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So looking through the development subforum I noticed that there's a lot of roms there that will probably not work completely for the NS4G. Should there be a separate development subforum for the NS4g? This would make it easier to determine at a glance if the rom is compatible with the phone. It may at the very least help reduce questions from people new to rooting.
(Update) I'd like to make it clear that this thread is based on the assumption that NS roms do not work on NS4G phones. This has been reported on some roms(mainly, data doesn't work). If they end up being compatible with a minor tweak or something, then by all means discard this. (/update)
+1.
would also help to alleviate the sprint vs. t-mobile/cdma vs. gsm arguments that i'm starting to sense...
That's true...and those flamewars can be quite annoying. I'm sure people would appreciate not having to deal with those as often.
bump +1million.
Bump + 2,000,000
StormCell said:
Bump + 2,000,000
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that's a pretty legit bump
we for sure need this now that we know the gsm roms may not work.
+1 for adding a CDMA development area so that things will remain less cluttered
OP should add a poll or make another post with a poll so people can vote
And remove [Q] from title it will only get your thread moved to q/a section
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BrianDigital said:
+1 for adding a CDMA development area so that things will remain less cluttered
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+1 for this +1 bc i'm getting a headache trying to differentiate threads and posts through this clutter
fixxxer2008 said:
we for sure need this now that we know the gsm roms may not work.
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I'm not so sure that is 100% certain yet.
Support for the Nexus 4G was just added into AOSP Gingerbread branch in 2.3.4. So far none of the custom ROMs like CyanogenMod or MIUI have fully merged 2.3.4 into their code base.
There is a chance we will see "universal" ROMs that will work.
Remember, there were three Nexus S devices even before the 4G: i9020T, i9020A, and i9023. And while those are all "GSM" phones, the radios do not work on each other's 3G networks.
I agree if there is danger of easily flashing something by mistake that will brick your phone, make them separate. And when I was first planning on getting a Nexus, I wanted the same thing. But the truth is, now that I've had a Nexus for almost a month, it would suck to have all the variants split up. The ideal solution would be to all stick together to keep the community of developers larger and to have ROMs and kernels that are easily compatible or at least easily compiled for multiple devices (then each dev thread could just link to each version).
Maybe that won't work, but so far, the 4G "dev" section would have a total of like two threads in it. So why not just wait and see what happens?
rougegoat said:
So looking through the development subforum I noticed that there's a lot of roms there that will probably not work completely for the NS4G. Should there be a separate development subforum for the NS4g? This would make it easier to determine at a glance if the rom is compatible with the phone. It may at the very least help reduce questions from people new to rooting.
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this might be true, we may need a separate (sub)forum for the NS4G. this phone is still very new and the developers haven't completely dissected the phones software differences yet. Netarchy has already put out a kernel that is compatible for both phones, who's to say that once the differences get sorted out that a rom can't be universal. it would be nice to have one big NS development scene instead of splitting it in two.
just my two cents
I have to agree with joeB on that one
All, just FTR I started this after seeing several ROMs reported as not working with the NS4G. This is assuming that there is some reason why the two aren't completely compatible. If they are, then by all means we should keep the layout the same as it is. I literally just got mine so I haven't had a chance to root or test it, so I'm not a good judge of that fact.
I'll update the first post with the suggestions posted in previous comments.
Not sure if it's been mentioned, but there's separate boards for the gsm hero/ cdma hero :/ seems like we need different forums
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I agree, all these NS4G'ers walking in like they own the place, laying down their threads and disrupting the nice order of things!
matt2053 said:
I'm not so sure that is 100% certain yet.
Support for the Nexus 4G was just added into AOSP Gingerbread branch in 2.3.4. So far none of the custom ROMs like CyanogenMod or MIUI have fully merged 2.3.4 into their code base.
There is a chance we will see "universal" ROMs that will work.
Remember, there were three Nexus S devices even before the 4G: i9020T, i9020A, and i9023. And while those are all "GSM" phones, the radios do not work on each other's 3G networks.
I agree if there is danger of easily flashing something by mistake that will brick your phone, make them separate. And when I was first planning on getting a Nexus, I wanted the same thing. But the truth is, now that I've had a Nexus for almost a month, it would suck to have all the variants split up. The ideal solution would be to all stick together to keep the community of developers larger and to have ROMs and kernels that are easily compatible or at least easily compiled for multiple devices (then each dev thread could just link to each version).
Maybe that won't work, but so far, the 4G "dev" section would have a total of like two threads in it. So why not just wait and see what happens?
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SuperAosp 8.0 is a complete 2.3.4 custom rom.
We need a NS4G user to extract their radio kernel (D720SPRKD8) So it can be tried out using a custom rom that is fully 2.3.4 such as SuperAosp 8.0
Here is the thread that it needs to be added to:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=975105
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I vote for 2 sub / sub forums i.e.
xda-developers > Samsung Nexus S > Nexus S Development
xda-developers > Samsung Nexus S > Nexus S 4G Development
Keeping everything else under the same hat. The roms will have to be different but not the kernels and the rest should be generally the same.
Yes. Sprint Nexus S 4G needs it's own subforum.
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Maybe instead of creating deeper and deeper branches of a forum that's already way too branched, people and mods could be smart and label things appropriately.
Now that I have s-off, I'm wondering what rom is everyone using? I'm mainly looking for speed, but I do like the sense 3.0 lockscreen.
Any thoughts?
LeeDROiD Sensational V1.0 - 22nd July | APM | CRT | OverScroll | FAST & STABLE
That is my first choice.
Any reason why that would be your first choice?
Close to stock, but rooted and tweaked for performance.
Plus, the developer inspires confidence in me, somehow...
geeez s-off is made public today..
and also the kernel code.. give the deys a few days/weks to cook up something awesome..
Jur1nator said:
geeez s-off is made public today..
and also the kernel code.. give the deys a few days/weks to cook up something awesome..
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But of course!
However, why not have some fun in the meantime, once the original image is backup-ed with clockworkmod?
Theoretically - it should do no harm, that cannot be undone.
Have fun, if flashing constantly with new ROMs is fun for you!
Me personally - I cant wait for an plain android rom AOSP rom that has wifi calling - this is my dream
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Me personally - I cant wait for an plain android rom AOSP rom that has wifi calling - this is my dream
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+1. As long as BT A2DP works.
I want CM7 something or other. I'd love to see a AOSP on this thing. Its such a beast of a phone. All the extra goodies, overclocking, and other stuff that's packed in. Hopefully we get a CM7 on it.
The rom (leedroid) I just flashed on my T-Mobile USA doesn't support RX diversity for the GSM network. So that means your reception will be poorer especially when traveling (mostly all GSM for us T-Mobile users) I tried to deathgrip it and unlike on the stock T-Mobile USA rom, my bars just stayed at 1 instead of switching to the antenna at the top of the phone and bringing me back to 2-3 bars. No RX diversity on 4G from what I can tell. Wait for something that is specifically for T-Mobile USA Sensation 4G users so we can have WiFi calling and RX diversity.
Is there any ROM out here that supports Wifi-Calling yet?
i noticed none of the devs here are from the US.. when will we get a rom optimized for tmous sensation 4g?
I am sure we will see some sick roms in the next few days.
I currently have a sgs2, ordered a sensation with att 3g bands today. I'm so excited that I can get s-off when I receive my sensation and flash different roms
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LeeDroid's ROM seems sick Its tempting to try it out but I see some posting that there is a bit of lag . Oh well, let's give our devs some time to cook up some great roms
Eugene373 should be cooking up something soon.. Can't wait.
sorry for the stupid question but when trying to flash a recovery via rom manager i cannot locate my phone model through the phone list. i assume there is something i missed or i have to wait for the sensation to be added to the list ??
Sorry for the noob question ive been reading around and havent gotten a clear answer, any help is appreciated and thanked
I am waiting for CM7 or MIUI (preferably).
Is CM7 rom the only rom that offer nightly built? Why aren't all rom doing this?
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LeeDroid's ROM seems sick Its tempting to try it out but I see some posting that there is a bit of lag . Oh well, let's give our devs some time to cook up some great roms
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I flashed Leedroid first but couldn't stand the lag, so I jumped over to Android Revolution and...we'll see how it goes :S
heygrl said:
The rom (leedroid) I just flashed on my T-Mobile USA doesn't support RX diversity for the GSM network. So that means your reception will be poorer especially when traveling (mostly all GSM for us T-Mobile users) I tried to deathgrip it and unlike on the stock T-Mobile USA rom, my bars just stayed at 1 instead of switching to the antenna at the top of the phone and bringing me back to 2-3 bars. No RX diversity on 4G from what I can tell. Wait for something that is specifically for T-Mobile USA Sensation 4G users so we can have WiFi calling and RX diversity.
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I may be reading your post wrong but I think your very confused on what Diversity is. It is nothing built into your handset. ALL PHONES WHETHER GSM, UMTS, CDMA, WCDMA, LTE, WiMAX OR WHATEVER SUPPORT DIVERSITY RX. In fact, it's not even a function of your phone. Diversity RX has NOTHING to do with your handset whatsoever!!! You do NOT have 2 antenna's. Diversity is at the cell site. Diversity is having 2 receive antenna's on a tower that are a part of a single sector (there are typically 3 sectors per tower, but can be more depending on the RF design). Anyways, how to put diversity in easy terms. So when your phone is registered on a sector, that sector will have 2 different receive paths originating from 2 different antenna's. What this does is allows the cell site to determine which path has the best (not to be mistaken with strongest, best means best quality) receive path for your phone and then utilizes that path. It's for quality.
Again, you DO NOT have separate antenna's in our cell. Whatever test you trying, is a fluke. Even if you had those, which you don't, that information would be written into the radio image, NOT the OS.
So someone please explain to me how This Is possible. I was under the belief in my understanding of android that this is a BIG NO NO. I do realize and I may not fully understand the similarities and differences between the different versions of the SGS3 but I would think that because of the Radio being different among all of the carriers that Kernels would be totally different as well. I will reference the Fascinate and the Mesmerize for example. Pretty much the same phone but completely different as far as anything and everything development wise. So what it boils down is this
1. Can we flash kernels designed for the At&t, Sprint, or T-Mobile versions of our phone.
2.What versions of the SGS3 can we SAFELY flash Kernels from.
3.How is this possible given the differences in the different phones.(Question for my sake cause I am really curious and hope i can get a good explanation regarding this)
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So someone please explain to me how This Is possible. I was under the belief in my understanding of android that this is a BIG NO NO. I do realize and I may not fully understand the similarities and differences between the different versions of the SGS3 but I would think that because of the Radio being different among all of the carriers that Kernels would be totally different as well. I will reference the Fascinate and the Mesmerize for example. Pretty much the same phone but completely different as far as anything and everything development wise. So what it boils down is this
1. Can we flash kernels designed for the At&t, Sprint, or T-Mobile versions of our phone.
2.What versions of the SGS3 can we SAFELY flash Kernels from.
3.How is this possible given the differences in the different phones.(Question for my sake cause I am really curious and hope i can get a good explanation regarding this)
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There have been some successful instances of sprint kernels being flashed that I've seen, but it is never a great idea to flash kernels not specifically designed for your phone. btw. there are some pretty good kernels available for vzw now
It's a pretty bad idea. There is a very small chance it could work but more than likely it won't boot
arrogantS3 said:
There have been some successful instances of sprint kernels being flashed that I've seen, but it is never a great idea to flash kernels not specifically designed for your phone. btw. there are some pretty good kernels available for vzw now
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And i figured as much. I am just REALLY surprised it worked and I just kinda wanna know why it worked. The technical reasons to be honest. But to play it safe i will just stick with those kernels that have been made for the Verizon version thus far. I am still hesitant using the Sprint Kernel even knowing it works.
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It's a pretty bad idea. There is a very small chance it could work but more than likely it won't boot
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And based of of you saying this and me knowing this is why i ask lol. Cause like arrogant says there have been successful flashes of the Sprint Kernel. Again idk everything there is about Android but i wonder if it possible due to the fact our unlocked bootloader is partially sprint or something along those lines. That is why i was hoping someone would see this and chime in with a technical explanation and then either a go for it, no, or tread with caution. When the phone was being released there was talks of a rom kitchen being established between the carriers and i was hoping that this was a part of that. Meaning that someone who Devs for the AT&T version of the SGS3 can have their rom or kernel ported to Sprint version and then the Verizon and T-Mobile variants. Idk if the kitchen is still a possibility or in the works but it would be cool to see it kernel wise considering most are running AOSP based roms.
I tried to flash att one two days ago, can not turn wifi on....
So, not recommended
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And based of of you saying this and me knowing this is why i ask lol. Cause like arrogant says there have been successful flashes of the Sprint Kernel. Again idk everything there is about Android but i wonder if it possible due to the fact our unlocked bootloader is partially sprint or something along those lines. That is why i was hoping someone would see this and chime in with a technical explanation and then either a go for it, no, or tread with caution. When the phone was being released there was talks of a rom kitchen being established between the carriers and i was hoping that this was a part of that. Meaning that someone who Devs for the AT&T version of the SGS3 can have their rom or kernel ported to Sprint version and then the Verizon and T-Mobile variants. Idk if the kitchen is still a possibility or in the works but it would be cool to see it kernel wise considering most are running AOSP based roms.
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Some kernels could very well work, same as some stock themes for sprint will work with stock roms on verizon (jellybomb domination being one of them) the issue is that some things could be carried over that may not play nice with our phones and vice versa. While it may run perfectly fine, there's a greater risk that it could break something.
I have yet to run an AOSP rom because of the IMEI issues, so i can't really comment on that, but i know if i was going to flash another carriers kernel i would make sure to make a backup first.
So i know our phone is one of the only 3 phones on veriozn that can do surf and talk on 3g .
My question is this : Why is it that not a single jelly bean rom has that feature for it, ( I only tried two ) then i looked in pages of thread using the search feature to find out why, or even in the OP. The only thing I see is couple of people mentioning it, thats all.
Is it RIL related ?
Thanks in advance .
The JellyWiz based roms don't have SVDO yet because they are based on non-verizon roms.
Not sure about the AOSP based JB roms (CM10, AOKP, etc). My blind guess is that it's RIL related.
If you're interested, I'm sure the devs could use another set of eyes and ideas. I remember a call volume issue on the fascinate was solved by the work of someone who didn't start out as a kernel dev, but became one by learning how to solve a problem he thought was important to solve.
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After searching and searching with no results but a "maybe", I need your guys help. I am on Verizon right now but I will be international for most of this year. Right now my phone works great with a GSM chip inserted. Any TW ROM works just fine but AOSP and AOKP seem to be lacking here.
I am a huge fan of AOKP and the 4.2 ROMS right now but I can't use them. Does anyone know of any AOSP or AOKP ROM that has the Global Options open for a GSM chip?
I don't have a definitive answer for you, but I am planning an international trip soon and have looked into this issue a bit and my understanding as of now is that if you want to be able put a GSM SIM in your phone and get data service on it, you need to be running a ROM based on the original Touchwiz firmware. All AOSP ROMs, like CM, AOKP, and Paranoid Android, rely on the same reverse-engineered Radio Interface Layer (RIL) which doesn't enable the global phone option. That's my understanding, at least.
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I don't have a definitive answer for you, but I am planning an international trip soon and have looked into this issue a bit and my understanding as of now is that if you want to be able put a GSM SIM in your phone and get data service on it, you need to be running a ROM based on the original Touchwiz firmware. All AOSP ROMs, like CM, AOKP, and Paranoid Android, rely on the same reverse-engineered Radio Interface Layer (RIL) which doesn't enable the global phone option. That's my understanding, at least.
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Thanks for for confirming this for me. This is the same answer I have come up with so I might trade my verizon s3 for a t-mobile s3 since I plan to sell my contract soon.
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