Hey
I installed JFMStudios GPS Performance on my S710 but unfortunately it didn't run on it Said the .exe file couldn't be found or not all modules are available or something like that. Installation went smoothly and I checked the folder there PPCGPS.exe on Program Files/GPS Performance. Still no run.
Could it be because it's made for WM2003...? I have tried googling the web for similar apps but no luck.
Is there other such programs available and if someone has succesfully used JFMStudios' app on Vox please tell me how you did it.
Short description what JFMStudios GPS Performace does:
GPS Performance is a must have application for people with performance cars interested in performance statistics. Using a regular GPS receiver and sophisticated alorythms, GPS Performance is able to accurately measure 1/4 mile dashes and 0..60 timings.
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Not compatible
HTC Vox is not listed as a compatible device. Nor is any other smartphone as far as I can see, so your answer would be no, no chance of getting it to work.
Damn
I take it that there are no similar apps from other developers either?
Until you posted I had not even heard of this particular application. I have to wonder in any case how accurate such measures could be given the inherent lack of precision in the GPS positioning: small variations in the position data across such short timings would have a huge impact on the reported speed and acceleration data. In normal driving conditions i.e. standard navigation programs, any errors in speed are averaged out but for such an application it strikes me that you would not get much time for that. Still, it is an interesting idea.
Good luck in your search!
Hello,
I am new to the forum and also the owner of an HTC Fuze. I have been playing around recently with the GPS on the phone and got me thinking. I live in NY and we have a CORS network of gps base stations that are fed by the use of ntrip.
I was wondering if their was any way to use the gps signal on my phone and the connection to this CORS network to give me sub inch accuracy on my phone...then not sure what I would do with it then. But I do live on a farm and I would like to see some type of precision agricultural use.
I guess I need a way to have the GPS on the phone talk with the GNSS internet radio and then give me spot on guidance and such.
Please let me know your thoughts or if I need to explain better.
Thanks,
Clayton
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Great idea cwrisrey !
That will save the cost of a geodetic device, which is many times the cost of a Fuze. Further, it will lead the accuracy of the buildin GPS into millimum class.
Not dig into this further, would you go further to tell these:
Is that CORS data encrypted?
Is that accessible through public internet or VPN?
Is there copy right or intellectuall property right issue involved? (I don't think so, but better make it clear first)
Once again, great idea. Please do remember to update this thread once you got any progress. Thanks.
More info
Hello wg5566,
This site would probably answer alot of your questions clearer than I could:
http://www6.nysdot.gov/spiderweb/frmIndex.aspx
* Is that CORS data encrypted?
-I don't believe so, I think that it is just a form of compression, to distribute across the internet.
* Is that accessible through public internet or VPN?
Yes, the NYS CORS anyway. It accessible from the public internet (although they require you to register with them) But I believe there are other free streams. I also believe it was modeled after being able to be sent threw GPRS.
* Is there copy right or intellectuall property right issue involved? (I don't think so, but better make it clear first)
-I believe the ntrip is based on a GNU, I think the source code is available. http://igs.bkg.bund.de/index_ntrip_down.htm
Windows CE version:
http://www.ilmb.gov.bc.ca/crgb/gsr/downloads/installGNSS.CAB
Please, let me know your thoughts...
Thanks,
Clayton
My fast thoughts:
First make sure there is no satisfied freeware currently available for WM.
If so please ask a moderator to move this to the development & hackings section. And Add tyis sentence on the title: Call for developers for revolutionary GPS app!
I'm sure somebody here can develop this. You know the geodetic device was invented many years ago with very weak profiles comparing to current WM devices. The hardware on our phone should be capable to deal with these calculations, and the WM Pro platform should be capable to support such an app. Anyway it should not be a biggy for many masters here. But it is a biggy for gps users with high accuracy demand for any reason.
Edit: Did you try install that wince cab on your phone? I think some of WINCE apps can just run on WM. Please backup your data first.
Edit2: I tried to install it on my device, at first it did not show up in start menu, then I found the cab just put files and shortcut in the folder names in French. But there is no registry involved in the cab. Only three files. And then program UI itself is in English. Just run the executable from the folder will go right out of the box. So please try it. I did not try to connect & loggin yet, due to not registered account.
Edit3: Looks like the cab is only access the data from internet, convert the data format and export the data, but we still need a geodetic/gps software to process/use the data.
Disclaimer: I attatched these three files for the only purppose of exchanging software developement infomation. Anybody if download it please do not use it for any purppose other than this. Thanx.
Some thoughts on the subject
Hi All,
The idea of using NTRIP to make a Windows Mobile GPS device sub-meter accurate crossed my mind. After some research I found this thread.
Unfortunately, I haven't been able to find any software capable of doing this. My idea is that it should be possible to accomplish this goal, using a combination of existing tools (which would be really cool!).
As wg5566 notes, there is a (WM) tool called GNSS Internet Radio, which is capable of downloading NTRIP corrections. It turns out this software works, but does have some flaws. Someone wrote another open source tool which is better (?), but unfortunately it isn't built for Windows Mobile (see: http://lefebure.com/software/).
More searching revealed a (dead?) project on codeplex: SharpGPS. It's an unfinished demo. It does however seem to be designed to do exactly what we're suggesting in this thread.
My idea: Completing the WM version of SharpGPS with parts of GNSS Internet radio / lefebure NTRIP client should result in a tool that's capable of upgrading a WM devices' gps signal to sub-meter accuracy through RTK/DGPS corrections over NTRIP.
Any ideas / suggestions about this?
It's already been done for the commercial market
Land surveyors, construction companies, and farmers use RTK GPS and RTK GNSS correction services on a regular basis. Some are free and some are paid subscription. They can be either NTRIP protocol with casters or individual TCP or UDP connections. Examples of software available are Carlson SurvCE and MicroSurvey. Read Carlson's support site for how they deal with the data flow using such networks on SurvCE (Windows Mobile and CE).
I have worked in land surveying using such equipment, and it generally requires dual frequency receivers, RTK corrections, and high quality antennas to achieve 1-2cm 95% CI horizontal precision. The current GPS chips in cell phones are only single frequency and so the best you could expect under ideal conditions is 2'-3' precision using some form of differential correction like WAAS or beacon or DGPS via NTRIP. Under average conditions, the precision will likely be in the 10-20' range. The dual frequency receivers take care of the large errors caused by radio waves traveling through the ionosphere.
Due to the limitations of batteries, antennas, and space for more chips in cellphones, the future of location accuracy will likely include some combination of GPS/GLONASS and cellular radio signal frequency timing calculations from cell towers. True Position, with its U-TDOA technology, is one example of measuring the time differences of cell phone radio waves using cell towers with known coordinates. Rumors (from surveying journals) have it that there are current patents in place that can allow for sub foot precision using such methods when sufficient cell towers are present for multilateration.
Has anyone found success on this topic? WM or Android...
Would be very interested, since there is a free NTRIP feed available in Switzerland... anyone?
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Been there still trying. Problem is no carrier phase off internal gps.
Grimli said:
Hi All,
The idea of using NTRIP to make a Windows Mobile GPS device sub-meter accurate crossed my mind. After some research I found this thread.
As wg5566 notes, there is a (WM) tool called GNSS Internet Radio, which is capable of downloading NTRIP corrections. It turns out this software works, but does have some flaws. Someone wrote another open source tool which is better (?), but unfortunately it isn't built for Windows Mobile (see: /lefebure.com/software/).
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Lance lefebure is a really cool guy I'm sure he wouldn't have any problem building a wm version but it is going to takea lot more than that to get rtk to a cell phone.
Very good ,thanks.
Ed hardy bikini said:
Very good ,thanks.
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If you are confused just ask questions and I will do my best to answer them. I am in the ag industry and deal with RTK networks and different ways of connecting them and tons of different gps units on a daily basis.
Look at this:
http://stakemill.wordpress.com/2010/07/19/ashtech-mobile-mapper-100-supports-esri-arcpad-10-0/
and this:
http://www.ashtech.com/-2359.kjsp?RH=1272644205746&RF=1270806507068
Is that still a phone !?
wg5566 said:
Look at this:
Is that still a phone !?
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Nope PDA with support for external GPS with a builtin reciever that even sees glonass satellites (russian constelation). That was made specifically to do RTK mapping. It does have a GSM radio for data to connect to the cors.
Phone positioning using CORS
To perform a CORS (Network Reference correction we need a GGA stream from the GPS in your device. This allows us to remove the anomalies and provde the correction stream. As phones use a sirf II chip or similar they do not have input capability to output the NMEA stream to achieve this.
This one works great! it will connect to an Rtk receiver and get the nmea string from it or will use the internal GPS to be able to register on the CORS network. It will then stream the corrections over Bluetooth to a receiver or even a repeater radio. It won't however correct the internal GPS. http://antrip.dyndns.biz/Home/DownloadTrial
If you know my Multiplatform Bible of using your handset as a modem, you may already know ICSControl, WalkingHotSpot and WMWifiRouter, the (so far) three applications that make a Wi-Fi access point out of your Windows Mobile phone.
Now, a brand new Wi-Fi access point app, HTC CM Wifi Internet Sharing, has been released by XDA-Developers moderator Noonski. It’s available for download HERE (free XDA-Devs registration needed if you aren’t already a member). The (separate) QVGA version, with the built-in HTC Scroll, is at the bottom of the post. You’ll also want to check out the FAQ.
Compatibility
I’ve, after having very thoroughly tested it on my WinMo phones, started a compatibility list of the app. It’s currently available HERE. Note that, should it exceed the 10kchar limit, I’ll break it into two (or more) parts.
As you can see, there are a lot of model + ROM version combinations that it’s incompatible with (as opposed to, say, WMWifiRouter, which I’ve found compatible with almost everything). If it does not work and neither does WMWifiRouter, then, try installing kliptik’s ICS CAB. I recommend WMWifiRouter to test it against; it has a trial version (HERE). It’s much easier to use / configure than ICSControl and WalkingHotSpot doesn’t have a trial.
Also, Omnia users will want to try the CAB HERE on phones that the new app is incompatible with. (The latter can only be installed on genuine Omnias and nothing else, it seems – that is, don’t even bother installing it on non-Omnias.)
Note that it's fully incompatible with MS Smartphones (WM Standard devices), it seems - don't even bother trying. (See my related report HERE.)
If WMWifiRouter does work but this app doesn’t, then, try consulting my compatibility list to see whether there’re success stories of your phone at all. If there are, check out the ROM version they have and even consider flashing your phone to it. Nevertheless, if you don’t want to go through that torture, just consider shelling out $30 for WMWifiRouter or WalkingHotSpot – or learn to use ICSControl.
Note that some sites have even called the app “a WMWifiRouter killer”. Well, it’s still far-far away from that, particularly on phones that it’s plain incompatible with. And, of course, it can only share the connection via Wi-Fi and not other means (BT, USB).
You always with great stuff to share and learn from!!
Thanks Menneisyys
I´ll test it on my Uni with Tomal wm6.5 and report back.
Cheers,
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You always with great stuff to share and learn from!!
Thanks Menneisyys
I´ll test it on my Uni with Tomal wm6.5 and report back.
Cheers,
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Thanks! I'm more than interested in your results as it didn't work with me.
The nice thing about WMWifiRouter is that it doesn't flag the traffic as tethered, i.e. to the service provider (e.g. att) it looks as if it is simply the device surfing the net. AFAIK the 'normal' / built-in internet connection sharing in WM6.1 flags tethered traffic for the service provider.
Since very few people on this forum probably have the 'tethering enabled' contract, I view that as a key feature.
Does this program do the same?
Menneisyys said:
Thanks! I'm more than interested in your results as it didn't work with me.
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Unfortunately it didn´t work with my Uni
coolVariable said:
The nice thing about WMWifiRouter is that it doesn't flag the traffic as tethered, i.e. to the service provider (e.g. att) it looks as if it is simply the device surfing the net. AFAIK the 'normal' / built-in internet connection sharing in WM6.1 flags tethered traffic for the service provider.
Since very few people on this forum probably have the 'tethering enabled' contract, I view that as a key feature.
Does this program do the same?
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do any applications exist that present themselves in the same manner but can tether over USB as well (to conserve battery life)?
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do any applications exist that present themselves in the same manner but can tether over USB as well (to conserve battery life)?
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WMWifiRouter
I mainly use it via USB
Hi
We all have these wonderful devices we now carry in our pockets
I'm a programmer and have had most every IPAQ PPC there was
So the software is not new or usually present a major obstacle to me
or do I suspect to most people who have had a PC for many years.
What I find as a potential great source of info is the indicators in the task bar
Problem is if I understand correctly there is a limited number of indicators and so several must serve to show multiple states of multiple functions.
The recent addition of a decimal percentage battery indicator was a great
improvement over the battery bar type indicators.
Why not a numerical signal strength indicator??
I'm also unclear not on the differnt types of sinal protocol types
G, H, E, 3G etc (I'm on AT&T)
As far I understand the availability of different signal types
is determined by local availability (cell network) What I would really like clarified is which are preferable or which have dominance over which?
Which are voice which are data?. What choice does the user have in
the prioritising or selection of one over the other?
(what do the damm letters stand for <BG>)
I'd love to get a better understanding of what control and status
is provided by the radio section to the PPC section of the phone.
(if thats a reasonable separation) A very simplistic block diagram
might help?
I've noticed there doesn't seem to be a radio benchmarking program
for our phones?
I sure its not because we don't have a lot of very smart chefs out there,
but I get the feeling its more because its too dependent on a users location and carrier and ???.
Anybody else have any answers or can point me to some info
or possibly a better choice of forum?
I'm sure I'm not the only person interested. I apologise if its
"all just sitting out there" Theres so much info out there it depends on
"which door you enter the maze from" Appreciate any pointers or breadcrums
Thanks
KJL
You have this :
MyDevice - Windows - FieldTest.exe
With this app you can make some measuring network and cell base on towers, 2G and 3G too...
Regards
Hi. I have a HTC BA but i'm not satisfied with this device.
Therefor i have a question:
which of HTC devices would you suggest to me to fit my needs best?
I'm looking for:
- longer battery life (BA's 4h is a mockery, old Nokia 6600 could run 24h with apps running and GPRS on-line)
- RS232 interface (preferably full but at least 2 hardware control lines)
- in the same socket where RS232 is, an external microphone input available in all software (not like in BA, only during the call and only for "phone" app)
- reliable WiFi (connecting with BA takes longer than postal service, next time i'll mail google)
Other hardware optional tho bluetooth and IrDa are welcome.
Please try to support your suggestion with some facts and own experience so i can develop my own opinion basing on them.
Thanks in advance,
Bushman
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Anyone? Anything? C'mon!