Okay does anyone have a fix for this? I'm getting pissed. I restored the stock ROM last night, applied S-ON (flashed non-ENG hboot, gfree --secu_set on, etc), it worked all damn night but I did a factory reset to remove all of the last remnants of my personal information so I can send the phone back - well it boots up, I select my screen, go through the entire setup, it works for awhile, then it freezes and reboots into a constant boot loop.
Can someone do this for me?
With the device off, go into bootloader mode (hold down volume down and then press and release power) and get the IMAGE CRC? This is what I have:
hboot: 0x32234DEC
boot: 0xB2031A3F
recovery: 0x5CF7D794
system: 0xAF5C1798
Can someone let me know if any of these values do not match? Or if there are any other ideas?
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EtherealRemnant said:
Okay does anyone have a fix for this? I'm getting pissed. I restored the stock ROM last night, applied S-ON (flashed non-ENG hboot, gfree --secu_set on, etc), it worked all damn night but I did a factory reset to remove all of the last remnants of my personal information so I can send the phone back - well it boots up, I select my screen, go through the entire setup, it works for awhile, then it freezes and reboots into a constant boot loop.
Can someone do this for me?
With the device off, go into bootloader mode (hold down volume down and then press and release power) and get the IMAGE CRC? This is what I have:
hboot: 0x32234DEC
boot: 0xB2031A3F
recovery: 0x5CF7D794
system: 0xAF5C1798
Can someone let me know if any of these values do not match? Or if there are any other ideas?
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try running the pd15img.zip
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I already did. What I figured out is that if I turn wifi on with first boot, it freezes and bootloops - just like the Desire HD/Inspire 4G does with Gingerbread ROMs. It appears the drivers for the MSM8255 are just crap - typical Qualcomm fashion. Its working fine now.
The reason I was turning wifi on before it even finished syncing is because I am affected by the slow HSPA+ bug - a lot of the time I will get 100kbps on this phone, just like on my Inspire which uses the same chip. Hopefully the Tegra 2 has none of these issues.
I take that back - it is doing it every time it reboots, even after a complete PD15IMG reflash...
Anyone have any ideas here?
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So hopefully someone will respond as I'm a new member and can't post directly to the developer forum
I'm trying to install Virtuous Fusion 1.1.6 ROM for mytouch 4g. I'm coming from cyanomogenmod nightly. I followed the instructions on the dev page, but it keeps getting stuck. The steps I took:
1) Backup
2) Reboot to recovery mode
3) Wipe cache, wipe data/factory reset, wipe dalvik
4) Install zip
So it installs successfully, and then I reboot from the recovery menu.
It boots after a little bit to the phone main screen and I let it sit for a few more minutes as per the instructions. This is where the problem occurs.
When I let it sit, the screen goes blank (with the screen-off animation). It sits there for awhile not appearing to be doing anything so I click the trackball wake.. nothing. I click the power button.. nothing. I thought it froze so I battery pull and reboot. Same thing happens. I start over (wipe/reflash) and decide not to battery pull this time.
Same thing happens where it freezes after the screen times out. When I let it sit even longer, it eventually vibrates and reboots by itself, loads to the phone screen, but then sits there after the screen blanks again and appears to do nothing. I let it sit there for >20 minutes and it still seemed to be unresponsive. No response to any physical buttons pressed.
On another attempt, I also tried pulling the ring on the drawer before the screen times out and it goes to some setup screen, but when I click "Next" it just freezes every time.
Also, I tried the same thing with version 1.1.5 before 1.1.6 came out and the exact same thing occurs.
Is there something I am doing wrong? Thanks for the help in advance.
Not that anyone responded, but there is no need anymore. After reflashing to backup, everything started force closing. A soft reboot yielded a frozen mytouch 4g flash screen. In the end the phone bricked itself showing E: cannot mount errors and error formatting /system. Will obtain the eMMC serial later since I did use gfree method.
If your phone will boot to hboot or even recovery then your phone is not bricked. It appears that your recovery is broken. Try flashing a new recovery via fastboot or adb
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I know there are a lot of posts out there and I've looked through most of them, and it seems that even if you can get into recovery or hboot, if you don't have engineering bootloader you can't fix the problem through adb. Or something like that. I don't have eng bootloader, i have the SHIP s-off. I could connect tried adb to fastboot another recovery and it did 'send' OK, but 'FAILED' (remote: not allowed). I've been reading and reading and frankly don't know what else to do but give up.
bochocinco23 said:
If your phone will boot to hboot or even recovery then your phone is not bricked. It appears that your recovery is broken. Try flashing a new recovery via fastboot or adb
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Wrong bochocinco. Your phone is bricked. Some of the MT4G's have a bad eMMc chip. I am assuming you rooted with the g-free method, because that is the only method that works with the bad chip.
I have been searching all morning, but I am unable to find any way to do this.
I got my friends Inspire, purely stock, and it is pretty much bricked.
Only boots to hboot, the menu does not work whatsoever (up, down, or power), if I plug in just the USB it only sits at the charging screen (i dont know if its supposed to do this, as it is not my phone), when I try and flash the stock rom I get a battery is below 30%(error 120) even though the battery is full. I tried to flash the stock rom again(checked md5s multiple times to make sure they were correct) by renaming the rom.zip to pd98img.zip, which seemed to be working until it got to parsing...sd zip where it freezes everytime.
I can't reset battery stats, as I have absolutely no access to the phone.(to fix error 120)
I am kind of at a loss here.
If anyone could help that would be great
was it submerged in water? Sounds like a damaged phone if the buttons aren't working.
I really couldn't tell you. She claims it wasn't and this just happened randomly..
Update: tried to flash an old version of stock rom, fails cause main version is "older" however the buttons work in the failed update screen, but then they stop working when you go to the mason hboot screen.
Sounds like hardware... personally I'd send it to HTC.
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I'm a little stuck as to what to do now. Flashed clear droid 1.2.3 (gb) over clear droid 1.1.51 (froyo) after doing a factory reset and clearing the dalvik cache from clockwork recovery and flashing the recommended radio for gb. The stock mms app was force closing, for which ClearD recommended flashing the radio again... but the phone refuses to go into HBOOT when I hold the power button + the volume down button on startup. It just buzzes a few times and the screen stays black until I release the buttons and then it just boots normally except it gets stuck in airplane mode or refuses to recognize the SIM card until it's rebooted without holding down the volume button.
I did a backup with clockwork and a nandroid I think? If those are the same thing then I did two nandroids I'm thinking I should do another factory + dalvik wipe and flash the backup, but I'd like to get this thing on gingerbread. Any advice as to what I did wrong the first time would be greatly appreciated before I start over.
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I'm a little stuck as to what to do now. Flashed clear droid 1.2.3 (gb) over clear droid 1.1.51 (froyo) after doing a factory reset and clearing the dalvik cache from clockwork recovery and flashing the recommended radio for gb. The stock mms app was force closing, for which ClearD recommended flashing the radio again... but the phone refuses to go into HBOOT when I hold the power button + the volume down button on startup. It just buzzes a few times and the screen stays black until I release the buttons and then it just boots normally except it gets stuck in airplane mode or refuses to recognize the SIM card until it's rebooted without holding down the volume button.
I did a backup with clockwork and a nandroid I think? If those are the same thing then I did two nandroids I'm thinking I should do another factory + dalvik wipe and flash the backup, but I'd like to get this thing on gingerbread. Any advice as to what I did wrong the first time would be greatly appreciated before I start over.
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The good thing about Android (And ClearDroid) is that there are several ways to go about doing things.
Instead of trying the volume down + power trick, try installing the modpack (can be done by installing the zip through Rom Manager like it is a ROM) and then after install, just hold the power button, press "Reboot", then "Reboot into Bootloader" I believe.
If you still wish to try the power down option, make sure that USB Debugging is turned on and that fastboot is turned off in your settings. If still no success, post here and we will keep on troubleshooting. It might be good for others to see the steps we take to get this figured out.
:O thank you for trying to help me, master ClearD! I flashed the modpack like you said, and the sms errors went away However, I still can't get into HBOOT, and there isn't an option to do so in the modded shutdown menu Also, I don't have the option to turn off quick boot?? It's supposed to be in settings>applications>developement, right? And the phone lost the new radio! It went back to 12.56... instead of 12.62... and you said to flash that in HBOOT, so I didn't try doing it from recovery (which I can get into). I tried holding the volume button while the phone rebooted (instead of shutting it down then turning it back on) but that trick didn't work either.
It's a really sweet ROM, just so nobody gets the wrong impression from all my whining thank you for it, ClearD!
To get to the bootloader from the shutdown menu, hit "Restart" then select "Bootloader" from the next menu lol.
Try the latest release, 1.3.0, which has the advanced shutdown menu cooked back in, and the radio is not included in the Rom, it must be flashed separately or else it will stay as it was. Try that and let me know what happens.
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Lol I'm such a tard... found bootloader... can I just put in the disclaimer that this isn't my phone? I'm trying to help a friend, I swear...
I redownloaded the radio and the checksum is 9ad454c7ac2a9bd69d9f0a5200f089b6, which is the checksum for 26.10.04.03_M (froyo radio). I'm confused, I totally downloaded 12.62.60.27P... do u um... have the right file hosted on techsupporteverything.com... when I went into HBOOT it got mad and said I needed an update so I guess that's why I got the OTA radio. Which is fine, really the sms thing was what I wanted to fix and that's all good now but I think you may have the wrong file up.
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Lol I'm such a tard... found bootloader... can I just put in the disclaimer that this isn't my phone? I'm trying to help a friend, I swear...
I redownloaded the radio and the checksum is 9ad454c7ac2a9bd69d9f0a5200f089b6, which is the checksum for 26.10.04.03_M (froyo radio). I'm confused, I totally downloaded 12.62.60.27P... do u um... have the right file hosted on techsupporteverything.com... when I went into HBOOT it got mad and said I needed an update so I guess that's why I got the OTA radio. Which is fine, really the sms thing was what I wanted to fix and that's all good now but I think you may have the wrong file up.
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Lol flash it and see, it should be correct though, I think...
The way the radio flashes is through hboot update, it will always ask you to update if there is any file on your microsd card named PD98IMG.zip that is valid to flash lol. I will double check though.
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Hello all, im fairly new to 'rooting' world and wish my first post wasn't on this, however, i'm not too sure where else to look for help! I believe my phone may be lost, but thought I'd ask before giving up completely. I was running ARHD 3.6.7 rom on my HTC Sensation. rooted, everything working like a charm, til last nite... I d/l and flash the ARHD 3.6.7 Hard Version Brightness Tweak from this post... http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1350580. However, instead of going into recovery, I used rom manager ( I've read at times not to use this for certain things, so guessing this is one of em..noob mistake that may cost me my phone). While in rom manager, the following 2 options were checked, which I think is where I went wrong, 1) wipe data and cache 2) wipe dalvik cache. When my phone rebooted, the old 'android' boot image was showing instead of the 'Beats Audio' from the ARHD Rom. This is where I am at. The phone seems to be stuck at reloading this image over and over. I can not boot into recovery by holding the down volume and power. Any help would be greatly appreciated. Thanks
Chase79 said:
Hello all, im fairly new to 'rooting' world and wish my first post wasn't on this, however, i'm not too sure where else to look for help! I believe my phone may be lost, but thought I'd ask before giving up completely. I was running ARHD 3.6.7 rom on my HTC Sensation. rooted, everything working like a charm, til last nite... I d/l and flash the ARHD 3.6.7 Hard Version Brightness Tweak from this post... http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1350580. However, instead of going into recovery, I used rom manager ( I've read at times not to use this for certain things, so guessing this is one of em..noob mistake that may cost me my phone). While in rom manager, the following 2 options were checked, which I think is where I went wrong, 1) wipe data and cache 2) wipe dalvik cache. When my phone rebooted, the old 'android' boot image was showing instead of the 'Beats Audio' from the ARHD Rom. This is where I am at. The phone seems to be stuck at reloading this image over and over. I can not boot into recovery by holding the down volume and power. Any help would be greatly appreciated. Thanks
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Sholdn't have wiped anything when installing a mod, you need to open your recovery and reinstall ARHD ..if you don't have the .zip on your sdcard then just take it out of the phone and put it into the computer and copy over a .zip
you need to wipe everything before installing the ROM so user the super wipe
All can be found here..
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1098849
Friend I doubt you're bricked. Id say you had a bad install. I'd reinstall and is be happy to walk you through it. So good news is you're not bricked.
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Ok, not bricked is great! However, I do have another question. I have a pretty good uderstanding of what to do once in recovery, my question is ' how do I get there?' When I hold the down volume and power buttons, I still boot to the android screen which I am currently stuck on. I have the zip files I need on my sd card, just can't get to em... Is there another way to get into recovery to wipe and reinstall? Again, thx for the help, this is most definitely a learning experience
Chase79 said:
Ok, not bricked is great! However, I do have another question. I have a pretty good uderstanding of what to do once in recovery, my question is ' how do I get there?' When I hold the down volume and power buttons, I still boot to the android screen which I am currently stuck on. I have the zip files I need on my sd card, just can't get to em... Is there another way to get into recovery to wipe and reinstall? Again, thx for the help, this is most definitely a learning experience
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HAve you tried pulling the battery out, then turning on to recovery
I have tried pulling the battery out, pulling the sd card out, seems like no matter, still loads to android screen. While at this screen, if i hold down power, nothing, phones stays on, if i hold down vol down + power, phone reboots to same screen. Seems like getting into recovery is my real problem...
ARHD doesn't recommend the use of Rom manager if you carefuly read the flashing instructions .further than that I had a problem like that in the past with my HTC desire ,what I did was to follow the unrevoked once again and did everything from the begining eventualy I got the recovery mode and flashed my new rom.maybe be if u follow a similar procedure by reinstalling the revolutionary kit will give u the desired outcome... Maybe sounds a bit odd but it worked for me .I don't think u have anything to lose if u try .your phone isn't bricked though by any means so no worries. Good luck maye
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Chase79 said:
While at this screen, if i hold down power, nothing, phones stays on, if i hold down vol down + power, phone reboots to same screen.
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Do you mean you're pressing volume down and power while your phone is already on ?
K, agreed, nothing to loose, gonna give that a go.. I am having detection issues. When I connect to pc, the device 'android phone' is recognized, but I can't access any files, HTC sync, fastboot for example saying no device connected, please check connection. I assume because the phone will not go past the boot screen? Anyhow, gonna try your suggestion. Thanks!
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Do you mean you're pressing volume down and power while your phone is already on ?
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Yes, I have done both. While the phone is off, I have pressed vol down and power with no luck. I have also tried it while the phone was on (trying anything at that point). Still only going to android boot image.
Is there another way to enter recovery if vol down + power while phone is off doesnt work?
HALLELUJA..... Reboot into recovery successful! Not sure why, but after numerous attempt, I got it. Thx for all the quick replies. Wiping and reflashing now!!
Hey chase. Good job and have a look at coredroid Rom. Beautiful and fast. 2nd charge and at 20 hours at 49% battery left with moderate use.
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I'm having this same issue, I have used super-wipe and tried reflashing no change. still sits at the 'beats audio' flash screen. When I first tried to root the phone I believe i flashed the wrong radio zip but the hboot is version 1.23.0000 radio version is 10.14.9035.01_M whenever i try to reflash hboot or radio zips i get errors usually (status 7). It still boots into hboot and recovery just fine, but I'm not sure whats wrong or how exactly to fix it, any help would be appreciated. If you need any more information just ask. Thanks
messbarger said:
I'm having this same issue, I have used super-wipe and tried reflashing no change. still sits at the 'beats audio' flash screen. When I first tried to root the phone I believe i flashed the wrong radio zip but the hboot is version 1.23.0000 radio version is 10.14.9035.01_M whenever i try to reflash hboot or radio zips i get errors usually (status 7). It still boots into hboot and recovery just fine, but I'm not sure whats wrong or how exactly to fix it, any help would be appreciated. If you need any more information just ask. Thanks
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Did you flash an ICS rom without installing the ICS firmware first?
If this is the case, take out your sd card, copy over the ICS firmware to the root of the sd card, boot into the bootloader, and it'll walk you through updating the firmware.
it says
model id incorrect
update fail!
press <power> to reboot.
i think the radio i tried to flash was for a different phone maybe, but it was in a tutorial to root and install arhd the tutorial said you have to update the radio to use ics. any ideas?
"model id incorrect" <- you need to super CID your phone.
Do you have adb running on your computer?
my bad guys i had supercid i hadnt changed it to 11111111 did that re-wiping and flashing now thanks for the help
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adamgaltress said:
Sholdn't have wiped anything when installing a mod, you need to open your recovery and reinstall ARHD ..if you don't have the .zip on your sdcard then just take it out of the phone and put it into the computer and copy over a .zip
you need to wipe everything before installing the ROM so user the super wipe
All can be found here..
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1098849
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Follow these instructions and you will get your phone back - Had the same problem and this fixed it first time
Its been a while since this last post and I have had same problem today, 2012 March,..Using Htc super tool, while phone is off, and connected to usb cable, open htc super tool, and hit 4, it will cycle and press continue until it auotmatically boots the phone into recovery screen. Hope this helps it worked for me.
HTC Sensation Stuck at boot screen..Bricked?
I had the same issue and I was able to restore and get back to my old version.
As mentioned in
HTML:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1192300
I followed everything, but still I cant flash my device correctly.
Here are my details.
I tried to flash ARHD 6.5.3 XE
-Revolutionary-
PYRAMID PVT SHIP S-OFF RL
HBOOT-1.17.1111
RADIO-10.14.9035.01_M
eMMC-boot
Jun 2 2011, 22:31:39
Has bought from the USA of HTC Inspite 4g (AT&T). Wanted to receive Root, S-OFF, Rom manager with ClockworkMod. Has started to do to change an insertion. Has received goldcard. After an overload phone has started to change an insertion. This process proceeded 2 hours (in the end of process there was a black screen). I have decided to overload phone. Has stopped process. After that problems have begun. Root, S-OFF, Clockworkmod I have received. But after reboot of phone it does not work about 10 minutes. 5 minutes at it absolutely black screen, then the white screen with an inscription of HTC simultaneously work 3 minutes the motor, loading of 2 minutes then begins. Process of switching-on or reboot of phone proceeds 10 minutes. Tried to replace an insertion once again. After that changes nothing. Did before setting of an insertion full surep wipe. It has not helped. I still have a problem. I want to enter into engineering menu HBOOT. I push down+power. I wait for 5 minutes (phone so is overloaded). I enter in HBOOT, but thus buttons (volume up and down, power) any more do not work. As to me to receive normal phone. I can not HBOOT make in it recovery. Where to me to take for HTC INspire 4G (AT&T) PD98IMG.zip. Also help me with the instruction. How to apply this file in RECOVERY.
I'm having a hard time with your English (or is it just fed into google translate?).
It looks like you installed the ENG hboot on a later model device that is incompatible.
You need to get it to boot (it will eventually) and put the newer hboot back on it. You can do this through ADB from a console. Here are the instructions:
http://paste.pocoo.org/show/495273/
@ Gene Poole
I had a hard time with his English too, but I understand exactly what he is saying because I did the same thing. I will try to re-explain it and hopefully someone can help us out.
In a nutshell, it sounds like we both flashed an Engineering HBoot starting with a stock US ATT Inspire 4G that came with Gingerbread. Specifically, what I did was I followed a guide on Cyanogenmod's wiki for the Inspire 4G which gave direction to downgrade to Froyo, root, and setup to use eng hboot. This apparently was a huge mistake. After the downgrade, when rebooting or powering on the phone, nothing would happen for a long time (black screen for 5 - 10 minutes, i.e. phone was off), then, screen would turn on with white background and HTC logo and phone would vibrate non-stop for several minutes, and eventually, phone would turn on. After the downgrade and making it to the home screen, I copied CM7 zip on to the SD card and rebooted into recovery via adb. Same exact weird process happened with phone being off for several minutes, then vibrating, then eventually i made it to cwm recovery. After installing CM7 and rebooting, same crazy startup process and made it into CM7 home screen.
I was hoping once CM7 was installed that the crazy startup process would disappear but it didn't. I saw afterwards in a CM forum that this happened to someone else and they had asked if the wiki could be updated to point to the Ace hack kit guide to rooting the Inspire 4g (which mentions that eng hboot shouldn't be used with the phone I had as configured). I then rebooted into bootloader via adb and after crazy startup and fastboot did not work at all (fastboot devices returned nothing). Further still, no buttons work in hboot at all (Vol Up, Vol Down, Power).
At this point, I could still get into the phone, but I wanted to try to undo everything I did and start over using the Ace hack kit. I then tried to use the Ace hack kit to unroot the phone by using the ATT GB RUU. The process seemed to go pretty far, but after a reboot, the phone never came back, and that's where I am currently. If I start the phone, it does crazy startup but never fully boots...stays on white HTC screen forever...which means I can't use adb (to my knowledge). I was able to get to hboot by putting elastics around volume down button and waiting a very long time, but it looks like hboot is still the eng hboot because none of the buttons work and I can't use fastboot. I was hoping that as part of RUU flashing that hboot would be restored to original one. I put the RUU (PD98IMG.img) on SD card, but again I can't get to it because buttons don't work.
So, it sounds like spv4 above is in a very similar boat. I have no idea what else to try. Only thing I can think of is if it's possible to somehow modify an RUU to start automatically when getting to hboot without any user input.
If anyone has any suggestions, I am more than willing to try anything. Thanks very much.
EDIT: So, as I was typing this post earlier, I had been "sitting" in hboot the whole time. When I was done, I looked at phone and PD98IMG.zip was been applied to phone automatically! Don't know if this was common knowledge or not, but everything updated OK. When it was done, hitting the power button to reboot didn't work, but I just removed battery and when putting it back in, phone booted normally back to what looks like stock RUU. Hopefully this info helps someone else.
JayB059 said:
@ Gene Poole
EDIT: So, as I was typing this post earlier, I had been "sitting" in hboot the whole time. When I was done, I looked at phone and PD98IMG.zip was been applied to phone automatically! Don't know if this was common knowledge or not, but everything updated OK. When it was done, hitting the power button to reboot didn't work, but I just removed battery and when putting it back in, phone booted normally back to what looks like stock RUU. Hopefully this info helps someone else.
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Great! Glad you got it back, but you could have saved a lot of time.
The main problem is that the ENG hboot (or pre-GB hboots) doesn't recognize something in the hardware of the new phones. The end result is that the hboot runs at about 50x slower. It eventually gets booted, and once booted to an OS (either the main OS or the recovery OS) it runs fine since hboot has exited and passed control to the OS. So anytime hboot is in control, things crawl at a snail's pace.
Because the OS runs fine and hboot has exited, it is possible to overwrite the hboot partition from the booted OS. That's what you are doing in the instructions that I posted a few posts back. Once the correct hboot is installed, all is fine.
I agree that someone needs to update the cyanogenmod wiki. It's way out of date.
I'm currently experiencing the same problem.
I followed the instructions on how to downgrade using a goldcard, successfully rooted and i also flashed TrickDroid on it, but every time i turn the device on i have to hold the power button for 20 seconds and wait 10 minutes till the HTC logo appears, then it takes 2 minutes vibrating and i seriously can't deal with this.
can you please tell me how to fix this?
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I'm currently experiencing the same problem.
I followed the instructions on how to downgrade using a goldcard, successfully rooted and i also flashed TrickDroid on it, but every time i turn the device on i have to hold the power button for 20 seconds and wait 10 minutes till the HTC logo appears, then it takes 2 minutes vibrating and i seriously can't deal with this.
can you please tell me how to fix this?
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Find the fix in the guide in my signature....you need to have basic knowledge of adb commands. If you need further help just let me know. :good:
Moved to Q & A section.
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