Hi there,
First of all, I could find any definitive answer to this problem, so I'm sorry if it's repeated, anyway please let me know the reference.
I want to use the GPS outdoor the most time the battery allows to me. To do it, I want to save battery when I'm using the GPS powering off other options.
The problem here comes when I power off wifi, bluetooth and phone: Flight Mode gets activated and then GPS cannot be used.
So is there any way to use GPS while all these radios options are off?
If not, which is the way that Polaris will save more battery?:
- Poweroff all except phone, and cancel when asking for PIN
- Poweroff all except wifi
- Poweroff all except bluetooth (I suppose this should be the better, but some "guru" can confirm?)
Thanks in advance and BR.
Hi lince,
A week ago I was flying from Frankfurt. I switched flight mode on and IGO8 in parallel to trace my flight.
GPS worked fine, phone and the rest were down.
Huh?
You had GPS on during airplane flight???
What were you flying? Cessna?
Hope it was not commercial flight in one of those Jumbo Jets. If it was, you should have no signal for GPS - no optical visibility to satelites!
Bodisson said:
Huh?
You had GPS on during airplane flight???
What were you flying? Cessna?
Hope it was not commercial flight in one of those Jumbo Jets. If it was, you should have no signal for GPS - no optical visibility to satelites!
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Hate to correct you dude but I've used my phone gps many times on commercial airliners.
It can sometimes be slow to get a fix, especially with the Qualcomm integrated chip (Sirf III seems to work better) but if you can sit in a window seat, once you got a good signal it works fine.
I've used a medion PNA100, Orbit (Artemis), Orbit2 (Polaris) and Ignito (Diamond) amongst others.
As Kalbust says, the gps works fine in flight mode.
Check this list to see which airlines allow gps receivers to be used while seatbelt signs are OFF.
HTH
Kim
OK, I stand corrected.
No hard feelings...
Hi again.
After some testing I've seen that GPS can stay ON while flight mode is also ON. What made me confused is that TomTom realizes about flight mode and then maintains the screen in grey color, but GPS is still working....
HTH
Hi,
when you're flying try using GPS Cycle Computer , a brilliant piece of software which can be run with the screen turned off and other battery saving features.
The tracks generated can be displayed in Google Maps on the Polaris - Fantabidozi
HTH
GPS flying
I tested it too in a Airbus a320, no window seat. Stock Radio and ROM, iGO 8.
Worked perfectly.
Yeah I fly a lot and it was one of the first things I did when I got my phone. Ran the GPS test tool. Got a fix very fast, was sitting next to the window. I even took a couple of gps location tagged photos of the rockies. I was also picking up some FM radio stations along the way.
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Hi,
I'm off to America soon and thought that leaving the GPS and GPS to Google Earth program running would be quite interesting when I return and load it to Google Earth. However I have two problems....
1. Am I allowed bluetooth switched on while a plane is in the air?
2. Is there a way to extend the 8 hour battery life of my Clip-on GPS, as the flight is 10-11 hours long?
Anyone else ever done this?
Cheers,
M
Hi,
I would guess probably not as you have to have flightmode off to use BT and airlines generally don't allow you to have your cell phone on.
Regards
Nope, you can use bluetooth with flightmode on. Also I don't use it (M2000) as a phone anymore as it's too big, therefore no sim card in there...
hello,
I have my tp for a while now, but didn't use much gps. now i tried google maps and tt7, but it takes up to 10-15 min. to get a fix. How is this possible?? I updated the latest quickgps, but nothing....??
thnx!
HardSPL your phone
Try another Radio
*huh*?
fireblade63 said:
Try another Radio
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How is another radio supposed to fix this problem?! Afaik, the GPS-Receiption has nothing to do with the GSM-Radio nor its firmware....it isnt even controllable by software.
Radios will make a difference with your GSM/DATA strength, GPS reception, Camera smoothness, WiFi, and battery life.
This is what I've been living with for the past year with my Kaiser (and alot more members over there too).
Trying out radios along with ROMs to see which is the best mix.
Radios are not only firmware for the radio chip, it is for all what I have mentioned above, even sound in some cases would disappear.
Just don't forget to HardSPL your device.
You could also try GPSGate to aid GPS fast fix.
Monarch73 said:
How is another radio supposed to fix this problem?! Afaik, the GPS-Receiption has nothing to do with the GSM-Radio nor its firmware....it isnt even controllable by software.
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Work around
Hey,
I was reading the tread here: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=420933
I have the same problem, tt7 takes about 3 mins to get a fix.
Right after i use googlemaps (which gets fix in 10 secs) i start tt7, then it gets a fix in 20 secs.
Now i've installed GPSGate, created a new virtual com port with it and set tt7 to that port. Now I have no issues with tt7
Yeah, GPSGate work like a charm
zSpinner said:
Hey,
I was reading the tread here: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=420933
I have the same problem, tt7 takes about 3 mins to get a fix.
Right after i use googlemaps (which gets fix in 10 secs) i start tt7, then it gets a fix in 20 secs.
Now i've installed GPSGate, created a new virtual com port with it and set tt7 to that port. Now I have no issues with tt7
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Whats GPSGate? Why do you need to run it with tt7? Not sure what its used for. DOes it give faster connection?
oh great, so in other words. to get a function working reliably that should be doing it out of the box on these pricey phones, we have to spend more dosh to get it working.
my gps also works like cack... yes i have tried all the radios..
guess i am another sucker who has to go buy gps gate...
I bought gspgate, and now? what do I need to do?
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oh great, so in other words. to get a function working reliably that should be doing it out of the box on these pricey phones, we have to spend more dosh to get it working.
my gps also works like cack... yes i have tried all the radios..
guess i am another sucker who has to go buy gps gate...
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This is so stupid!!! I'm very angry with HTC. Don't they test in real life their products?!??! Damn it....
i think it is related to powersaving or the gps driver itself is bugging
when you turn off the phone and turn it back on and wait for like 5 minutes to get the gps doing its cold start it works fine. Then i quit tt7 and start it again .. still works fine.. 10 minutes later the phone suspends and i wake it up and suddenly there is no gps. then it finds a gps device and then it finds sattelites and then it got a fix (after way to long time) and then right when it fixes it looses the gps device ..
conclusion: this is has to be some powersaving which makes the gps device doing a cold start again while it is started allready.
i also noticed when you start quickgps and then exit it and go to tomtom it suddenly finds all preloaded sattelites ...
when running advconfig3 the assisted gps is turned off by default and i turned it on. Im going to put it back to default to see if it makes a difference
RayB said:
oh great, so in other words. to get a function working reliably that should be doing it out of the box on these pricey phones, we have to spend more dosh to get it working.
my gps also works like cack... yes i have tried all the radios..
guess i am another sucker who has to go buy gps gate...
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maybe because it is a separate gps receiver... got nothing to do with radio rom nor driver.. the gps has his own..
i also think that, we have to wait for a new gps driver
This really does suck and shame on HTC
yeah, I sold my tytn 2 because of all the problems... now history repeats...
now I do have gps gate, and it sucks even more, what do I need to do, to get it better?
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maybe because it is a separate gps receiver... got nothing to do with radio rom nor driver.. the gps has his own..
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I just stuck the bit in about trying the radios etc because that is what so many people seem to think has an effect on the operation of the handset. If it has nothing to do with the GPS then so be it.
Does not change the fact that it works like cack....
da_jojo said:
i think it is related to powersaving or the gps driver itself is bugging
when you turn off the phone and turn it back on and wait for like 5 minutes to get the gps doing its cold start it works fine. Then i quit tt7 and start it again .. still works fine.. 10 minutes later the phone suspends and i wake it up and suddenly there is no gps. then it finds a gps device and then it finds sattelites and then it got a fix (after way to long time) and then right when it fixes it looses the gps device ..
conclusion: this is has to be some powersaving which makes the gps device doing a cold start again while it is started allready.
i also noticed when you start quickgps and then exit it and go to tomtom it suddenly finds all preloaded sattelites ...
when running advconfig3 the assisted gps is turned off by default and i turned it on. Im going to put it back to default to see if it makes a difference
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Hi,
I had a similar issue with TomTom 6 yesterday.
I had set the Assisted GPS to ON using the AdvancedConfig program. Whilst i was driving, i would get a satellite fix for about 10 secs then it would get lost, resulting in TomTom suspending for about 15 secs, a fix would be found again, TomTom will come back to life, then lose itself after 10 seconds. This cycle repeated itself throughout my journey.
I then set the Assisted GPS back to its default OFF, did a soft reset and started TomTom again and it worked fine after that.
Could some of the issues we are experiencing be related to tinkering with the Assisted GPS setting?
M
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yeah, I sold my tytn 2 because of all the problems... now history repeats...
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same here!
beh, still cant pick up a single satellite using tomtom7 the satellite lock page is completely blank, with a wheel spinning saying: "poor gps reception, are you in door?" (duh)
while i can acquire a lock using iGo 8, just takes a long time... in door
Hey ive unlocked and flashed to a sweet NRG rom and love it. I just want to use google Maps (or something similar) to find my position on a map (turn by turn maybe?). I remember with my iPhone when I first had it the GPS worked great then one day I was never able to get my actual position (just within a certain amount of meters).
Did rogers shut down GPS?
Now on my new phone when I goto "GPS location" in google maps it searches for a satellite but doesnt seem to get my position (0)... Is there a setting I can turn on to allow GPS or do I need to cal rogers and rip on someone? LOL
keep up the great work guys!!!
- Eddy
I just turned 3g on and did the HTC GPS tool. I opened the port and started the test and then menu-Information and I dont seem to have a position.
any ideas guys? seems like rogers problem.
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I just turned 3g on and did the HTC GPS tool. I opened the port and started the test and then menu-Information and I dont seem to have a position.
any ideas guys? seems like rogers problem.
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GPS on the HTC is using the basic GPS Signal coming from satellites. Are u outside or near a window to a fix ?
Look http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Global_Positioning_System
What u used was A-GPS what is assisted GPS with help from Cell Phone provider. It gives faster fix and a pseude gps in buildings.
Go outside with ur cellphone with clear sky view, start the htc gps tool and u should get position fix within some minutes or even seconds. There is no need for 3g because the gps itself does not need any cellphone connection. It takes satellite signals to calculate the position.
When u update quick gps it is faster in the position fix because it already knows some basic sat data. But still no phone connection necessary for using GPS.
The google map u then only see with data (3g or wlan) not because of the GPS but because of the drawed map graphics wich have to be loaded.
ok i will try the outside thing although I have the phone pointed to the window pretty much. Checking rogers website both phones only have a-GPS but I still cant get an actual location on either. Only about a 4 block square or circle.
EDIT: ok i enabled A-GPS on the touch pro and still no luck with google maps. It still seems to be looking for actual GPS
OK im managed to get it working. I changed the port to com5 and scanned found some sat's I had to change the bit thing to 56700 on com5 within google maps. Seems to be working like a charm!
Hello All,
Junior Newb here.
I'm thinking of purchasing an HTC Touch Pro(1) Sprint model from someone here. I am not planning on getting a sub from Sprint. I am purchasing the phone mainly to use as an GPS for when I am motorcycling as I do not have a mounted GPS on the bike. I am unclear on how GPS actually receives its signal? I have read and best I can decypher is GPS units gets their signal from various satellites. I have also read were various cell phone companies have their own spin on GPS software of their own creation? Am I going to be able to use Google maps on this phone and have it do what I want it to do? I am eons behind times,in case you hadn't guessed that by now. Also will the GPS be readable if I have the phone stuck in my chest pocket and pull it out going down the road? Can someone chime in on how long battery life would be with this scenario as well? I know the battery life listed in spec sheets are usually not even close in the real world.
Thanks,
Barry
Right!
GPS works by checking the different time stream data from several satellites - the receiver (in this case the phone) uses this to produce your position (and by changing position over time - speed).
Honestly - for 99.9% of people, this as it is - is useless. You then need to put this info into mapping software. Google maps is ok, but IMO itsnt very good for using while driving (prob much less for while on a bike!). Personally i use tomtom for in car and google for walking (so if you're checking your position & local roads, then riding - stop & repeat then google maps will prob be fine).
If you read more on the forums (and the web in general) you will come across 2 other "types" of GPS:
aGPS - assisted GPS - works by using your known position (roughly) from mobile/cell towers, this allows the GPS receiver to get a lock quicker.
quickGPS - this downloads the almanac data from the web so youre device knows where the satellites are. If you dont do this, it will download the data from the satellites themselves, but this takes longer.
Neither are any use on their own - they simply improve GPS lock times (from turning on, to having your position).
Battery life - depends on many things including your rom & radio, software, battery condition etc etc.
Remember - for google maps to work you will need a data connection (watch the cost if its not part of a deal).
If all you want is a hand held or bike GPS - then i think you're looking at a very bad choice in the touch pro! if you want a phone, pda, web browser, gps etc etc then it will probably do everything you want.
Ok, I've moved from a Touch Pro to a ex-AT&T Fuze so that I could get 850Mhz band I needed on Telstra (Australia). It's all working awesomely thanks to the guys help here and after a diversion where I had to get my SIM card holder replaced.
Now the remaining glitch is that the GPS is totally unusable Which is a show stopper since I use it a lot. I had it in the car for a 2 hour drive, and it only found one or two satellites the whole time, and they were not strong enough to get a lock. Most of the time it showed zero. Sometimes I eventually get a lock, but it doesn't last.
By comparison the Touch Pro has no problem getting and keeping a GPS lock under the same circumstances (with the two units side by side). They are both running Tael's ROM and the same version of Tomtom. Google Maps has the same issues.
Two possibilities I can think of are:
1) The Fuze has a bad radio ROM and upgrading/downgrading might help
2) When the phone repair place replaced the SIM holder, they didn't connect the GPS aerial correctly - so I'll need to take it back
For #1, I'm a bit doubtful as it is reporting v1.14.25.35, protocol 52.64c.25.35U and this thread seems to rate the GPS reception as one of the best. Also can I put any Raphael radio ROM on the Fuze? Or do I need to find an 850Mhz AT&T one?
#2 is going to be awkward as I'll have to convince them they have done something wrong and get them to repair it free of charge. Can anyone tell me how likely this is? Has anyone pulled one of these units apart? Is the GPS aerial something that they may have just not plugged in?
Any other suggestions would be appreciated. (I'd be over the moon if there was a simple software fix. Anything else I should check? (I have updated QuickGPS with the latest data etc).
Thanks in advance!
I'd say run GPS Test while standing still and wait for a lock - I'm not sure what conditions you've tested in, but I've had experiences in the past with the Fuze (and a magellan) that if you were driving, the thing would take forever to get a lock if you didn't get a lock before moving.
Also; I'm running 1.14.25.05 - I ran .35 for a while, but reverted because NRG uses the .05 rilphone.dll; you could try that....
Thanks for the reply, but I've tried it standing still. Very occasionally I can get a lock, but it takes about 30 minutes, and doesn't seem to matter if I am moving or not. My Touch Pro is running a really old radio (10.x from memory) and it can lock and hold the satellites fine.
Has anyone pulled one of these things apart and can tell me what could be a hardware issue? Is the GPS aerial something which needs to be plugged into the mainboard for example?
Does your quick gps have the correct regional setting? Check HKLM/Software/HTC/QuickGPS. There is a value for region-I'm not sure if it updates automatically or not for your location. All I know is that my fuze's GPS sucked donkey balls in the UK. Normally, it just sucks French Poodle balls. I don't use A-GPS, so that wasn't the issue.
Hmm...ok. I had assumed that A-GPS was the technology, and QuickGPS was HTCs implementation. Are they different things?
Anyway, both the Fuze and the Touch Pro are running exactly the same ROMs (Tael's latest) with the same QuickGPS software and identical registry settings (but different Radio ROMs).
I just did a refresh of the QuickGPS data and put them side by side on my balcony for about 10 mins. Ran Tomtom with the GPS diag screen. Not a great view of the cloudy sky, but...
Touch Pro:
Shows a number of satellites, and finds reception from 3 or 4. The dots move around the compass a bit. Not as many detected initially (grey dots down the bottom of the screen is only about 10). Still can get a signal from one satellite sitting inside on my couch.
Fuze:
Full bottom row of grey dots, but didn't get any signal from a single satellite the whole time. Nothing. Also, the positions of the satellites on the compass seem to be in different places than the Touch Pro.
Re the region settings... the registry on both devices doesn't have this entry. There is a curRegion=dword:00000000, but no region at all. I'm wondering why this would be needed since the Touch Pro doesn't have it either and seems to work, but suggestions are welcome.
I notice there is no Services key either, like I found in some other posts. eg:
[HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\Services\QuickGPS]
"Keep"=dword:00000001
"Index"=dword:00000000
"Order"=dword:000000FF
"DisplayName"="QuickGPS app service"
"Description"="dll for icon in TodayScreen"
"Context"=dword:00000000
"Dll"="GPSAux.dll"
"Prefix"="GUX"
Again, the Touch Pro is working fine without this, but is this still needed in modern ROMs?
Still wondering if this is a hardware problem. Can anyone tell me how likely it is that the phone repair guys forgot to plug an aerial in or something?
Also, is there any better GPS diag software or is Tomtom the best bet?
Thanks.
A-GPS and QuickGPS are unrelated. A-GPS uses cell towers to help get a fix. If you've got the same roms on each device, I'd guess they're working the same. I think the gpsaux.dll service just warns you when the data expires, but I'm not 100% sure of that.
Try different radios; that's all I can suggest. The GPS on my fuze pretty much blows, so you're not alone.
Ok...how do I turn AGPS on again then?
By "pretty much blows" I assume you don't mean you can drive on an open freeway for 2 hours with clear skys and only faintly see one satellite the whole time do you?
I was kinda happy with the GPS on the Touch Pro even though it would sometimes take until the end of my street to get a lock.
Wonder if I should do a hard reset before taking it back to the repair shop... sigh.
You can turn A-GPS on with advanced config, and also enable logging, which will tell you if it's working or not. These are the keys for logging (I don't use it, so mine are blank).
Code:
[HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\System\CurrentControlSet\GPS Intermediate Driver]
"MaxLogFileSize"=dword:00000000
"OldLogFile"=""
"CurrentLogFile"=""
I think that A-GPS is HKLM\software\HTC\SUPL-AGPS\enabled=1, or something like that.
I used to get pretty good cold locks, like in less than 2 min reliably, but now it seems to take forever, as much as 30 min. It seems like my gps has gotten worse over time. Once it's locked, it works fine, though.
Ah yep - thanks. Advanced Config says "Assisted GPS = Yes". It's logging, but for some reason I can never open the log file (error, cannot be opened). The backup log file opens, but I'm not sure how to read it. About 4 lines with seemingly random text and lots of commas...
Ok, this is still not working...
I took it back to the repair place, who opened it up, did a visual inspection and told me there was nothing wrong with the hardware. They said it is a software problem (which it may be, but faaarked if I can work out what)
I have downloaded the HTC GPS Tool. I don't exactly know what the log data that it shows is, but I'm guessing since it seems to connect ok to COM4 that it is finding the GPS chip in my phone, just not getting anything useful as far as a signal goes.
Does anyone know how to read the logging data from this tool? I'm guessing that just because it is receiving data doesn't mean that it can see any satellites (since it performs just as well indoors)
Next I tried loading 'Raphael Radio 1.08.25.20M1' and the relevant Rilphone cab - when I read up about Rilphone cabs I started to wonder if that was the source of the problem, since I assume TEAL's ROM doesn't include the specific version for my radio. No luck though.
Next I put on the latest TEAL ROM, mainly just to set everything back to defaults in case I had screwed anything up. Updated the QuickGPS and then spent ages standing on the side of the road with my fingers crossed...
Nothing. Not a single satellite signal.
Any suggestions? Otherwise I'm going to have to buy a new phone. Should I keep trying different radio ROMs? Is there any way to check the hardware is actually ok?
I don't know if the microsoft gpsid.dll is included in the rom or not, but you could try switching from using the HTC intermediate driver (gpsidhtc.dll) to it. I've been using the gpsid.dll for a few weeks, and it's not worse, but may be better than the HTC one (tough to say, really).
These are the reg keys for gpsid.dll:
Code:
[HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\Drivers\BuiltIn\GPSID]
"Dll"="GPSID.dll"
"Order"=dword:10
"Keep"=dword:1
"Prefix"="GPD"
"Index"=dword:0
"Context"=dword:0
"Flags"=dword:2
[HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\System\CurrentControlSet\GPS Intermediate Driver\Drivers]
[HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\System\CurrentControlSet\GPS Intermediate Driver\Multiplexer]
[HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\System\CurrentControlSet\GPS Intermediate Driver\Multiplexer\ActiveDevice]
"Dll"="GPSID.dll"
"Keep"=dword:1
"Flags"=dword:2
"Context"=dword:12344160
Here are the ones for the HTC driver:
Code:
[-HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\Drivers\BuiltIn\GPSID]
[-HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\System\CurrentControlSet\GPS Intermediate Driver\Drivers]
[-HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\System\CurrentControlSet\GPS Intermediate Driver\Multiplexer]
[-HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\System\CurrentControlSet\GPS Intermediate Driver\Multiplexer\ActiveDevice]
[HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\Drivers\BuiltIn\GPSID]
"Dll"="GPSID_HTC.dll"
"Order"=dword:100
"Keep"=dword:1
"Prefix"="GPD"
"Index"=dword:0
"Context"=dword:0
"IClass"="{A32942B7-920C-486b-B0E6-92A702A99B35}"
If you try it, do a full backup beforehand. I had trouble trying to get the HTC driver reloaded once. You may need a hard reset/restore.