Bionic and Atrix have better specs but because of Motorola's habit of crippling devices, I cant support them. Maybe they will lock the bootloader maybe they wont, I can only base it off past experience and past experience tells me they will.
also Dual cores are nice but the OS and apps wont take full advantage of it for quite some time.
Hey thanx for replying, I have my htc EVO, but sprint service is just not cutting it.
HTC ThunderBolt. Where I live T-Mobile ain't cuttin' it! I still have my G1 and love it but when my contract is up the Thunderbolt will be hitting shelves and my job gets me 20% discount on Verizon every month.
Agreed about Motorola, I can't support them and happen to love HTC devices allot.
hd2 remains
The Atrix looks really nice, but I daren't think about the battery life on it. I guess it charges when in the dock though so it might not be too bad.
Anyway, I'm in the UK and wouldn't mind Three picking up any of those phones!
The Atrix is clearly the best. Thunderbolt? Not even close.
I just got my Nexus One back so i will be using it until Samsung's new Galaxy S 2 comes out, hopefully with Orion under the hood
Phone: Sony Xperia Arc. I like the look of it (most of the phones bored me) and it has a really good camera apparently.
Service: Verizon has service everywhere (apparently a lot in California where just about every other server lacks), but in my area, it doesn't matter because all the carriers have service here. I use T-Mobile and the service is quite fast here, no dropped calls and I won't probably won't switch carriers. I would check the map and avoid carrier fanboys trying to make you switch(seriously, why is it that US has carrier fanboys?!)
If you're a T-Mobile user waiting for the Sensation wait no more. Chitter Chatter are T-mobile upgrade partners who have the phone in stock - Mine is on it's way.
I got the phone for free after T-Mobile confirmed Chitter Chatter can give the same deal as them unlike Carphone who can't give the same offer as T-Mobile.
I was asked to pay £10 but Chitter Chatter agreed to pay the cost and offer a free gift if you upgrade via them. £30 high street voucher, Jaber bluetooth headset or a Samsung Rocky pay as you go mobile with £5 credit. Obviously the vouchers are best as the headset is availabe for £19.99 online.
T-Mobile stated they will not have the phone for at least 3 weeks.
Hi there, i've just ordered my sensation as well from chitter chatter got a really good deal, and the £30 shopping voucher!
quick question for you is the sensation unlocked or locked to tmobile?
I'd imagine they'd be SIM-free stock as T-Mobile have yet released their version of it. Probably better to get it SIM-free anyway. I would've but I won mine so didn't have a say
yeah I'm hoping its sim free as well as then I can use my voda sim when i go on holiday as it gives me a number of cheap texts to home
I got mine from Chitter Chatter on Tuesday, haven't really tried any other sim card in it, but there's definitely no bloatware from T-Mobile and there's no T-Mobile animation on start or switch off so I assume it's unbranded and unlocked one. Mine came from HTC16 series that are allegedly more reliable regarding touchscreen and with AUO screen with no pink tint or other problems. No dust under screen either.
Check the software version. If it's 1.28.401.1 it's unbranded (and the new RUU is available to download, 1.35.401.1 - you can get it from the Dev forum)
How do i check that?
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Dont worry i've checked and it is unlocked
Is that an official update?
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Be careful buying T-mobile phones from a third party. TM only allow 3G speeds unless you buy a booster. If you buy direct, this can be included in part of the deal.
Talk to customer service and most will deny this cap exists, but it does. If you want to go over 384kbps and use HSDPA you need the internet booster.
I'm picking up hdspa speeds so no problems there. I do have the internet booster though
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Unlocked and full HDSPA speeds again i have the internet booster as well. No problems with lag/touchscreen or death grip problems...so far!!!
Oh and no T-Mobile bloatware or delivery charge!!!
I plan to buy the Sensation out right in the next few weeks and sell my G2x to make up for some of the cost and make the purchase smaller.
I have two routes.
Get this Sensation from Expansys, and enjoy 100% what HTC intended with Sense, with no bloat. Along with no Carrier branding. I wouldn't have to pay taxes. A potential to get an S-Off version as well. If I go this route I will make this the first phone I add to my collection of phones.
Or
Go in store and purchase it out right and have bloat and carrier branding, but be required to pay taxes. If I go this route I will sell this phone once the next big thing hits T-Mobile in order to reduce overall price for new phone.
I live in Nevada and taxes are usually pretty high and make the purchase price more. What are some thoughts on this?
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I plan to buy the Sensation out right in the next few weeks and sell my G2x to make up for some of the cost and make the purchase smaller.
I have two routes.
Get this Sensation from Expansys, and enjoy 100% what HTC intended with Sense, with no bloat. Along with no Carrier branding. I wouldn't have to pay taxes. A potential to get an S-Off version as well. If I go this route I will make this the first phone I add to my collection of phones.
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Go in store and purchase it out right and have bloat and carrier branding, but be required to pay taxes. If I go this route I will sell this phone once the next big thing hits T-Mobile in order to reduce overall price for new phone.
I live in Nevada and taxes are usually pretty high and make the purchase price more. What are some thoughts on this?
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i got mine from radio shack online for 500 bucks after tax which is at least 80 bucks cheaper than both options. Otherwise i prob get the tmo one, just in case something goes wrong
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I plan to buy the Sensation out right in the next few weeks and sell my G2x to make up for some of the cost and make the purchase smaller.
I have two routes.
Get this Sensation from Expansys, and enjoy 100% what HTC intended with Sense, with no bloat. Along with no Carrier branding. I wouldn't have to pay taxes. A potential to get an S-Off version as well. If I go this route I will make this the first phone I add to my collection of phones.
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Go in store and purchase it out right and have bloat and carrier branding, but be required to pay taxes. If I go this route I will sell this phone once the next big thing hits T-Mobile in order to reduce overall price for new phone.
I live in Nevada and taxes are usually pretty high and make the purchase price more. What are some thoughts on this?
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Well hombre,
the one from expansys isn't 4G compatible, where as the tmo branded one is. If that's not a deal breaker than throw the S-Off dice and get the unbranded one.
Really? The unbranded Sensation doesn't have HSPA+ capability?
Get yourself a Galaxy S II
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I need T-Mobile Compatibility and that is way over budget too. Even if I can afford it.
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Really? The unbranded Sensation doesn't have HSPA+ capability?
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Check your own link man, I clicked it and read the specs.
All I saw was band compatibility and it didn't say much else other than speeds it can download and upload. I saw on GSM Arena and both have the same network compatibility (HSDPA) which leads me to believe that GSM Arena needs to update its info. Both have same download and upload which leads me to believe that 14.4mbps download is accurate. Either way, its still going to download from the network fast.
From the tech data
"Network5 HSPA/WCDMA: Europe/Asia/T-Mobile US: 900/AWS/2100 MHz Quad-band GSM/GPRS/EDGE: 850/900/1800/1900 MHz"
Go through customer care or radio shack. My final price was 600$ at the T-mobile store
Unbranded it is then lol. I shoulda went with you when you got it kyle lol.
I bought mine outright instore. £470 simfree from carphonewarehouse
I ordered mine off the T-Mobile website for a final price of $600
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Get yourself a Galaxy S II
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Agreed. I love this phone, but the SGSII simply has it beat in every single aspect (besides the qHD of course).
I cant spend that much for a phone. I just cant, the amount I would make back from selling the G2x wouldn't be much to dent the total cost.
I would just get one locally, some people are selling some identity theft-obtained ones or using their upgrades to make some cash.. and they're going for OK amounts of cash.
The Sensation 4G has better reception due to the extra antenna for Receive Diversity
Nah I want a recipt and proof of purchase security and returnability. G2x was boughr off hand and I could have returned for buyers remorse but I had to ship to original owner, long story short I want security.
just putting in my 2 cents...thumbs up for purchasing outright...i've been on that cycle for years and get brand new phones every year to 14 months for half price but selling my previous handset
i bought the sensation last week brand new (unlocked, unbranded, unbloated) for AUD $499, and sold my HTC Desire for $300 (because again it was unlocked, unbranded, etc)...$200 for a Sensation is a sweet deal to me
i usually buy from Hong Kong or UK online
i got the Sensation here - ordered on sunday, arrived by fedex on thursday
http://www.tandomobile.com/tandoshop/
Don't buy the sensation you will miss all the root apps dearly fyi this phone gonna stay locked for a long time.
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Don't buy the sensation you will miss all the root apps dearly fyi this phone gonna stay locked for a long time.
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meh...i rooted my desire only so i can have gingerbread...now that i have it native, what am i missing out on by not having root? unlocked phone don't have any features disabled
i can't take screenshots and i can't use titanium...that's the only difference for me
I know you guys are talking about buying it outright but I just had to share my experience.... I went to the T-Mobile store and got them to price match Walmart's price of 148.88 and he told me to bring in proof and he would give me back the difference, in the meantime I went ahead with a normal upgrade of 249.99 with the mail in rebate of $50 I brought the proof in the next day and was credited back $101 and still got my rebate card back of $50 making my total purchase of the phone $98.88 with a 2 year contract of course...
I am in the United States, where can I buy non branded T-mobile phone HTC Sensation Z710E at the best price?
Thanks!
Wait.. You want the T-Mobile Version of the Sensation without branding? Is that possible? (Without debranding..)
I want the non-tmobile version the international version to use on Tmobile USA
I know it can be done as im using one right now that i bought on craigslist but am looking for another one through ha online retailer or such.
i have an asian Z710E that i bought on ebay singapore for about $450 US.. you can also try the european version on ebay.uk
it was worth it to keep my $5 tzones plan
i guess i'll ebay uk but was wondering if there was any cheap sites in the U.S.
I would be interested to know what benefits will you get buying international version over the Tmous version?
I can use my t-zones plan on the international one.
Again this thread is for U.S. folks, need some insight where U.s. folks buy their internatioanl version phones.
Wouldn't you be stuck on 2G Internet?
Ebay is your best bet
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Wouldn't you be stuck on 2G Internet?
Ebay is your best bet
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nope.. im getting 5-8mb/sec downloads on my $5/mo tzones plan... no bandwidth caps either... this is why i forked over $450 for an international sensation
more info: http://wiki.howardforums.com/index.php/T-Mobile#T-Zones
joogle said:
i guess i'll ebay uk but was wondering if there was any cheap sites in the U.S.
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nope, ive looked for months, unless you get real lucky, an international ebay site (ie uk or singapore) is your best bet since the only people in the USA who have an internation sensation are probably like me and you and specifically need that version and will not sell for cheap since they know the value of it.
Wouldn't debranding hypothetically work?
ungraph said:
Wouldn't debranding hypothetically work?
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nope... t-zones compatibility is determined by your IMEI
So how do you know which one is the international version? I have an HTC sensation that bought from craigslist in new condition. It's rooted, flashed and now I got it unlocked However now I'm wondering what exactly I have and with which company I can use it with. I bought it to try it with T-mobile but I've been trying to figure out if I can use it with AT&T 3G or other companies since I travel a bit.
Mine does not have T-mobile written anywhere. The model is Z710e.
I have not activated it with T-mobile but I do have a sim card and its getting a signal.
I'm currently in Korea right now so if you're still interested, I can go to a phone shop and inquire how much it would cost. I can't guarantee that the phone will be unlocked and unbranded but it definitely will be an international phone... (Can't guarantee that it will work in the States. The guy says that it should but he's not sure.)
rustyxj6 said:
So how do you know which one is the international version? I have an HTC sensation that bought from craigslist in new condition. It's rooted, flashed and now I got it unlocked However now I'm wondering what exactly I have and with which company I can use it with. I bought it to try it with T-mobile but I've been trying to figure out if I can use it with AT&T 3G or other companies since I travel a bit.
Mine does not have T-mobile written anywhere. The model is Z710e.
I have not activated it with T-mobile but I do have a sim card and its getting a signal.
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if it doesnt have any T-Mobile branding on it then it is not a US phone... there is also a Z710a model from Canada that wont work with US 3g/4G