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Okay, here is my dilema..... My current contract is up, so i have the option of 3 ways to go next...
I've had various Windows Mobile based devices for several years now, i've had the SPV E200, then the SPV M1000 (Himalaya), then the O2 XDA Exec (Universal), then the O2 Mini-s (Wizard) then finally the MDA Vario II (Hermes)
I've had loads of fun with these handsets over the years and thanks to xda-devs have hacked and flashed to my hearts content..... but now i think it's time for a chance...
Do i....
A) Get the next update in the Windows Mobile range, the MDA Vario III (Kaiser)
B) Get an Unlocked Iphone...
C) Get a Iphone clone
D) Something else - if so, please specify... i appreciate your time and opinion.
What do you thiink
imho iphone clones are like a dragqueen few people are really fooled
and it's not the same thing
same thing with many other ui mods for wm they got their look but when the user
start a program or open a dir your back to the wm look
so imho iphone skins are just that skins the thing one see before starting to use the device
if the cool of iphone is what one likes and one can make do with the limitations of features of iphone then get an iphone
if one needs the features of various wm devices then imho putting a skin on it which makes people think it's iphone'ish will make it just that
i require the access of many 3th party apps which i cant get on iphone so i will make do with wm even if some parts of iphones gui is better and cooler then wm
i will not try to make my wm device with whatever lacking it have look like an undead ½ iphone
Apples and oranges
By the looks you know what WM can do for you. Are you happy with it? Does it suit your needs?
Or do you prefer eye-candy with a very slick UI?
Work or fun?
You have a lot of WM software that you paid for?
The choice is yours, really........
P.S.: I do like the I-phone UI, the screen etc., but for me the present version just doesn´t cut it........maybe the next generation I-Phone.
Do you want "use" or "decoration" ?
Iphone is like flash-dating: the initial 3 minutes thing. But it sure is a dating agent; it will probably pull a lot of partners if they are the kind easily impressed by money and looks; I've seen a 40-some guy on a plane do just that! And the girl did not look more than 17. Now a WM phone would probably scare her away. Too techy.
But I like tech things and am waiting for a really good linux phone.
Cheers.
one think i love about iphone is the album art flipping one can do like in itunes but personaly i use a sdcard reader to put music on my device so it would not sync
plus iphone cant use sdcards at all so that would be a limitation too
It depends on what you do with the device.
Do you want MS Exchange push mail, with corporate lookup and full sync of contacts and calendar?
Do you want 3G speed where Wifi is not avail?
Do you want to teather to a laptop?
Do you want video capture and camera controls (zoom, light adjust, etc)?
Do you want Stereo Bluetooth headset support for streaming music and be able to take calls?
If you answered yes to most of these, you should stick with a WM device.
Otherwise, the benefits you will get from the iPhone will be well worth the it. I often will use my iPhone on Wifi to browse the internet instead of my laptop or desktop - it's that good. Really you will need to get your hands on an iPhone and decide. Some people have a hard time going from all those buttons to the "soft" keyboard of the iPhone. I was using a Touch before going to the iPhone as my main phone so the keyboard was an improvement for me.
My .02
2manyphones said:
It depends on what you do with the device.
Do you want MS Exchange push mail, with corporate lookup and full sync of contacts and calendar?
Do you want 3G speed where Wifi is not avail?
Do you want to teather to a laptop?
Do you want video capture and camera controls (zoom, light adjust, etc)?
Do you want Stereo Bluetooth headset support for streaming music and be able to take calls?
If you answered yes to most of these, you should stick with a WM device.
Otherwise, the benefits you will get from the iPhone will be well worth the it. I often will use my iPhone on Wifi to browse the internet instead of my laptop or desktop - it's that good. Really you will need to get your hands on an iPhone and decide. Some people have a hard time going from all those buttons to the "soft" keyboard of the iPhone. I was using a Touch before going to the iPhone as my main phone so the keyboard was an improvement for me.
My .02
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Thanks to everyone who has replied so far, your comments have been very helpful in making up my mind on what to get next.... Iphone, just ordered one !
Now my reasons are this, i've had lots of wm devices as i described in my first post and i think i've ran the course with them in terms of what i can do with them and what they can do for me. PLUS i'm not travelling around alot now for work as i'm more office bound now, so don't need the tomtom anymore. I also think the interface on the iphone is exceptional and after using loads of different themes on the xda, nothing comes close to the polished look and feel. Also, i've got to the point where i don't use any of the added programs i used to on my xda, except from the finger scrolling add ons such as pocketcm, s2sunlock and htc-touchflo cube.....
I hope i have many years of fun with this iphone when it arrives and will keep popping in here from time to time to catch up.....
I mean, I use my wizard for everything...emails appointments, windows live, messenger, but sometime it gives me a headache..
been using it for over a year now, so its kinda like a part of me..
blackberry can do all that right? I mean my emails, appointments, and stuff..
something ill miss tho is d touchscrren...touchflo especially..
so..what do u think?
Might want to wait a bit. Touchscreen Blackberry
Blackberries will do all the office stuff, but finding applications for the BB is much harder.
eg I don't think there is any TomTom for BB devices. If there is a windows live messenger app, it quite possibly is not free.
I have a BB for work and a WM device for personal use and I prefer the WM device. I absolutely hate the new 8800 BB - looks great, but the trackball is pretty useless.
I also administer our companies' BB system, and I can tell you that we have problems all the time with BBs deciding not to relay email - I have never had an issue with my WM device refusing to wireless synch.
What is causing you a headache with your WM device? Stability? Find the right ROM.
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If there is a windows live messenger app, it quite possibly is not free.
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Yup, I think there isn't a free BB MSN client. I use IM+, which works just great (albeit a bit expensive).
IMHO, the BB platform isn't bad. My only gripe with the BB 8800 is the slippery case and the lack of a wrist lace, the too bright trackball (which, fortunately, may be made much less intrusive - see http://forums.crackberry.com/f3/how-remove-clean-your-trackball-3243/ ) and the generally, with third-party apps, a bit sluggish performance. Otherwise, I'm pretty happp with it.
tshizzle said:
something ill miss tho is d touchscrren...touchflo especially..
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the trackball is MUCh better than anything D-pad-based. that is, IMHO, the lack of the touchscreen isn't that bad on trackball-enabled (that is, all newer) BB's.
Hi everyone,
I have always had PalmOS devices and only PDA's, never any smartphones. I've decided that is time to get a smartphone and start carrying only one device, not numerous.
I am going to purchase a ATT Fuze very soon, within the next few weeks. Being someone who has only owned PalmOS devices and only minimally dabbled on WinMo devices, does anyone have any tips for a newbie? Anything I should look out for?
I already know the first thing I have to do is get used to actually "closing" applications. PalmOS doesn't multi task at all.
And one last question, does anyone sync there Fuzes/Touch Pros with Evolution on Linux?
Thanks. I am very excited to be joining the WinMo and HTC community.
Jason
I have switch from Palm TX to HTC Touch Pro one week ago. It was not easy, because everything is so different and so slooow. The first 3 days I was at the edge throuwing the pda out of the window.
Now many things are functioning. But some main things aren't.
The keyboard isnt that good as my faltable minikeyboard for the TX. But I get used to it. It is now a little better than tapping with the stylus.
Internet on the road is quite good after years of blazer browser, But it is not that good as on the Iphone.
Imap wont synchronising folders wich arent the main folder, dont know why.
Dates and todos were deleted on the PDA. Dont know why exactly. Think it is becaus of the feature of letting one device rule on conflicts instead of copiing them. What a feature.
The small screen is really small for working comfortly.
But after solving some problems I am getting used to some nice things:
Twitter
Emailing
games
that are the highlights so far.
If anybody knows how to sychronize subfolders via IMAP I would be happy for some tips...
LG from Hamburg Olaf Bathke
Hamburg?
Are you located in Hamburg, Michigan?
Anyways, thanks for the tips. I'm a little confused about the dates and todos that you mentioned. Could you explain it a little better? I went and looked at the Fuze in an ATT store the other day. My main goal was to check out the size of that screen because the screen on my Lifedrive is huge compared to it. I decided the hi-res of the Fuze made up for it being 75% as big as the Lifedrive's screen.
When I played with the keyboard, it seemed to feel very nice and easy to use for me. I think it because I previously owned a Sony Clie prior to my lifedrive and the keyboard on that was miserable. I also think it is better then the keyboard on the 8125 and the tilt. Just give it some time, I think you'll get used to it more and more. I can learn on a keyboard with just practice. I used to type on my onscreen keyboard with my thumbs on my lifedrive. All of those just take practice.
Which twitter client did you end up using?
Thanks again,
Jason
Germany!
There is a feature synching: If you have one ToDo sychnt on 2 devices (PC & PDA) and both are changed. One Device keep it. I am not sure if the other device deleted it. I have lots of ToDos being dissapeared on my HTCTP. But I could change the ToDos a little (hit space in title) to let them synch on the PDA again. Maybe you can translate this link via bable fish: http://blogs.technet.com/mkorp/archive/2007/06/07/windows-mobile-device-center-6-1-f-r-vista-32-bit.aspx
I use tinyTwitter but I am not sure if its the best out there. Do you have a better tip?
I will definitely take a look at that link when I have time. I actually speak a moderate amount of German. It is a little rusty though.
On palm I used something called MoTwit. It doesn't appear to have a WinMo version.
I'm going to take a look and see if I can find one similar to that. If I do, I will let you know.
How did you like browsing with Blazer on your T|X? It seems the opera browser is far superior to Blazer. How well does the Opera browser download files?
Thanks for all the responses!
Jason
yes let me know.
The blazer ia a piece of #~+-=9
OK thats an ambiguous title I know, sorry, but I needed to start somewhere. I have not been around Mobile Devices for some time, I mess around with Blackberries in work but have not had an HTC device at home for a couple of years.
I had the original XDA and XDA2, the Jasjar (universal) and had the original Orange SPV, which I gave to my son only for him to leave on a wall in a service station 3 days later All were great fun learning apps, unlocking, themes, s/w etc. But I have not had a high spec phone for some time, and to be honest looking at the VAST number of devices it's all a bit overwelming.
So, I am looking for a device that has a qwerty keyboard, touchscreen, OS is not important so long as I can get misc apps working like TomTom, irc, spreadsheet, ftp, and some decent e-mail/calendar s/w. Also a decent music/video player (used to love a DivX app on the universal).
I am UK based, will buy on contract, don't mind waiting a couple of months if there are new devices on the horizon. I don't mind NEW technology, as in, with a few Bugs, so long as the basic stuff works.
GPS is a nice to have but not essential, I would be using it as a phone, so nothing too big, the universal was as big as I would go for something you carry around with you most of the time.
Any thoughts or ideas?
Cheers, Shire
shire29 said:
OK thats an ambiguous title I know, sorry, but I needed to start somewhere. I have not been around Mobile Devices for some time, I mess around with Blackberries in work but have not had an HTC device at home for a couple of years.
I had the original XDA and XDA2, the Jasjar (universal) and had the original Orange SPV, which I gave to my son only for him to leave on a wall in a service station 3 days later All were great fun learning apps, unlocking, themes, s/w etc. But I have not had a high spec phone for some time, and to be honest looking at the VAST number of devices it's all a bit overwelming.
So, I am looking for a device that has a qwerty keyboard, touchscreen, OS is not important so long as I can get misc apps working like TomTom, irc, spreadsheet, ftp, and some decent e-mail/calendar s/w. Also a decent music/video player (used to love a DivX app on the universal).
I am UK based, will buy on contract, don't mind waiting a couple of months if there are new devices on the horizon. I don't mind NEW technology, as in, with a few Bugs, so long as the basic stuff works.
GPS is a nice to have but not essential, I would be using it as a phone, so nothing too big, the universal was as big as I would go for something you carry around with you most of the time.
Any thoughts or ideas?
Cheers, Shire
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If it has to be HTC I would suggest Touch Pro, it has the best keyboard after Universal, and has very nice specs! However, you can forget watching decent DivX or xvid movies without converting them, in fact there is almost no new HTC device that can play back a movie without heavy converting becouse of missing drivers! Sucks I know, but the best HTC device I had was in fact the universal! Also Touch pro as well as other new HTC devices are having problems with the so called GPS lag, search this forum to find out more about it!
However, you should check out the new Sony X1 if keyboard is important to you! I have not tested it, but it should be able to play back movies correctly, and maybe no gps lag?
If however a hardware keyboard is not that important to you, then the Samsung Omnia will be a winner! It is very slick, much like the Iphone, and it has all the drivers, so no problems with anything at all!
Enter here: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=446362
And let´s see what all members think about the best device!
Hope everybody can vote!
Thanks Bro...the best one will be the Rafael, I use to have the original Touch, but I was missing the keyboard and Wi-Fi, and all the other wonders that the Pro has, the Sprint version is decent, could be a little bether, but it's nice to work with!!!
Hello,
I have been recently thinking about changing my HTC Touch Cruise for something newer. To my mind obviously came: HTC HD2, iPhone, Blackberry Storm2.
I know that specifications-wise, HTC wins. BUT...
I have recently experienced the new Blackberry and realized that: the operation system works much quicker and nicer than Windows which HTC uses. It also seems to have less problems -> my current HTC needs a good hard restart once a week or so, because it freezes on more demanding films or some music.
I thought that Windows has much more applications available - well, I am not so sure any more once I realized that thesaurus.com produced their dictionaries for... iPhone and Blackberry. Windows has lost its market and is not taken into account by the newest developers.
I am also wondering whether 4.3'' isn't a little bit too much -> I won't be able to put it into my pocket any longer!
What do you think? HTC seems to have created a very beautiful palmtop, full of great specifications but it has also committed one crucial mistake - it used Windows...
I would be grateful if you could share with me your opinions. Maybe my fear is unjustified and the newest HD2 works perfectly in all the aspects easily beating the competition?
I have to agree with you.
I have been a WM fan for the last 5 years or so and have become disilusioned with the OS. I too was looking for a change and had been watching the LEO. This is indeed a good hardware spec, but imho let down by WM6.5. I decided that I was after a better consumer experiance and opted for the iPhone. Everyone raves about them for a long time now so I decided (after much researching) that I would try one. I have not been let down by it yet. Mind you, I've only had it 3 weeks. I'm taking a punt that in 18 months or so, WM will have caught up or Andriod will have matured, but until then, I'll take a walk on the dark side.
So far I'm loving the fact that is just seems to work and it integrates with my car hifi perfecly. I can now play music and do hands free over Bluetooth. Under WM I could only do handsfree. Surfing the internet is now almost as easy as on my desktop. Safari browser beats anything else I've tried so far. The on screen keyboard was a worry at first, but it's easy to use, especialy in landscap (I have big thumbs). As a music player, well it beats WM any day of the week.
I know I will eventualy hit it's limitations, and when I do I'll consider jailbreaking, much like using custom ROMs from here realy. Untill then I'll keep an eye on the mobile development and look forward to seeing what happens in 18 months.
Good luck with your search, for now I have found my answer, I hope you find yours.
Mav
Personally I'd go for the HD2, as I rank spec more than software. The iPhone is a but too common and its pricing is a far too high for what you get (mins and txts etc). Blackberry has the same problem its too common, I know loads of people with Blackberrys who only use them for Facebook, but if your the kind of person who send and receieves loads of e-mails get a BB as they do it better than WinMo and iPhone.
Alex
Here we go again..........
Leo of course
Well I have been WM for several years and thought I would give the iPhone a trial. A BIG MISTAKE. Its dredful and im getting a HD2 next week.
I thought i'd add my comments to this, i've been predominantly symbian s60 / win mob for years now due to the fact that they "do" everything. But i think its fair to say that windows in all guises comes with the fact that as soon as you start to ask a bit of it, it sticks it's fingers up at you and stops working (symbian too, but to a lesser degree). Usually resulting in a reboot. I recently had an upgrade to do so i started researching into what i might get. In the end, after a spate with symbian, i v much wanted a win mo device but was ever so curious about the iphone. So many ppl couldn't be wrong, right? I was also deeply tempted by the blackberry bold too. I ended up going for the iphone as the upgrade and bought a TP2 as well. I just couldn't do the iphone thing on its own in case i hated it.
Pleasingly, i don't. The iphone is everything a win mo phone isn't, and vica versa. The iphone is completely dependable, never misses a beat, does what it does do perfectly and apart from some of the crazy apps, completely dull. It is frustratingly good. Even multitasking isn't really much of an issue due to push notifications and the like. I'd love to say the screen res is an issue but it never is. Safari is in a league of it's own. But it is dull. I use it as my everyday phone because it's dependable, but i use my TP2 to mess about with, i've had that many different ROM's on it it's silly, i follow forum progress with different things going on with bated breath, excited to see if they can pull this new rom off, or a linux port. It's exciting, i can modify the hell out of it and personalise it my way. I can send files via bluetooth without having to jump through hoops (unlike the iphone).
So, it comes down to what you want it to do, and if you can put up with less or more customization. There is a lot to choose from out there now and it's hard to decide. Look at the palm pre, and droid, and what about the n900 0n maemo?? Whatever you decide, you'll end up with a really good bit of kit, cos the mobile world it going potty with new stuff at the mo.
Just one last note, in defence of win mo, it may be getting a bit left behind in terms of bling, but it still remains one of the most functional os's out there, it's just that the young guns have caught up now.
Hmmm as I don't like iPhone (because everyone has it) and I wouldn't go Sony Ericsson (because I don't believe in their great ability of doing palmtops), I am personally trying to find reasons for continuing with HTC.
1.Is Windows 7 going to be released "soonish", so that if I buy HD2 now I might get some (hopefully) acceptable o/s?
2.There is also Droid Eris / HTC Dragon / HTC Passion / whatever it is called. If it is "HD2 on Google Android 2.0" then the question arises:
------is it just the case of software? If yes, I assume xda-masters will sooner or later allow easy migration between these two systems, or are there any technological obstacles? If this were true then this would be the best option -> One phone if you get bored - you can always swap to another o/s...
3. What was the market response to Android 2.0? What do you guys think about it, as compared with Windows?
I'm using Android at the moment having used WM for the past few years. It's version 1.5 and I'm loving it. Can't wait for 2.0 to come out for the Hero.
It hardly ever needs a reset - it 'just works'
The HD2 is one bad boy! No one knows when Windows 7 going to be released...maybe 3rd Q of 2010. But WM6.5.1 should be a lot sooner for the Leo...
I think its funny that every ppc that htc release, we seem to have this debate "blah" vs iphone, or is "blah" the iphone killer, this has been going on since the touch diamond, personaly i dont think any ppc can be compaired to the iphone, as ppc's are tools with functionality where as the iphone is a toy, it has no real functionality, yeah it looks good and there are lots of apps availble for them but how many of them are useful? and as for "killing" the iphone its clear by now that it has a far too big a fan base to be killed off, anyway thats my 2 cents lol
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I think its funny that every ppc that htc release, we seem to have this debate "blah" vs iphone, or is "blah" the iphone killer, this has been going on since the touch diamond, personaly i dont think any ppc can be compaired to the iphone, as ppc's are tools with functionality where as the iphone is a toy, it has no real functionality, yeah it looks good and there are lots of apps availble for them but how many of them are useful? and as for "killing" the iphone its clear by now that it has a far too big a fan base to be killed off, anyway thats my 2 cents lol
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Well said!
+ 1 for this!
Every new phone and threads start with comparatives...
Very, Very UNFAIR comparison!!!
Seriously, HD2, go against someone ur OWN size (aka Xperia X10, i8910 HD, Motorola Milestone, N900, Acer F1)!
Leave iPhone alone! It's NOT even a smartphone (moreover not even a basic phone as it still lacks some basic phone functionality that people had for over a decade) as it doesn't even do multitasking...
What's "blackberry"?
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