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Due for an upgrade but what to go for....

Hi guys,
What it is I'm with T-mobile and I've been offer a few tariffs one includes free calls all day to all networks and free txt but not including voicemail or mms for £35pm + a handset on a 24 month contract or the same deal without the phone on a 12 month contract.
Also I was offered I think it's called the flex 35 - 900 minutes + my off peak calls to all networks from 7pm - 12am and all weekend with a handset on a 18 month contract.
The phones I was after Nokia N900 - Samsung Omnia Hd or the Hero, phonehone don't seem to have in stock apparently. Just want to check if my choices of phones are worth holding out for.
I would like the phone to have a large display screen, an easy touchscreen to scroll, not like my current htc diamond with it's lousy touchscreen and crappy internet - also I would like it to have tv-out with the option of play xvids on the phone and finally gps so I can install tomtom.
That's it...

Leo, Topaz or Rhodium are great choices to consider if $ is not the problem

$ really isn't but I kinda wouldn't mind staying away from htc for a year or so. Just check out your recommendations on youtube and it's like I'm still seeing my diamond.

I would not expect the N900 to be available from Operators... At least not in a near future. The reason is that the N900 is a fairly open Linux machine, which includes a root shell, meaning you can do anything you like on software terms. This is normally not what Operators like. They prefer to customize a perfectly good phone to death...
My opinion: either get an iPhone or an HTC.
Reasons:
1) iPhone is a great phone, no matter what people say.
2) You can get a pretty good discount for your phone with a contract. After the contract, the phone is probably still worth more than what you had to pay for it.
3) If you prefer Android or WM, go with an HTC: on this forum you will certainly find customized ROM's to get rid of locks and customisations made by the Operator.
Cheers,
vma

I recommend anything but the iPhone

Go for HTC's many choices...

Well I guess Htc it is, please I really hope the touch screen as improved significantly from the touch diamond. Is there a main one to really consider or as orbit3000 said either: Leo, Topaz or Rhodium?

Well I guess it's really up to the kind of things you want to do with you device, and what size you want your device to be...
- The Leo is huge and has a superb 4.3 inches capacitive touchscreen, which may please you if you are unsatisfied with your diamond touchscreen. Hardware-wise the Leo is a "new generation" phone that can handle a lot. Rumour says that it may get a WM7 upgrade in the future
- Topaz is the Diamond 2 and has a similar size but a larger touchscreen. The hardware is standard HTC with nothing spectacular
- Rhodium is more business-centric with the sliding keyboard for fast typing. It also has some advanced conf-call features that you may like if you use your phone for your work. Hardware is nothing special either, standard Qualcomm 72XX processor
I would suggest you to go in a shop to get a feeling of the size of the three devices as the Leo and the Rhodium are significantly bigger than your old phone.

HTC Hero or BB Storm 2 ?? I'm stuck

I've never owned a BB.
I want a reliable phone that will last me at least 2 years.
note: I take good care of my phones
Storm 2 + for me:
Blackberry messenger, since everyone seems to have it
CAMERA FLASH!!
Battery Life?
BBs are supposed to be reliable right?
Big screen
comes with a big memory card
Android + for me:
the Android OS is fast!
Customizable home screen
5mp camera ( no flash... basically cant take pictures at night)
The size of it
Huge app market, growing
Concerns :
how reliable the surepress of the Storm2 is. Will it crap out on me in a year?
HTC reliablility. I currently own a HTC Touch Diamond and it hasnt been too reliable. But I might fault that to windows mobile and mainly the resistive screen. The screen seems to have problems. But then again, the Hero and S2 both have capacitive screens so thats huge in terms of reliability for me (not sure about surepress though).
ps. I dont like hardware keyboards, they arent comfortable for me to type on.
I'm not a heavy e-mailer.
I want a fun and reliable phone.
Suggestions? Thanks!

Stick with the best: HTC & Android!

galaxys said:
Stick with the best: HTC & Android!
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HTC hasnt really proven to me that they are the best, lol

Go for Hero!!
Just thinking to use blackberry OS make me sick...
HTC as any other company has it's bad times but they deliver great quality products.
Also XDA great support to HTC devices is a plus to consider
Just my opinion

Get Nexus One

raven2000 said:
Get Nexus One
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Not an option.

Wond3r said:
I've never owned a BB.
I want a reliable phone that will last me at least 2 years.
note: I take good care of my phones
Storm 2 + for me:
Blackberry messenger, since everyone seems to have it
CAMERA FLASH!!
Battery Life?
BBs are supposed to be reliable right?
Big screen
comes with a big memory card
Android + for me:
the Android OS is fast!
Customizable home screen
5mp camera ( no flash... basically cant take pictures at night)
The size of it
Huge app market, growing
Concerns :
how reliable the surepress of the Storm2 is. Will it crap out on me in a year?
HTC reliablility. I currently own a HTC Touch Diamond and it hasnt been too reliable. But I might fault that to windows mobile and mainly the resistive screen. The screen seems to have problems. But then again, the Hero and S2 both have capacitive screens so thats huge in terms of reliability for me (not sure about surepress though).
ps. I dont like hardware keyboards, they arent comfortable for me to type on.
I'm not a heavy e-mailer.
I want a fun and reliable phone.
Suggestions? Thanks!
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Blackberry non-touch phones are reliable. Don't know about the Storm series.
HTC Hero, unlike HTC Diamond has better virtual keybaord, better touch screen, better speed performance.
Now comparing HTC to BBS2: The memory card should not be a PRO because you are better comparing the performance of the phone, and not the external goodies that your seller provides. (TIE)
Android does have more programs (I think). Black Berry messenger, depends who where you are and depends on your friends. (Honestly different friends equates to different messengers). My friends in Michigan all used Windows Messenger on the PC. My friends in California use yahoo messenger on the PC. The messenger app, is your choice. Besides you might even find a blackberry messenger program that could work on the HTC Hero. (HTC Wins)
Camera: 5 Megapixels w/o flash vs 3 Megapizels w/ flash (TIE)
Screen Size: Don't be a fool, both screens are approximately the same size. Look at the specs, there is only a .5 inch difference. Not a deal breaker. Can't believe that you said it had a "BIG" screen when you compare it to a phone with a screen almost just as big. (TIE)
Reliability: Storm 2 online support, good but not super technical. HTC Hero online support, very awesome and full of techie people. Storm 2 OS out of the box is reliable I guess. And so is the HTC Hero. But remember that a phone that works with 3rd party software (HTC Hero) becomes very buggy. (HTC Hero Wins).
HTC Hero Size: WTF? You buy a phone just because it's small? Dude, buy a phone because it works. Also, I can fit an HD2 in my pocket it had a 4.5 inch screen, stop acting like it can't fit in your pocket. Why are people complaining that it doesn't fit when it literally fits, and my pants have small pockets!!!! (NO POINTS)
HTC Hero OS and Homescreen: I don't like android, it's still a todler. (NO POINTS)
As you can see, the Blackberry failed to win in any of the categories you mentioned. It only managed to sort of tie with the HTC Hero. But this is my opinion.
Also, both phones suck, and HTC Hero generated too much hype.
I am looking forward to these phones: Blackberry Bold 9700, HTC Nexus, HTC HD2.

Now comparing HTC to BBS2: The memory card should not be a PRO because you are better comparing the performance of the phone, and not the external goodies that your seller provides. (TIE)
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I'm also comparing the deal I get for the money paid to my cell phone provider.
Android does have more programs (I think). Black Berry messenger, depends who where you are and depends on your friends. (Honestly different friends equates to different messengers). My friends in Michigan all used Windows Messenger on the PC. My friends in California use yahoo messenger on the PC. The messenger app, is your choice. Besides you might even find a blackberry messenger program that could work on the HTC Hero. (HTC Wins)
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I think there are more BB apps, since android is still a "toddler" . And do you know what BBM is? It has nothing to do with Windows live or yahoo. With BBM, its almost a text message but its sent through RIM's network directly to another BB device with no delay, and I can also see if the person has read the message or not. It was a variant to text messaging, HTC does not and will not have anything like that. There is also no limit to the number of characters you can type. You dont need to have BBM "running" as it is not an app, it is part of a blackberry device.
Camera: 5 Megapixels w/o flash vs 3 Megapizels w/ flash (TIE)
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You cant see anything with a 5mp camera at night time if it has no flash. It can be 100mp. 3.2 still provides good quality and it can be used at any time of day/night with no problems.
Screen Size: Don't be a fool, both screens are approximately the same size. Look at the specs, there is only a .5 inch difference. Not a deal breaker. Can't believe that you said it had a "BIG" screen when you compare it to a phone with a screen almost just as big. (TIE)
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Um the pluses for each of these phones arent compared to each other, I am simply stating the pluses of each phone individually. The screen IS bigger, and bigger than my Diamond as well. Since the screen IS bigger and they are both capacitive and both display the same number of colours, BB wins. If we're comparing the SIZE of a screen, and one is bigger, how can it be a tie?
Reliability: Storm 2 online support, good but not super technical. HTC Hero online support, very awesome and full of techie people. Storm 2 OS out of the box is reliable I guess. And so is the HTC Hero. But remember that a phone that works with 3rd party software (HTC Hero) becomes very buggy. (HTC Hero Wins).
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Im talking about the reliablity of the HARDWARE. BB has been known to have VERY reliable phones. HTC... not so much, and I own an HTC so I know. But the Hero may be different since its new.
HTC Hero Size: WTF? You buy a phone just because it's small? Dude, buy a phone because it works. Also, I can fit an HD2 in my pocket it had a 4.5 inch screen, stop acting like it can't fit in your pocket. Why are people complaining that it doesn't fit when it literally fits, and my pants have small pockets!!!! (NO POINTS)
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"DUDE" I dont believe I ever mentioned that the phone "cant fit" in my pocket. I said the size is a PLUS because it is thin ...
(lol at HTC HD2 ... forget windows mobile 6.5. We can talk when they release WM7 with capacitive screens and multitouch)

Wond3r said:
I'm also comparing the deal I get for the money paid to my cell phone provider.
I think there are more BB apps, since android is still a "toddler" . And do you know what BBM is? It has nothing to do with Windows live or yahoo. With BBM, its almost a text message but its sent through RIM's network directly to another BB device with no delay, and I can also see if the person has read the message or not. It was a variant to text messaging, HTC does not and will not have anything like that. There is also no limit to the number of characters you can type. You dont need to have BBM "running" as it is not an app, it is part of a blackberry device.
You cant see anything with a 5mp camera at night time if it has no flash. It can be 100mp. 3.2 still provides good quality and it can be used at any time of day/night with no problems.
Um the pluses for each of these phones arent compared to each other, I am simply stating the pluses of each phone individually. The screen IS bigger, and bigger than my Diamond as well. Since the screen IS bigger and they are both capacitive and both display the same number of colours, BB wins. If we're comparing the SIZE of a screen, and one is bigger, how can it be a tie?
Im talking about the reliablity of the HARDWARE. BB has been known to have VERY reliable phones. HTC... not so much, and I own an HTC so I know. But the Hero may be different since its new.
"DUDE" I dont believe I ever mentioned that the phone "cant fit" in my pocket. I said the size is a PLUS because it is thin ...
(lol at HTC HD2 ... forget windows mobile 6.5. We can talk when they release WM7 with capacitive screens and multitouch)
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lol my last comment about the HD2 was done out of spite to the people who hate huge phones.

If I were you, I would definitely go with the Hero, or maybe even wait for the Hero's successor, the Legend (supposedly released March 2010, look at the sticky called "HTC Portfolio 2010" at the top of this subforum for more info). Android is very fast, fun, and customizable OS. In addition, there's a huge community supporting the device here at XDA-Developers, if you're interested in hacking it to the fullest. I haven't heard horrible things about the Storm/Storm II, but I've never heard good things about them either. If it were me in this situation, I would go for the Hero without a doubt.

I looked up the specs of the Legend. The current specs of it wont even work with my provider. I'm soo stuck. The flash on the BB is big for me so I can take pictures whenever. But the interface and function of Android seems more refined. I havent had a good experience with my HTC and I dont know if they have upped their quality. You cant really tell from the hero because it hasnt been out too long but BB is known for the reliable builds of their phones.
Its really tough. Its a big investment for me and I need to know I'll have whichever phone for a while.

I honestly don't own either phone, and have never ventured into Android land. However, I have tried both a Storm and a Storm II... and as for the Storm I felt it to be well... antiquated - when it came out mind you. The Storm II addressed many of the issues with the Storm, but it is a Blackberry that is touch screen. BB has not had a whole lot of experience with touch screens and it shows in their interface, it just felt... well poorly planned. I cannot comment on the Hero, but am eager to try one hah
I hope that kind of helped!

Hero definitely, the only thing that can even come close to an Android phone is the iPhone, and it falls short for me every time.

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Hero definitely, the only thing that can even come close to an Android phone is the iPhone, and it falls short for me every time.
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Come close in what sense though?
The Storm2 will be $100 more expensive for me. But I do get that 16gb sd card, camera flash, and BB reliabilty.
Hero, $100 cheaper, can surf the web away from wifi (will have a small data plan, would only have a social plan on the BB but I would use wifi when needed), ANDROID . .. but not sure on how much it would last me.

Before I bought my HD2, the Blackberry Storm has been my mobile phone for 13 month.
I don't know Android, besides some playing around, but my experience with the blackberry:
The first version (9500/9530) had many problems, mostly because of software flaws. After one year of developement it is now very usable. The built quality seems to be even better on the new device (Storm 2).
If you want to have a phone that simply works, take the Blackberry. There are no software problems, it always does what you expect. With BIS/BES Service for instant mails, the battery will last 3 days. But there is only a small amount of software available for Blackberrys. If you want a phone to play around with, try one with android.
Greetings from Germany and sorry for my bad english...
Sebastian

You're english is fine actually! And thank you for your input. I'm wondering if I could play around with a Storm 2 as well.

Wond3r said:
I looked up the specs of the Legend. The current specs of it wont even work with my provider. I'm soo stuck. The flash on the BB is big for me so I can take pictures whenever. But the interface and function of Android seems more refined. I havent had a good experience with my HTC and I dont know if they have upped their quality. You cant really tell from the hero because it hasnt been out too long but BB is known for the reliable builds of their phones.
Its really tough. Its a big investment for me and I need to know I'll have whichever phone for a while.
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HTC Hero Build Quality is better than Diamond I think. But It's not based on my usage experience, thought I've used the Diamond before. I think, in the U.S. atleast, that the HTC Hero is for higher-end consumers, and the Diamond was a very introductory device that meant to showcase Touch FLO3D. It was the first phone that had that interface, I think.
Diamond is not on-par to HTC Hero. But I tell you this, the HTC Xperia X1 was a fiasco and the build quality is really terrible. I bought this phone for 900 U.S. dollars, and ended up selling it heavily used and scratched for 250.
Considering that at that time, a high end device produced a year or two later had a build quality as crappy as a Diamond and from the same manufacturer, you might think that the Hero is very flimsy.
But you must also consider that the Xperia X1 was also a Sony Ericsson phone. It was built by HTC, but most likely designed or supervised by Sony Ericsson. Now the Xperia X1 is literally an experiment by Sony Ericsson as well as the Diamond an experiment by HTC. To tell you the truth, Sony Ericsson, prior to the production of the Xperia X1, was very inexperienced in the smartphone industry. Sony Ericsson are used to designing and selling walkmans (low-end software phones) and very flashy but very useless phones. But the point is that Xperia X1 was their first phone on THIS CATEGORY (THE SMARTPHONE), and that since it was their first phone, they are likely to mess up on the first try.
Considering that the Diamond was an experimental and introductory Touch FLO3D Phone, it should have been crappy. Now you are right to think that the Diamond was not HTC's first smartphone. But put into context the other aspects. 1) The diamond-like design that HTC had never done before and 2) the Touch FLO3D might originally be reflected by the external, physical design.
HTC Hero has been out for awhile now. But personally I hate HTC Hero and Storm 2. If I were to get an HTC budget phone, it would be the Nexus (based on everyone saying it has a good price for it's value), or the BlackBerry Bold 9700 (because I'm a keyboard lover).
But as for the reliable build of BlackBerries, my sister's BlackBerry Curve is scratched everywhere and lost all of its silver plastic chrome finish. But as for software, I don't think you should worry about issues on these phones.
But as for real software (especially the ones you intend on paying 50 bucks for), get the HTC Hero.

If your friends are all using BBM then really, you need a Blackberry. BBM is one of the main reasons behind the constant increase in device sales for RIM.
The Storm 1 was poor when it came out but after a year of fixes it was okay. The Storm 2 was good from the day it launched. However you really need to try that keyboard again and again to decide if you are happy with the click feature.
Personally I don't think much of the Hero: Small screen, slowish CPU, decent RAM, stupid chin that makes it bigger than it should be. I'm not sure how the Hero compares to the Storm 2 in terms of battery life but the Storm 2 has the bigger battery and Blackberries generally have decent battery life.
I don't know which country you're in or which network you're on but you have to remember that you'll need to have a Blackberry service package as part of your contract. With some networks this will be instead of the normal Data Package and it will also include data and with others you will need it in addition to the normal Data Package if you want to browse the web, etc.
I'm considering the Storm 2 as an option if the HD2 doesn't pan out.

I just got back from the store and tested both phones out.
The Hero does seem like it is built very well (keep in mind, when holding in hand, so does my Diamond) but I found it hard to type on the small screen.
You might say that my Diamond has a smaller screen, which it does, but due to my resistive screen, I use my finernails basically and amd very quick and accurate ... you cant use your fingernails on a capacitive screen.
When I flipped to landscape, the typing was a bit better.
Storm2 .. the typing was muchhhh easier.
but the Anroid interface was very snappy, very nice.

Wond3r said:
I just got back from the store and tested both phones out.
The Hero does seem like it is built very well (keep in mind, when holding in hand, so does my Diamond) but I found it hard to type on the small screen.
You might say that my Diamond has a smaller screen, which it does, but due to my resistive screen, I use my finernails basically and amd very quick and accurate ... you cant use your fingernails on a capacitive screen.
When I flipped to landscape, the typing was a bit better.
Storm2 .. the typing was muchhhh easier.
but the Anroid interface was very snappy, very nice.
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Oh yeah, about the typing. I'm not a fan of touch screen typing and the Storm 2 is better for typing. I don't think it's that the screen is small but that there is no tactile feedback (aside from phone vibrate). In fact buttons on screens are usually bigger then physical buttons.

N900, HD2 or Nexus 1?

I'm not sure if someone has done a thread like this before but I wanted to know your personal experiences on these 3 devices:
1. N900
2. HD2
3. Nexus 1
Only comment if you own the phones and list what you like or don't like about it. Thanks

I have the n900. It is pretty bad ass. I love the multitasking and flash web browsing. I can access sites like justin.tv with no problems. One thing that is lacking is the amount of good apps available. Which is normal considering its still early in its stages. But with flash, anything that available in apps, I can get from a website. I still prefer apps though. Having android withdrawls after recently dropping my g1. The n900 made a great companion to the G1. I now plan to get the N1 when I am availble for upgrade and use that in companion with the n900.

n900
I've had the N900 since it was released. It is an amazing device, but it has quite a few limitations. I was a previous HTC TYTN II owner and a soon to be Touch Pro2 owner. I am thinking about switching to the Touch Pro2 and selling my N900 for a couple of reasons. The N900 is an extremely powerful device with a ton of potential. However, with MeeGo coming out, slow firmware updates, etc. I am not sure that it is the best choice over the HD2 or Nexus One.
Limitations From my POV (reasons I may switch back to WM)
-Sync with Google/Ovi is incomplete/not working unless you use a 3rd party solution
-Landscape only!!! This can get really annoying while doing things such as driving
-Limited app selection - Missing MANY important things: Google Maps is a good example (Ovi Maps isn't very good)
-Maybe not a true smartphone? - The built-in PIM functions feel really limited in scope when compared to WM and S60 (not sure about android)
-Keyboard is OK, but it is a bit cramped - it doesn't slide out very far and it only has 3 rows
-Expensive ~$500 - You can find a Touch Pro2 for as low as $275 or less if you shop around
-The hardware inside is amazing and it 'looks' nice, but the casing feels average if not somewhat cheap for such an expensive device
Other things to think about
-Maemo browser is amazing, but Opera 10 for WM is pretty much just as good, w/ the exception of Flash
-Maemo has a great interface and multi-tasking
-automatic application updates and a good amount of free applications that are centrally located (easy to find)
-N900 has 32GB built in - although 16GB cards and soon 32GB cards will be available soon
-N900's Camera and screen are amazing
Basically what it comes down to is that the N900 has AMAZING hardware specs and performs well, but Maemo is really incomplete and its future on the N900 is unknown with MeeGo coming up. Also don't forget to factor in limited application selection and sync abilities (syncML doesn't exist OTA on N900).
EDIT: I forgot to add, that I guess the main deciding factor in me choosing the Touch Pro2 may have been cost as well. Its hard to carry around something so expensive, worrying about messing it up or losing it. Swapping phones w/ TP2 would save me ~$250. If I were you I'd choose the Nexus One as Android really is looking to be the big future platform to compete with iPhone, but this phone is somewhat expensive as well.

you like carrying around two phones? I hate it, and when I don't use one of my other phones I miss it. I have a HTC Touch HD WM 6.5, NOkia E71 (my love) and just ordered n900. I'm hoping n900 pleases me, if not then I'll go for N1.
Does the n900 lag? someone told me that when you have multiple sms's going, the internet, and music it lags and skips and what not. I hope this isn't the case. I like the actual keyboard, which is one of the main reasons I'm getting it, but I also like N1s voice activated sms and etc. I guess I'll just wait and see!
Thanks for your input

It has a tiny tiny amount of lag when switching programs and all that but its nothing bad at all considering the abilities of the phone (n900).
But I only plan on carrying one device at a time. I just got the touch pro2 so once I decide which to keep I'll sell the other.

well if you're ever interested in the HTC touch HD running WM 6.5 let me know I'm trying to sell mine

I'm very happy with the Nexus One...it rocks! See it's forum section for full details & advantages.

giggles33 said:
you like carrying around two phones? I hate it, and when I don't use one of my other phones I miss it. I have a HTC Touch HD WM 6.5, NOkia E71 (my love) and just ordered n900. I'm hoping n900 pleases me, if not then I'll go for N1.
Does the n900 lag? someone told me that when you have multiple sms's going, the internet, and music it lags and skips and what not. I hope this isn't the case. I like the actual keyboard, which is one of the main reasons I'm getting it, but I also like N1s voice activated sms and etc. I guess I'll just wait and see!
Thanks for your input
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I don't mind carrying around two phones. One is for regular calls and the other is for "business" calls (got to keep the feds off me! ). As for lag, I have not noticed it. I've ran multiple web pages with flash video, AIM, app manager, internet radio and took photos all at the same time with no lag.

I simply loooove the n900!!!

If you want the Nexus One, I suggest you to wait for HTC Desire, it's the HTC version of Nexus One, expect if you love the nexus one design.
PS: N900!

Reccomend a Phone thread

Hi folks, you know the drill, my current phone (an HTC Mogul) is getting past it's usefulness and once more I find myself on a hunt to find a phone that has the most of what I do want and the least of what I don't, in other words the best compremise between the device of my dreams and what's actually avaliable.
Further to this I am limited in funds so not only can I not go out and purchase a brand new top of the line model, the device I do end up getting will hopefully last me for a long time (or at least longer then the 1yr I got out of my Mogul).
Perhaps I should start by looking at why my current phone just doesn't do it for me anymore?
1) No wireless - Ever since I flashed it to 6.5 I have had no wifi.
2) No 3.5mm plug - The HTC proprieity adapter hardly works half the time either.
3) OS - 6.5 WiMo flashed is pretty unstable, I regularly have to reset the device because it locks up or just won't work.
4) QVGA - probably the best I can afford, but I do a lot of reading on this and a higher res would be better for my eyes.
5) CDMA - I really need a quadband simcard capable phone.
So what do I want?
1) Wifi, bluetooth, GPS
2) 2mp camera or better
3) 6.5 Wimo native, preferably with duel boot capibility
4) 3.5 or 2.5mm audio output, or HTCusb that actually works!
5) Keyboard if possible (I really like the qwerty thumboard on my Mogul)
6) WVGA or VGA would be nice, but it might be out of my price point.
7) GSM QUADBAND!
Any reccomendations of models would be nice, thankyou

Go for Rhodium!
Definitely the best hardware device out there
If want to spent less money you can try Rapahel or even less (if you find someone who want to sell) Universal

Thanks for the recc, I will check those two out

I agree with ORB you should go for a Rapahel because it has so many roms to flash and it is cheap compared to the latest devices .

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I agree with ORB you should go for a
Rapahel because it has so many roms to flash and it is cheap compared to the latest devices .
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Hmm, looking at ebay, the Rhod looks like its about $100 more then the Raph
or $300 for the Touch2 and $210 for the Raph.
At those prices it seems like it would be better just to pay the difference?
Also no one will ship to New Zealand

Yes on that case better go for Rhodium
I have seen ebay sellers who ships to almost any part of the world.
Also have a look on marketplace section, you can find very good deals
Good luck,

UPDATE: I bought myself a HTC Rhodium, very happy with it.
Now, I want to buy my GF a new phone for her birthday. Currenty she is using my ****ty old Blue Angel with WiMo 6.1
She uses the phone everyday (carries it around in her bag), but the only thing she does on it is read. She sometimes sends text messages, but usually not. She hasn't really used any of its other features or installed her own programs or anything (she is a programmer, so she does have the skills to do so).
At the moment I'm tossing up between a HTC Diamond, Diamond 2, Touch HD and another Rhodium. I'm leaning more toward the Diamond1 though. We generally try to avoid spending lots and she's more then happy with the PDA2k so even the diamond is a big upgrade and isn't too expensive.
I use my Rhodium to read alot of comics, but at 480x640 the screen should be highres enough to be an improvement. The other reason I'm leaning toward the Diamond is because of it's small size, and easier for her to carry around.
So, my question: Is there anything wrong with the Diamond that I should consider, and are there any other devices with VGA or better resolution in a similar price range that I should take a look?
Also what is the difference between the Touch Pro and the Diamond (besides the keyboard)?

If you need keyboard go for Raphael, if you don´t need it go for Diamond 2, I buyed one in marketplace for 180US a few months ago.
Or take another Rhodium

Why the recommendations for Rapheal? I am ready to put mine through a wall. The keyboard has gone flaky in the last three months...(delete requires holding down, not just press, P has started to not work, space now triple spaces)
In addition the screen started to separate over the 'x' button about two months back, now I hve that leaky black spot you get when screens break. The control pad at bottom has started to have the plastic cover start to come up.
In the last month the phone has decided to start dropping calls and even losing towers completely. (I have not changed anything on phone in over 6 months) I have rebooted the phone at least 10 times in last three weeks because of screen starting lock up, non-responsive push buttons, and complete lost of tower without attempting to reaquire.
This phone is going tits-up recently and I have had it locked to Edge forever because it will not hold a 3G signal in a very large city.
Not a recommend from me.

Thanks for the reccomendatiom - and the non recccomendation ^_^;

(silly extra text because my message was too short)

Ok, at this stage I am leaning toward the HTC Touch. The touch is fatter, but it looks like it has a lot more memory which has surely got to result in a better user experiance. It's about the same price as a diamond as well - I just have to find someone on here to sell a raphael to me.

I have a moderately worn Tmo Touch Pro 2 I'm selling off on ebay later today. Only doing a 3 day auction starting at $0.99. If interested I'll post a link. Pics are great of the scratches so you can probably grab it for $125-$150.

a link sounds good

Willuknight said:
Ok, at this stage I am leaning toward the HTC Touch. The touch is fatter, but it looks like it has a lot more memory which has surely got to result in a better user experiance. It's about the same price as a diamond as well - I just have to find someone on here to sell a raphael to me.
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Oh how I remember my HTC Touch days. That phone & the Mogul were a nightmare for many of us & we couldn't get rid of it fast enough.
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Willuknight said:
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http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=200489715435&ssPageName=STRK:MESELX:IT

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Oh how I remember my HTC Touch days. That phone & the Mogul were a nightmare for many of us & we couldn't get rid of it fast enough.
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What where the main issues you had with it?
I've just upgraded from my mogul to the touch2, and the main issue I had with the mogul was the low res and slow processor compared to the touch 2, but overall it was a good phone.

NEED ANDROID PHONE WITH Qwerty keyboard
I'm looking for a new phone to replace my aging G1 but I dont want to give up the real keyboard. The mytouch slide is nice but it's hardware isn't on par with nexus one or htc incredible. The new Samsung Galaxy S Pro with sprint seems promising but not so sure about community support. I love how with my G1 I have so many options, so many great ROMs from Cyanogen and others on XDA. I'm worried that If I go with a samsung I will have better hardware but very few choices when it comes to moded roms. Is there an alternative phone out there with hardware on par with the latest HTC phones that have a slide out keyboard. Any one care to offer thier opinions??

whats your budget?
android or wimo?

What phone to go for?

edit: for the most up-to-date indecisive rambling, just jump to the most recent post, though feel free to peruse the whole thread.
I understand this is a very difficult question to answer, especially given that no two people's needs are ever quite the same but I'm just looking for some ideas/a sounding board.
I currently have a Touch HD which I have been quite happy with, I really quite like TouchFlo, but it's starting to show it's age and I'm due an upgrade in about a fortnight anyway.
At the moment, given what's available on the market, Android is the only choice IMO.
Don't get me wrong, I have nothing against WinMo/WinPho but I'm not buying a phone that won't be properly upgradeable and therefore, arguably, rendered obsolete in a couple of months and I'm definitely not waiting two months plus for a new phone on the off-chance I like what I see.
As for the rest, Symbian's a joke; Blackberrys aren't my thing; Palm is not an option; and the iPhone, well unless they announce something pretty damned special on Monday, my dislike of iTunes alone is enough to put me off - before we even get onto the flaws with the handset(s)...
In terms of what I want, that's where it all gets a bit difficult.
I can't work out if I want to go for an all-out powerful handset à la the Desire or the upcoming Samsung Galaxy S or if I want something a bit less fancy, the Sony Ericsson X10 Mini being a prime example - trading off absolute power for benefits in terms of size and cost.
My worry about a high-end handset is that I get one, then a month or two, or even a week or two, later, something else comes along that makes me regret my decision - not least the impending WinPho 7 release and all the potentially 'awesome' new handsets that will accompany that.
With the X10 Mini, I'm not too worried about something better arriving in the near-future, I think it's too niche a device to end up with much competition but, having read the review of it on GSMArena, it seems that my biggest concern is the handset's Achilles Heel - the low screen res. If it was even HVGA, I would probably just go for it but QVGA is pushing usability.
Anyway, yeah, I'm just looking to bounce ideas/suggestions around, so if anyone wants to chip in, please feel free.

Nexus one is my phone of choice at the moment. I've just made the jump to Android and this device is nothing short of awesome! The 2.2 upgrade will be rolled out soon which brings several improvements too. (It is available already but this early release isn't very polished yet. I'm waiting for the OTA release).
Unusually for me i'm keeping this device stock, so no custom ROM flashing etc. It's just such an improvement over the WM phones that i'm used to that i don't feel the need to change anything. I could harp on for hours about all the features that makes this such a good device but you should have a look around instead and make your own informed decision. There are lots of good forums devoted to this device but i'd start with the dedicated xda, nexus one section.

Thanks.
If I were going for a high-end Android device, then it would be the Desire and not the Nexus One - partly because I like the Sense UI and partly because I wouldn't entertain the idea of switching to Vodafone, their tariffs aren't competitive and their coverage is poor where I stay.
I have played extensively with the Desire and it is a lovely phone but, as I said previously, I'm concerned that if I upgraded to it, I'd only want to change again when say the Galaxy S comes out or in a couple of months when WinPho 7 arrives.
Obviously, there's a chance that would be the same if I went for the X10 Mini but I would be able to get it on such a cheap deal instead, that the idea of then choosing to shell out for a new device a few months down the line isn't so bad.
I'm also starting to question whether I need all the features that the Desire/Nexus One offers as opposed to merely wanting them.
I bought myself a laptop back in January and, since then, I'm using the web a lot less on my phone, so do I really need something with a huge, high-res screen?
Thanks for the input, it's greatly appreciated (as is anyone else's opinions/ideas), I fear I've a bit of thinking ahead of me yet though...

At the moment, there are a few phones that I'm considering and I'm trying to weigh them all up, so I'd appreciate any input, suggestions or ideas anyone can offer up.
First up, the HTC Desire
Pros:
HTC Sense
Decent CPU and RAM
AMOLED screen
HTC handset - excellent build quality and 2 year warranty
Cons:
No HD video
Screen is only AMOLED, not sAMOLED
It's already sold a lot and, as sad as it is, I don't really like the idea of having the same phone as everyone else
Samsung Galaxy S
Pros:
superAMOLED screen
HD video
CPU that's potentially even more powerful than the Snapdragon in the Desire
Samsung handset - 2 year warranty
Cons:
No HTC Sense
Even worse, it uses Samsung's childish UI
No camera flash - seriously, wtf?
Not yet released
Motorola XT720
Pros:
8MP, HD video, Xenon flash - the best camera on an Android handset just now
480x854 screen resolution - more pixels are never a bad thing
[edit] HDMI out - a real boon for an HD-recording handset [/edit]
Cons:
LCD screen - not even AMOLED, let alone sAMOLED
480x854 screen resolution - non-standard resolution may cause some app compatibility issues
No LED flash for video use - a minor point but the ideal camera phone would have LED and Xenon
Question marks over CPU compared to the Desire or Galaxy S (720MHz OMAP A8 Cortex as opposed to 1GHz Snapdragon/Hummingbird on other handsets)
No HTC Sense
Motorola handset - 1 year warranty, not sure of build quality
Not available until the start of next month
Sony Ericsson X10 Mini
Pros:
Tiny size
Well thought-out UI
Cheap
Sony Ericsson handset - 2 year warranty
TINY!
Cons:
Small screen size and resolution - will have a negative effect on web browsing experience and app compatibility
Only running 1.6 'Donut' with very vague upgrade roadmap
Sony Ericsson handset - questionable build quality, possible (probable?) software issues
LCD screen - not AMOLED or sAMOLED
No HD video
I know it may not seem like it, given the large number of points in the 'Cons' category for it but I'm actually drawn the most to the Motorola handset.
The problem is, having only just been released there's a number of questions I have which I can't as of yet get answers for - for example, the build quality may not be an issue but I won't know that until I can have a play with one, the CPU may not be a downside, etc etc.
Anyway, yeah, any/all input is always welcome.

ideas
i guess your best choice can be galaxy s
but if you give up on browsing(use your laptop instead) then x10mini will be the best...feature wise and price
wish you luck

I do currently use my laptop a lot for web browsing but I'm not prepared to carry it around with me every day on the off-chance I want to go online.
If the X10 Mini had even an HVGA screen instead of QVGA, then it would probably be high enough to just to alleviate my concerns - at least in terms of app compatibility, though obviously for the likes of web browsing it would never match a WVGA (or higher) handset like the others I'm considering.
As for the Galaxy S, the power, screen and HD video do appeal but leaving out a camera flash just seems so unnecessary, almost like they're doing it deliberately.
But, between that and the Samsung UI, it's just enough to sour my feelings towards it.
As I say, against my better judgement, I can't help but like the Motorola handset.
At least, unlike the Desire, by sticking with an LCD screen it should mean it's ok to use in sunlight - obviously AMOLED has it's advantages but unless you make the jump all the way up to sAMOLED then there's still a cloud attached to that silver lining.
And regarding the CPU, while there are question marks over it, I've also heard it suggested that the TI OMAP 3430 CPUs are actually more powerful than the faster-clocked Snapdragon CPUs like the Desire uses, so it could actually be a better handset than the Desire in that respect.
Also, I should probably point out that my plan when I upgrade is to negotiate as low a tariff as I can out of T-Mobile, then if I see a phone I really like partway through the contract term, I'll just buy it.
So, the shorter warranty on the Motorola may not be an issue.
Thanks for your input, even if it doesn't seem like it, it's definitely appreciated.

Ok, so here we are a full 5 months since the last post and I'm still stuck in the same situation - want, almost need, a new phone but don't know what to go for.
Since last time, obviously things have come on a long way.
Symbian has reached the next level, meaning it's only a bit behind everyone else as opposed to significantly behind; Apple announced the iPhone4 which is a nice piece of hardware but the OS and price are too big of a stmubling block; Blackberry have moved on to OS6 but really there's nothing new about it; WinPho7 was released and looks OK but the hardware is just slightly underwhelming.
As for Maemo/Meego, Bada and WebOS, they're not even worth considering IMO.
So that leaves us with the only thing I am sure about, that my next phone will be an Android handset but beyond that I've still not been able to reach a decision.
Looking back at what I was considering before, none of them are still in the running - the Motorola XT720 turned out to be a dud, the X10 Mini was plagued with problems and the Galaxy S and Desire have both been out-done by the Desire HD.
Obviously the daddy just now is the Desire HD.
The best hardware around, the best UI around, there should be no reason to even consider anything else. And yet, I'm just not taken with it, I know I should love it, I know there should be no competition but it's not exciting me.
On the other hand, against all the odds and especially since the XT720 was so poor, I find myself quite taken with the Motorola Defy.
I know that the specs aren't so great but the idea of a ruggedised handset is pretty neat and the size is just a bit more pocketable than the Desire HD's, though that's not my biggest concern.
Going in the other direction, I'm also quite taken by the Samsung Galaxy Tab.
Given how I use my phone making/receiving very few calls, mostly texting and using the internet) a larger device like the Tab is in many ways better-suited to my needs. However, it's biggest advantage is also it's biggest downfall - the larger screen makes the Tab a far less practical device than the likes of the Desire HD or the Defy (I know I said with regards to the Defy that the size difference wasn't my biggest concern but the Tab is a whole order of magnitude larger), to the point that if I decided to use the Tab as a phone, I'd need to get myself a second handset to use on occasions when the Tab's size made it impossible to take with me.
Once again, any/all help will be greatly appreciated.