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So I'll be coming from a S***sung Craptivate after it killed its own memory, resulting in not having enough room to load a back-up or a fresh ROM after a full wipe. (Phone is actually in two pieces, divided straight across the center) I had the phone flashed with a rooted deodexed and lagfixed ROM (Paragon RC6) and undervolted and stock clock speed (1ghz). I also had a different launcher, text based icons, widgetlocker, basically nothing was "stock" about it, but that was out of need, to fix the shutdown problem, the crappy GPS, the crappy sound, the crappy speed, the crappy lag.. etc etc..
I will be buying a Desire when it is back in stock locally, hopefully with tomorrow's shipment. But I have a few questions...
How much different is everything about modding this phone? I've read the guides and the stickies, and liking the Ingersol ROM (with just a battery notification mod, would like it to be white and turn red below 15% instead of the crazy colors it does.)
I only have 3 questions really... but one or more may become more. Please bare with me.
1. It looks like to root I'd have to DOWNGRADE.. what does this downgrade affect, or is an up-to-date version flashed after the root?
2. Can anybody tell me what HTC Sense is all about? Is it the launcher? It seems like a combination of apps already out there but from HTC (Flip to silence for example). What do I lose by going with a non-sense ROM? Also I take it using Desire based ROMs don't use Sense? But why would people want to use a ROM based off a different phone altogether?
3. Gingerbread ROMs (CM7 and the like) were buggier than all hell on the Captivate. Sure it looked good (but that's theming) and was supposed to be fast, but all over the Craptivate develpment forums was posts about widgets/apps not working, not refreshing, or force closing constantly with 2.3.3. A lot of the phones functionality was lost too, like the ability to take pictures, or use it for social networking (Facebook not working..). How do the 2.3.3 ROMs take to the Inspire?
Any help would be greatly appreciated.
Thanks in advanced!
You need to downgrade to get unknown sources back. HTC sense is basically a theme that designed for there phone if I'm not mistaking. The gingerbread themes here are very smooth and good. You will encounter bugs but that will always be fix from the developers
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GTIVRon said:
1. It looks like to root I'd have to DOWNGRADE.. what does this downgrade affect, or is an up-to-date version flashed after the root?
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It only enables the exploit to get S-OFF (think recovery 2e from the Captivate, vs 3e which required signed update.zip's). Once done, you don't have to worry about it again. There are plenty of stock based ROM's like TPC or dilligaf for you to choose from if you so desire.
2. Can anybody tell me what HTC Sense is all about? Is it the launcher? It seems like a combination of apps already out there but from HTC (Flip to silence for example). What do I lose by going with a non-sense ROM? Also I take it using Desire based ROMs don't use Sense? But why would people want to use a ROM based off a different phone altogether?
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Sense is more than the launcher, it is a complete rework of the Android framework, like TouchWiz, but nowhere near as craptacular. It is actually useful. Any HTC sourced ROM will originally have Sense in it, but some HTC ROM's that say "no-sense" have a good chunk of that removed and are more like AOSP Android, but not quite all the way. Then there are other ROM's like CyanogenMod, which are based on actual Google AOSP code and have NO HTC software in them. It really is your choice which to use. I tend to flip between them. My personal favorites are CM7 and RCMixHD 5.9.4. I would flash them both to see what your preference is.
3. Gingerbread ROMs (CM7 and the like) were buggier than all hell on the Captivate. Sure it looked good (but that's theming) and was supposed to be fast, but all over the Craptivate develpment forums was posts about widgets/apps not working, not refreshing, or force closing constantly with 2.3.3. A lot of the phones functionality was lost too, like the ability to take pictures, or use it for social networking (Facebook not working..). How do the 2.3.3 ROMs take to the Inspire?
Any help would be greatly appreciated.
Thanks in advanced!
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They work perfectly, with only the minorest of troubles that tend to be app specific, like the Gmail word wrap issue(which is not even a big deal at all). I haven't used a Froyo ROM in weeks.
And finally, welcome from another former Craptivate user! You will be MUCH happier with this phone.
Thanks!
In terms of stability, "snappiness" (at 1ghz clock speed), and resource consumption/management, is there a noticeable difference between Sense based, and AOSP based ROMs?
I'm also looking for decent battery life. I understand that screen on time and brightness, along with reception are the biggest consumers, but do one of the above based ROMs seem to do a better job of managing power consumption?
I am pretty weary of flashing a GB ROM just because of the numerous compatibility issues that I witnessed on the craptivate forum..
On the RCmix ROM, does it come overclocked by default? It says to use SetCPU to adjust it, so I'm assuming it runs at 1.0 ghz right off the flash? That ROM along with the theme with the white notification bar icons seems to be what I'll be flashing first. Thanks for the helpful information thus far!
GTIVRon said:
Thanks!
In terms of stability, "snappiness" (at 1ghz clock speed), and resource consumption/management, is there a noticeable difference between Sense based, and AOSP based ROMs?
I'm also looking for decent battery life. I understand that screen on time and brightness, along with reception are the biggest consumers, but do one of the above based ROMs seem to do a better job of managing power consumption?
I am pretty weary of flashing a GB ROM just because of the numerous compatibility issues that I witnessed on the craptivate forum..
On the RCmix ROM, does it come overclocked by default? It says to use SetCPU to adjust it, so I'm assuming it runs at 1.0 ghz right off the flash? That ROM along with the theme with the white notification bar icons seems to be what I'll be flashing first. Thanks for the helpful information thus far!
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The only thing about sense that really eats battery is the constant data usage of the HTC sense account, if you don't set up an account, your battery life should be rather good. As far as the gb roms they are all working very well, and you will find a small bug here and there, but all the major roms are very good daily drivers.
Most of the roms here have numorous tweaks for stability and snappiness, and you would probably be pleased with any of the major ones. I would say there is more difference between stock sense and tweaked sense than tweaked sense and no sense as far as performance goes. I ran stock for all of a few hours when I got this phone, and have been on a few roms with and without sense, and all of them have been very snappy and smooth.
Any of the major roms that support clock speed adjustments will use setcpu to adjust it, you can run at basically any speed setcpu lets you(within reason, and check the rom post for exceptions and recomendations) I currently run at a maximum of 1.5ghz on miui and my battery life is just as good as it was running 1.2ghz on android revolution.
And last but not least, don't be afraid of gingerbread here, most major bugs have been worked out and 90% of the problems posted about are due to the installer, not the rom.
Welcome aboard!
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Just an add on note:
Gingerbread sense ROMs do not have overclocking right now. But really they are so butter smooth especially when compared to a captivate. RCMix5.9.3 has no compatibility issues I have found.
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Is there any gingerbread non sense Rom ?
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XAviierG said:
Is there any gingerbread non sense Rom ?
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MIUI and CM7 pop to mind. Those are AOSP sourced.
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id10terrordfw said:
MIUI and CM7 pop to mind. Those are AOSP sourced.
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Those are gingerbread? I thought they werent.
XAviierG said:
Those are gingerbread? I thought they werent.
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Yes they are. 2.3.3.
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Those are gingerbread? I thought they werent.
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Yep they are GB. There is also Ultimate Droid, which I am using now. This is the best ROM I have used so far, but all of them have been rock solid as far as performance goes. I don't think you will find a bad ROM on here. You will recognize some of the devs from the captivate forums.
As for my battery life. I have been unplugged for just over 15hrs and I am down to 21%. That is with 2 push email accounts, 3 hours streaming rhapsody, 2 hours mp3 music, 30 mins of calls, and about 1 hour of browsing/gaming. It also helps that I am on wifi for 90% of the day.
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Yep they are GB. There is also Ultimate Droid, which I am using now. This is the best ROM I have used so far, but all of them have been rock solid as far as performance goes. I don't think you will find a bad ROM on here. You will recognize some of the devs from the captivate forums.
As for my battery life. I have been unplugged for just over 15hrs and I am down to 21%. That is with 2 push email accounts, 3 hours streaming rhapsody, 2 hours mp3 music, 30 mins of calls, and about 1 hour of browsing/gaming. It also helps that I am on wifi for 90% of the day.
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Have you tried Phoenix
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Xaviier my man u may post,but a lot of times your information is short with not much Info.lmao buddy cm7 is pure gingerbread and miui. And htc sense is they user interface...meaning its the over lay on top of android. Without the ui, it would be pure vanillia.sense pretty much makes the experience of using the layout of android a lot more customizable with exclusive sense Widgets,sync options,even that beautiful clock. Kinda like how ur cappy had the touchwiz interface,just a lot better.
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Xaviier my man u may post,but a lot of times your information is short with not much Info.lmao buddy cm7 is pure gingerbread and miui. And htc sense is they user interface...meaning its the over lay on top of android. Without the ui, it would be pure vanillia.sense pretty much makes the experience of using the layout of android a lot more customizable with exclusive sense Widgets,sync options,even that beautiful clock. Kinda like how ur cappy had the touchwiz interface,just a lot better.
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Haha yeah I do post a bit. IM always on my phone and its just everything going on and I try to make It simple. Once again thanks for putting that all out
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Have you tried Phoenix
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Not yet but I plan to. I used Adam's ROMs on my Captivate and they were top notch.
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Not yet but I plan to. I used Adam's ROMs on my Captivate and they were top notch.
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yeah its good. IM currently using the ultimate droid
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Are there any benefits of going with the GB version of RCmix versus the Froyo version? Basically I don't feel comfortable flashing an OS not designed for the device so I'm leaning towards the Froyo based version of that ROM.
Thanks agian for all the help. Really looking forward to this phone. Using a S***sung Mythic for the time being, I can't even type on this phone...
It all depends what theme goes with you.
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Are there any benefits of going with the GB version of RCmix versus the Froyo version? Basically I don't feel comfortable flashing an OS not designed for the device so I'm leaning towards the Froyo based version of that ROM.
Thanks agian for all the help. Really looking forward to this phone. Using a S***sung Mythic for the time being, I can't even type on this phone...
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I've gotten better performance out of the GB ROMs I have used. I believe that ROM is based off the leaked GB for the Desire HD which is the same thing as the Inspire, so you shouldn't have any worries about it not being designed for this phone.
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yeah its good. IM currently using the ultimate droid
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Yea, the UD ROM is really good. I've been on it for the past week or so and it is running like a champ. Making it really hard to switch to something else.
Okay so here's my issue my thunderbolt has been lagging really bad the past few days and I noticed that the system is loaded with a ton of HTC system apps that are using a lot of the memory...on my infuse I just got has the same amount of Apps and looks the exact same with fewer system apps and runs great like my thunderbolt used to...so I am curious if I go with a senseless rom with no sense at all will it increase my thunderbolts speed or will it just hide the HTC system stuff but still use it?
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some quick questions;
are you running a gingerbread rom on your tbolt,
what kernel are you using,
which radio
any of these things can play a big part in the performance of your phone, you dont really have to get rid of sense to become fast again, you just have to find the right combo of (listed above).
I am running liquid thundersense with imoesyon over clocked kernel clocked at 1.4ghz running froyo I am unsure about my radio its been a while sense I flashed it
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If sense is done right, there is no lag. The BS that is in the stock ROM... A whole other story.
If you are stock and rooted you can download root explorer...
Make a backup before doing anything!!!!
Under system/app you can remove the things YOU KNOW are not needed. Like, golf, VZ Nav, etc. Delete the things you want gone. I always remove friendstream, HTC Twitter and both their widgets. Market apps are way better and they both are system and battery vampires.
After you clean house... Reboot into clockwork and clear the cache and dalvik to get rid of the bones left behind.
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I am running liquid thundersense with imoesyon over clocked kernel clocked at 1.4ghz running froyo I am unsure about my radio its been a while sense I flashed it
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i agree with droidtheory about if sense is working correctly it will be with out lag. you may want to consider trying a new rom. my phone runs best on anything the bamf team makes( not saying other roms are bad or anything).
i've gotta ask, why are you still running froyo? i have been on gingerbread since the day bamf released their GB rom, i am currently running bamf3.0 RC3, sense 3.0 is amazingly smooth and awesome.
but if you don't want to change the rom your running, you can(all in recovery) wipe data/cache/dalvik/bat-stats three times each and flash thundersense again. and if you restore with TiBu, or what ever you use, do not restore system data/apps. only restore downloaded apps.
-hope that helps ya
Instead of deleting files/directories, I would suggest grabbing Bloat Freezer from the market. Bloat Freezer hides nonessential apps from the operating system, which serves the same function as deletion. If you freeze something you shouldn't (the phone starts acting weird, new error messages, etc), just unfreeze apps until you get normal function back. You should also check out Autostarts, which prevents apps from launching in the background and sucking battery & network bandwidth.
CM7, the ultimate senseless ROM.
Runs smooth, and is great if you don't mind a couple radio bugs.
So far in my experience with all the custom roms, ive found that the stock kd1 deodexed rom is best. Although quadrant scores arent best i can deal with this roms cpu. Like i dont see any big changes from OC'ing the phone and 1.0 ghz. And you can still do all the tweaks, butbthe theme seems more best for me. I love bionix frost, and the trigger 0.4. Theyre clean and stable. But i always have the urge to go back to stock.
Am i the only one here, or like whats the best set up with a rom?
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I agree i flashed 2.3.3 played with it about 10 mins later founx myself back to stock
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At this point, I prefer stock, as I haven't seen any themes that I really like. I would like to make something using touchwiz, but without all the bright text colors and menu icons. Not as desaturated as black ice though, something in between.
I'd build one, but I can't seem to get APK manager to work correctly. or at least I can't figure out how to point it to the correct location of the adb program in the SDK
Thanks for your agreements guys! Lol i felt like i was loner...
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I will say, I am on Black Ice, Bali v3.2 with fugi tweaks and OC 1.25 GHz, and ext 4 on data only. I notice a huge difference in respone compared without any modding. Now I will say most of that is due to the tweaks and OC and not the ROM, but I would still say a little is due to the ROM since it removes some of the bloat that comes with the stock.
Although, I will admit I added TeleNav back on since Black Ice takes it out since it is such a large app. I don't care for google map directions as much.
I'm running the stock rom + root and deodexed from whitehawkx though, so I was able to remove a ton of the bloatware, and add a few apps to tweak performance, so it has been running great for me, and I'm getting great battery life (nearly 48hrs).
I did remove telenav, only because it launches a background process that runs all the time, even when you aren't using the program.
Oh i didnt oit any tweaks on mine yet! Lol i just like the feeling of stock.
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I'm currently on the Bugless Beast ROM, and it is very stable and pretty much like the name says without bugs, I have yet to have a problem with it.
However I have been thinking of going to MIUI, but I don't know how stable and/or fast it would be compared to my current ROM.
So what is your opinion?
Anyone know?
Almost-stable but..
Too low available memory and low speed makes me use CM9.
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MIUI is not as stable as the ics roms. I sometimes get lag such as the MIUI locker. There is still lots of bug. But it is stable enough for daily use.
But the recent update makes the contacts in small photos. So i switch back to codename android rom.
You can give it a try.
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Thanks, I guess I'll just say with BB, I like ROMs fast and as stable as possible.
Although, according to the ICS ROM Benchmarks Nexus S List, there are two MIUI ROMs in the top five. Catalyst MIUI, one of my favorite ROMs, is a bit laggy. Perhaps, because it has Force GPU Rendering and Keep Launcher in Memory checked but then again I haven't tried it with those settings unchecked.
I would give it a try. It is really a beautiful ROM (something different).
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Although, according to the ICS ROM Benchmarks Nexus S List, there are two MIUI ROMs in the top five. Catalyst MIUI, one of my favorite ROMs, is a bit laggy. Perhaps, because it has Force GPU Rendering and Keep Launcher in Memory checked but then again I haven't tried it with those settings unchecked.
I would give it a try. It is really a beautiful ROM (something different).
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I also love MIUI due to its interface
MIUI is still in early development, so the MIUI team does not optimize the rom so much.
That's why MIUI has sudden lag and is buggy.
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You could try MIUIXperience! It's a great option for MIUI with several tweaks and themes. Awesome ROM with great battery life and performance.
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I'm using catalyst and liking it. But does use a little bit to much memory. Heard super charger helps but looks to confusing for me to try it.
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I'm using catalyst and liking it. But does use a little bit to much memory. Heard super charger helps but looks to confusing for me to try it.
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You should try v6 supercharger,i got 168 free RAM with miui catalyst rev 2 + air kernel 3.9.5 big mem and 70+ apps and games installed.
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I might give it a go then just scared of it lol
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Hey, so i have a question for all of you veterans on here. Im mildly experimental, so i just do the basic flash a rom here and there deal. However, im running hyperdrive rls14 with stock kernel on my Verizon s3. Since it gives me options to have beats audio, aosp email and clocks as well as other great features like the touchwiz motion controls, I've been running it for a few months now.But ive realized its heavy on my battery life, and my phone has been getting hot more often than before. I felt like that partially due to the amount of ram it takes up. So does anyone have any good suggestions as to what i run? Because ive heard things such as pure stock is boring and want to make a good decision.
Try bonestock v3.3 or clean Rom.
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I won't suggest a rom as you can very well have a different experience then me. I am going to suggest some custom kernels and apps to improve your experience on any Touchwiz rom.
Kernels:Kt747, leankernel, and Zeus.
Apps: DS Battery Saver, Carat, Greenify, Wakelock Detector and Kill Media Server.
When I ran Zeus may have wrongly accused it for something some settings did on my phone. But i couldnt figure out how out how to access governors
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Well Zeus already have defaulted settings so there is no need to mess with it.
That is the second time bonestock has been mentioned to me today... How's that compare to touchwiz rims.. Any cool features or is it just smoother
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I have fallen in love with paranoidandroid from notta. I prefer notta's build because it has the kill app button so I never really gave ayysirr's build much thought.
Download ktoonz kernel regardless of the rom you choose, imo.
I used to use pacman but something happened and I switched, don't know why, and I never ended up going back
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Try it out. Bonestock is a stock Rom if you want it to be or you can mix it up with the aroma tweaks. Apparently you don't flash much at all. Anyone that has to ask has never took time to read the initial post of the thread.
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Take some time out to read the op of these roms to see which you would like. Make a backup and start flashing away. Just because someone tells you a rom is good doesn't mean you'll have that same experience.