Related
EDGE is faster than GPRS, I heard, but but how much?
Is it like compaing 56k dialup to broadband Internet? If I use EDGE, will it suffer the SAME PROBLEM as GPRS, which is, when there is any transfer of data IN PROGRESS, any incoming phone call will not be received?
isomaniac said:
EDGE is faster than GPRS, I heard, but but how much?
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
You may find an answer to this more quickly if you googled for it.
And your 2nd question has been answered before, try a search on this forum for that.
Speed
Edge can allow upto 384 kbps . GPRS only 112kbps. Considering that current 3G services give you only 384kbps max instead of the much touted 2mbps and you need to change your mobile to 3g .
Aaa..Edge is exactly 3 times faster than GPRS...it was a substitute to compete with the data rates from CDMA....of course 3G is the best...for more and more info on Edge, try visitng Nokia Forum...on forum.nokia.com..very nice tech stuff reg the edge
Is there any way to make the Universal compatible with EDGE via modified ROMs or is it a hardware thing?
jvoelcker said:
Is there any way to make the Universal compatible with EDGE via modified ROMs or is it a hardware thing?
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
Latter. And it just seems that HTC thought of EDGE as of useless power-consuming feature when it has UMTS.
Couple of questions/concerns:
1. HSDPA says it is running on MEdiaNet. I have a PDA Personal Unlimited Plan. Doesn't this conflict with what I'm paying for? And saying that they'll "never find out" isn't good for me. If I'm getting something other than what I pay for through questionable means I'd rather not do it. I don't mind tweaking, modding a phone that I purchased, but cheating AT&T is something else.
2. Is it possible that they one day discover that I'm runnning HSDPA and charge me for the extra data I've obtained?
tinpanalley said:
Couple of questions/concerns:
1. HSDPA says it is running on MEdiaNet. I have a PDA Personal Unlimited Plan. Doesn't this conflict with what I'm paying for? And saying that they'll "never find out" isn't good for me. If I'm getting something other than what I pay for through questionable means I'd rather not do it. I don't mind tweaking, modding a phone that I purchased, but cheating AT&T is something else.
2. Is it possible that they one day discover that I'm runnning HSDPA and charge me for the extra data I've obtained?
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
You will be fine. For some reason there is a registry entry that forces the phone to use 3G instead of HSDPA (aka 3.5G). The custom ROMs out here just enables HSDPA. ATT does provide this on all of their other phones and you wont get charge for this. Why the mode was locked out in the stock ATT ROM...I'm not too sure.
Ok, it's just that it seems too deliberate like they didn't want people getting more for less.
If you have an unlimited plan, as long as you are not trying to run bittorent, you should be fine.
I have thought about this myself, I almost think ATT is disabling HSDPA on purpose to meet the battery life they claim. I have seen no test on 3g vs HDPA and battery drainage, but I would assume opening more channels for data drains the battery quicker. The other possibility is the endless hammering of the network by iPhone 3Gs, so to prevent too much going on they are handicapping the devices. The far out possibility is ATT trying to make some devices look worse than other in the eyes of the consumer, in order to sell more of the more expensive phones (in this case the Bold being most expensive). But there is no actual proof to any of this, so I am just speculating. Its very much possible that HTC is just slow to update their branded ROMs, which is ALWAYS the case.
Actually from the many articles I have read, ATT is stretching the network thin. The mass amount of iphone users on 3g has put a strain on data usage. In order to buy some time to upgrade some network areas ATT had crippled newer phones. I will bet we will see a new ATT rom in the next quarter that has HSDPA enabled by default. If I get some spare time I will dig up the articles and link them to this thread.
wow lots of conspiracies here.
1 MEdia Net is the name of the portal that connects your phone to the internet. PDA net unlimited and MEdiaNet unlimited are the plans that you pay for to get unlimited access. So when the phone says it's connected to MEdia Net (3G) it's just stating it's connected to the gateway via 3G speeds, its not telling you which plan you are using.
2 - The 3G icons - not speeds were disabled to probably solve lots of customer calls. Lots of people don't know that H is faster than U and that U and H are BOTH 3G (3.5G is still a 3G technology) Here is one example:
Purchased a Sony Ericson Xperia X1 yesturday. This is my first WM phone as well as my first unlocked phone. I upgraded from a Cingular branded Moto Razr V3i
Today I go into the AT&T store to have Personal PDA added to my service. For whatever reason it wouldn't let me add it over the web site. The Plan is added and the customer rep tries to configure the phone for 3G as it was only connecting via Edge. After some fiddling we get a "H" for the data icon. Two hours ago I did not know "H" is equal to or better than "3G" ( Now I know) In a case in of not knowing when to stop he and I decided to use to the procedure for the ATT branded HTC Fuze in an effort to get 3G.
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
Continue reading...
So as you can see, if customers that are even semi tech are not satisfied with getting a "H" on their phone cuz they want "3G Speeds" can you imagine the 500 calls a day about why they aren't getting 3G on their phones and instead are getting H?
If you want to get technical, AT&T in most areas no longer runs a UMTS network and has upgraded to HSPA. Even the areas that are UMTS have HSDPA addon. So they could be advertising 3.5G but that would just confuse everyone and think their phones need to be upgraded somehow.
aruppenthal said:
Actually from the many articles I have read, ATT is stretching the network thin. The mass amount of iphone users on 3g has put a strain on data usage. In order to buy some time to upgrade some network areas ATT had crippled newer phones. I will bet we will see a new ATT rom in the next quarter that has HSDPA enabled by default. If I get some spare time I will dig up the articles and link them to this thread.
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
This is exactly whats going on, BUT the other major factor is that the iPhone is NOT capable of HSPA and only 3G. This means that they don't want the Fuze drawing any sales away from the iPhone. You will see another iPhone come out next year capable of HSPA after AT&T gets there HSPA software updates they are hyping up in 2009.
**There is another thread HERE that has a cab in it to fix this. You can also flash a new ROM. The cabs below came from this thread and credit goes to them. "advancednetwork" cab changes icons, "advancednoicons" keeps original icons.
No HSDPA only Edge
I have AT&T and got a new Unlocked Raphael (no not the Fuze) just a little while ago to upgrade from my old Tilt. I use to have a very fast HSDPA connection but now with my Raphael I can only get Edge network. I have of course done gone through the forums first and have the required HardSPL, I have also, flashed my own roms (tried several different ones) also tried different radios, the above settings cabs, as well as the different tutorials on the reg settings that need to be changed as well as of course using Advanced Config as well as gone into advanced networking and check the settings every time but still can't get HSDPA, and yes I did all the aforementioned with all the different roms I have tried as well as the different radios. I put my sim in my old Tilt and it works fine on HSDPA. If any1 can help will greatly appreciate.
Supposedly in the configuration files, HSDPA supported was disabled per request by AT&T... which is noted in via comments in the middle of the coding.
Newer roms have HSDPA unlocked so we're able to obtain faster data speeds.
phaze1 said:
I have AT&T and got a new Unlocked Raphael (no not the Fuze) just a little while ago to upgrade from my old Tilt. I use to have a very fast HSDPA connection but now with my Raphael I can only get Edge network. I have of course done gone through the forums first and have the required HardSPL, I have also, flashed my own roms (tried several different ones) also tried different radios, the above settings cabs, as well as the different tutorials on the reg settings that need to be changed as well as of course using Advanced Config as well as gone into advanced networking and check the settings every time but still can't get HSDPA, and yes I did all the aforementioned with all the different roms I have tried as well as the different radios. I put my sim in my old Tilt and it works fine on HSDPA. If any1 can help will greatly appreciate.
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
The HTC Touch Pro doesn't come with the correct amplifier that could be used on the ATT 3G network so there is a no-go for you on this. I am suffering the same thing but I am glad I am not paying for it at all.
Cheers,
juliuswang said:
The HTC Touch Pro doesn't come with the correct amplifier that could be used on the ATT 3G network so there is a no-go for you on this. I am suffering the same thing but I am glad I am not paying for it at all.
Cheers,
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
Thnx juluswang...That info should be in the wiki and/or a sticky and if it is I did not see it. Guess I will sell it but what model has both cameras and the ability to utilize 3G and HSDPA here in the States?
This isn't related to this thread, but I just downlaoded a 4.2MB cab file in literally 1.5 seconds tops. I clicked on the file and by the time Opera's download tab opened, the file was done with a green checkmark.
I am loving my HSDPA/HSUPA enabled ROM.
So, is there a cab that will activate HSDPA or give access to it on the Fuze?
Advanced Configurator will allow you to enable HSDPA and HSUPA on your Fuze w/o flashing to a new ROM, voiding your warranty and spending hours setting up your phone again (not that we don't all do that anyway).
Is there no registry edit that will do it? I've tried all the ROMs and don't like them.
tinpanalley said:
Is there no registry edit that will do it? I've tried all the ROMs and don't like them.
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
Yes there is. I don't know what they are but the Advanced Configurator will set them for you.
http://julien.schapman.free.fr/touchxperience/advanced-configuration-tool.php
I have always wondered this:
If I have a MediaMax unlimited package vs. PDA plan on my Fuze would that have any impact on speed? I get HSPDA connections here in Chicago uhbt I typically see 900k speeds, while I see others reporting 1.8. Am I capped because I use Media instead of PDA plan? I have on occasion reached 1.2 so I'm thinking no? 3G is spotty in Chicago. I work IN the ATT building and I get Edge. How lame is that.
something bout HSDPA and HSUPA on advanced config, i have no idea if this has been answered yet or not but is it good idea to activate it(disabled by default)?? and what differences will i see if i activate it? am i going to get charge for it(just wondering)? and i have a FUZE with the unlimited Personal PDA plan on AT&T, plz let me know...thnx
XERO_Racer said:
something bout HSDPA and HSUPA on advanced config, i have no idea if this has been answered yet or not but is it good idea to activate it(disabled by default)?? and what differences will i see if i activate it? am i going to get charge for it(just wondering)? and i have a FUZE with the unlimited Personal PDA plan on AT&T, plz let me know...thnx
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
what are you waiting for? Activate HSPA! ATT is dumb and disabled HSPA on our phones (no idea why though). But when you activate it, you should be able to get the fastest data speeds off the ATT network, and theoretically up to 7.1 Mbps download and like 2 or 3 upload speeds. You wont get charged extra for using it. I have hspa enabled on the $10 a month unlimited plan for nonpda's and it works great!
nhshah7 said:
what are you waiting for? Activate HSPA! ATT is dumb and disabled HSPA on our phones (no idea why though). But when you activate it, you should be able to get the fastest data speeds off the ATT network, and theoretically up to 7.1 Mbps download and like 2 or 3 upload speeds. You wont get charged extra for using it. I have hspa enabled on the $10 a month unlimited plan for nonpda's and it works great!
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
ight dude thnx but i have one more question i need to know, since 3G can give u the flexibility to go on the internet while on a phone call, will HSPA do the same thing?? cuz i love that feature, thnx
Yes, with the [H] displayed, you can do both. HSDPA is an extension of 3G.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HSDPA
XERO_Racer said:
ight dude thnx but i have one more question i need to know, since 3G can give u the flexibility to go on the internet while on a phone call, will HSPA do the same thing?? cuz i love that feature, thnx
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
I acticated this using advanced config. but I don't see an "H" popping up. I only see the 3g. I did do a speed test and noticed twice the speed back after I activated HSDPA. How do I get the "H" to pop up or is it even supposed to pop up.
I activated this using advanced config. but I don't see an "H" popping up. I only see the 3g. I did do a speed test and noticed twice the speed back after I activated HSDPA. How do I get the "H" to pop up or is it even supposed to pop up. I am getting speeds of 511kbit/sec. Although it doesn't really seem any faster.
Perhaps it isn't supported in your area? There is another cab file out there
that makes the setting that advanced config does "stick", because of something at&t did, when you reboot, it goes back to 3G only. Do a search for "fuze H fix". I'm on the laptop, and don't have the file.
yamilrx said:
I activated this using advanced config. but I don't see an "H" popping up. I only see the 3g. I did do a speed test and noticed twice the speed back after I activated HSDPA. How do I get the "H" to pop up or is it even supposed to pop up. I am getting speeds of 511kbit/sec. Although it doesn't really seem any faster.
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
there's another registry tweak you can do through advanced config or diamond tweak (might be the latter) that lets you determine whether or not it displays the H icon. Chances are that if you're on 3g, you're on HSPA. let me know if you can't find it and i'll dig it up for you
yamilrx said:
I activated this using advanced config. but I don't see an "H" popping up. I only see the 3g. I did do a speed test and noticed twice the speed back after I activated HSDPA. How do I get the "H" to pop up or is it even supposed to pop up. I am getting speeds of 511kbit/sec. Although it doesn't really seem any faster.
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
IIRC HSPA isn't available on T-mobile. Not sure of this however.
So, will the captivate have HSUPA?? It says on the main page here on XDA, in the specs breakdown, next to HSUPA it says, NOT IN US.
I could have swore i read that it WILL have it?
I have an iphone 4, and have become accustomed to the crazy fast upload now, but i wanted to pick up the captivate to tinker with an android phone.
Everything I have read so far has said it is supported, but now that you mention it, what would be the difference, a certain frequency band I guess? Nothing I have read over thus far has said anything about a difference between countries (i.e. US and rest of world)...
aphexacid said:
So, will the captivate have HSUPA?? It says on the main page here on XDA, in the specs breakdown, next to HSUPA it says, NOT IN US.
I could have swore i read that it WILL have it?
I have an iphone 4, and have become accustomed to the crazy fast upload now, but i wanted to pick up the captivate to tinker with an android phone.
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
Not sure if this is fast enough for you but unless AT&T massacred the radio in the Captivate you should experience speeds like.... http://twitpic.com/24a5ri
That's my Galaxy S in Orlando running solely off 1900MHz 3G.
FWIW, this indicates HSUPA is supported, but I'd consider this a preliminary spec that needs to be confirmed after the Captivate is released and tested.
http://pdadb.net/index.php?m=specs&id=2430&view=1&c=samsung_sgh-i897_galaxy_s_captivate_
Sweet, very nice.
Seriously, once you have HSUPA, you cant go back. Its like going back to edge.
I still think i'm going to hold out about a week or so after the device launches just to make sure of a few things that i need to have.
thanks fellas!
Can we bring this back for discussion again?
From what I understand, when you are on HSUPA you will get an H in the status bar instead of 3G. Is anyone seeing this? So far I haven't seen this and speedtests have agreed that I haven't had HSUPA. I had an iphone 4 before and I know it was on HSUPA in the same area.
AJerman said:
Can we bring this back for discussion again?
From what I understand, when you are on HSUPA you will get an H in the status bar instead of 3G. Is anyone seeing this? So far I haven't seen this and speedtests have agreed that I haven't had HSUPA. I had an iphone 4 before and I know it was on HSUPA in the same area.
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
Yes. If you look at my picture posted here http://twitpic.com/24a5ri you will see the 'H' you are asking about in the statusbar.
My phone says I'm on HSDPA but I only have the 3G icon on my screen. Do you only get the "H" when you have the high-speed upload? Seems a bit counter intuitive to me.
mesasone said:
My phone says I'm on HSDPA but I only have the 3G icon on my screen. Do you only get the "H" when you have the high-speed upload? Seems a bit counter intuitive to me.
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
I've read somewhere awhile back that it fluctuates from showing 3G to HSDPA when it's active on data transfer and hits/detects the higher speed...don't hold me to that though. Maybe someone else can offer more insight into it but i've actively seen the icon switch from 3G to H with not interaction by me (background data i assume)
Well that's weird. I'll have to play with it more tomorrow and see if I can figure out why mine won't jump on HSUPA.
Sent from my SAMSUNG-SGH-I897 using XDA App
Okay, so at my house, where I know I got HSUPA on the iPhone 4, I'm definitely not getting it now on the Captivate. I have a signal strength of -51 dB, so I know I have enough signal. I couldn't get much higher signal if I sat under the tower. I'm wondering if I have a problem on my phone since trinikartel got HSUPA just fine.
I'm new to Android, anyone know something to check for this?
AJerman said:
Okay, so at my house, where I know I got HSUPA on the iPhone 4, I'm definitely not getting it now on the Captivate. I have a signal strength of -51 dB, so I know I have enough signal. I couldn't get much higher signal if I sat under the tower. I'm wondering if I have a problem on my phone since trinikartel got HSUPA just fine.
I'm new to Android, anyone know something to check for this?
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
Well trinikartel said he was on a Galaxy S, not a Captivate. I'm thinking the US versions dont have HSUPA. I have another thread on here stating that I got 2457 down and only 174 up this morning. Also, I've never seen my 3G turn to an H.
Also, I dont know if it matters but on my 3G icon the down arrow is orange and the up arrow is green.
I think you guys don't realize that AT&T's HSUPA is still broken. Don't you remember that whole upload fiasco? It affects the Captivate as it does the iPhone 4 and it hasn't been fixed in those markets (apparently most) where they use the Lucent equipment.
I used to get great HSUPA upload speeds on my AT&T banded N1 and the upload has not been fixed as uploads are still stuck at regular 3G < 300kbit speeds.
The Captivate undoubtedly supports HSUPA, but AT&T's network is still borked and as far as I can tell they have not rolled out any fix.
I have both the N1 and the Captivate.
The only other thing I can think of is if AT&T is turning off the HSUPA based on the phones IMEI or model number.
Just checked with an iPhone 4 friend, can not get over 200k -300l, so there is still a system wide HSUPA failure as far as my limited testing in my market is concerned.
Used to be 1.6mbit up quite regularly on the N1 or the iPhone4.
-James
derek4484 said:
Well trinikartel said he was on a Galaxy S, not a Captivate. I'm thinking the US versions dont have HSUPA. I have another thread on here stating that I got 2457 down and only 174 up this morning. Also, I've never seen my 3G turn to an H.
Also, I dont know if it matters but on my 3G icon the down arrow is orange and the up arrow is green.
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
Oh, I didn't see him say that. That sucks. I really hope the Captivate didn't get crippled, but right now, there's no other explanation than that. I SHOULD have HSUPA right now, and I don't.
jmacdonald801 said:
I think you guys don't realize that AT&T's HSUPA is still broken. Don't you remember that whole upload fiasco? It affects the Captivate as it does the iPhone 4 and it hasn't been fixed in those markets (apparently most) where they use the Lucent equipment.
I used to get great HSUPA upload speeds on my AT&T banded N1 and the upload has not been fixed as uploads are still stuck at regular 3G < 300kbit speeds.
The Captivate undoubtedly supports HSUPA, but AT&T's network is still borked and as far as I can tell they have not rolled out any fix.
I have both the N1 and the Captivate.
The only other thing I can think of is if AT&T is turning off the HSUPA based on the phones IMEI or model number.
Just checked with an iPhone 4 friend, can not get over 200k -300l, so there is still a system wide HSUPA failure as far as my limited testing in my market is concerned.
Used to be 1.6mbit up quite regularly on the N1 or the iPhone4.
-James
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
I never had an issue where I live. While everyone else was going slow, I was still doing 1200-1300 Kbps.
Edit: Looks like there's a good chance the Captivate WAS crippled. There's absolutely no mention of HSUPA in the manual at all. This REALLY sucks. I may consider returning the phone because of this and leaving AT&T.
Its all 3g hsdpa/umts
Sent from my SAMSUNG-SGH-I897 using XDA App
trinikartel said:
I've read somewhere awhile back that it fluctuates from showing 3G to HSDPA when it's active on data transfer and hits/detects the higher speed...don't hold me to that though. Maybe someone else can offer more insight into it but i've actively seen the icon switch from 3G to H with not interaction by me (background data i assume)
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
AT&T devices do not show the H like the International versions, they use 3G icon only to avoid confusion apparently.
Well on AT&T's site it says the iphone 4 has umts/hsdpa. I'm pretty positive that it has hsupa. So I don't believe AT&T's site is an accurate source of information for their own products.
I just put my sim card back in my ATT Tilt2. It DOES show H in Dallas, TX. As it has since I bought it. Captivate shows 3g. There IS a speed difference.
I live in NYC and just ran a speed test. I'm getting 1.52 - 2mpbs down and .19mbps up. While my friend on his iphone 4 sitting right next to me is getting 3 mbps down and 1.8mbps up. This phone definitely slower. And when I tether the speeds go even slower. Is phone really crippled?
jojorios said:
I live in NYC and just ran a speed test. I'm getting 1.52 - 2mpbs down and .19mbps up. While my friend on his iphone 4 sitting right next to me is getting 3 mbps down and 1.8mbps up. This phone definitely slower. And when I tether the speeds go even slower. Is phone really crippled?
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
I'm getting about the same right now (at night I can get 4M down). The thing is that I'm getting the same crappy upstream speeds with my Nexus One. Before the whole AT&T equipment ****-up in early July, I was getting ~1.5M up with my Nexus. Now I'm wondering if they crippled it for non-Apple devices.
as soon as I got my inspire 4G i noticed the speeds sucked.... I was getting less than 2Mbps,... on my previous phone, "nexus one" I was getting up to 4Mbps... here is hard proof,.... can the devs please get to work on the radio... http://pocketnow.com/android/is-att-misleading-about-hspa-on-the-inspire-4g-video
hiimjasonkolp said:
as soon as I got my inspire 4G i noticed the speeds sucked.... I was getting less than 2Mbps,... on my previous phone, "nexus one" I was getting up to 4Mbps... here is hard proof,.... can the devs please get to work on the radio... http://pocketnow.com/android/is-att-misleading-about-hspa-on-the-inspire-4g-video
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
I'm in SF and getting HSDPA and about 1.5mbps.... good ol ATT. Tho as soon as I leave the city I get 3-5mbps...
hiimjasonkolp said:
as soon as I got my inspire 4G i noticed the speeds sucked.... I was getting less than 2Mbps,... on my previous phone, "nexus one" I was getting up to 4Mbps... here is hard proof,.... can the devs please get to work on the radio... http://pocketnow.com/android/is-att-misleading-about-hspa-on-the-inspire-4g-video
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
It has been fixed for a while not. You need root and a different ROM. It has nothing to do with he radio.
Twenty4 said:
It has been fixed for a while not. You need root and a different ROM. It has nothing to do with he radio.
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
No you're mixing issues. This thread is about HSPA+ vs HSUPA not the HSUPA upload blocking issue.
Please read the article before responding.
bella92108 said:
No you're mixing issues. This thread is about HSPA+ vs HSUPA not the HSUPA upload blocking issue.
Please read the article before responding.
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
Hey goober, I read the article back on 02/06 when it was published. How about you read the OP before acting like an ass.
There is nothing the DEV's can do to fix the issues, it all comes down to AT&T expanding their HSPA+ footprint. Until then , you are SOL.
Twenty4 said:
Hey goober, I read the article back on 02/06 when it was published. How about you read the OP before acting like an ass.
There is nothing the DEV's can do to fix the issues, it all comes down to AT&T expanding their HSPA+ footprint. Until then , you are SOL.
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
Are you high? Read what you wrote. You said updating Rom fixes it in your first message then 2 posts later said the only fix is when ATT upgrades the network.
bella92108 said:
Are you high? Read what you wrote. You said updating Rom fixes it in your first message then 2 posts later said the only fix is when ATT upgrades the network.
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
Read closely baby girl...
The OP wrote "can the devs please get to work on the radio... " implying that was the cause for the slow data speeds.
We all (except for you) have figured out the cause was the disabled HSUPA, which in turn increased latency slowing the DL speeds.
THIS HAS ALL BEEN CORRECTED.
Now the next step is for AT&T to fix their **** so we can actually see the speeds that the phone is perfectly capable of.
Twenty4 said:
Read closely baby girl...
The OP wrote "can the devs please get to work on the radio... " implying that was the cause for the slow data speeds.
We all (except for you) have figured out the cause was the disabled HSUPA, which in turn increased latency slowing the DL speeds.
THIS HAS ALL BEEN CORRECTED.
Now the next step is for AT&T to fix their **** so we can actually see the speeds that the phone is perfectly capable of.
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
Clearly you didn't read the article the OP asked about or you'd understand not have responded as you did then changed the subject.
Either way I'm not going to bicker. Have a good one.
bella92108 said:
Clearly you didn't read the article the OP asked about or you'd understand not have responded as you did then changed the subject.
Either way I'm not going to bicker. Have a good one.
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
Well I have all night to bicker.
The article was about slow speed tests and the fact that AT&T was using the fake H+ icon when the phone was in fact only receiving UMTS and HSDPA signals.
Twenty4 said:
Well I have all night to bicker.
The article was about slow speed tests and the fact that AT&T was using the fake H+ icon when the phone was in fact only receiving UMTS and HSDPA signals.
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
Not to get technical, but the HSPDA+ logo is actually correctly being used. The software and the communications standard being broadcast from the cell towers IS HSPDA+ and has been upgraded. So they are transmitting using the HSPDA protocol. Here of course is the problem...without the required wiring upgrade (aka backhaul) we cannot maximize the HSPDA+ signal, but we are getting it.
I admit it is a very narrow technicality, but it is true. Our phones are communicating in HSPDA+ as indicated.
I don't understand all these speed threads.
You can run a test on the same phone standing in the same place 3 times in a row and get 3 wildly different results.
If you can't get consistent results, what's the point of testing ?
Network congestion is the biggest factor so what your little icon at the top is doing is nearly irrelevant.
boufa said:
Not to get technical, but the HSPDA+ logo is actually correctly being used. The software and the communications standard being broadcast from the cell towers IS HSPDA+ and has been upgraded. So they are transmitting using the HSPDA protocol. Here of course is the problem...without the required wiring upgrade (aka backhaul) we cannot maximize the HSPDA+ signal, but we are getting it.
I admit it is a very narrow technicality, but it is true. Our phones are communicating in HSPDA+ as indicated.
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
No, they're not, that's the point. Your phone is using HSDPA, go into Settings, About, Network, and look at the protocol being used. At least here in San Francisco it's HSDPA. Once they "flip the switch" it'll say HSPA+, but until then, it's HSDPA.
But to your point, your premise is right... regardless of HSDPA or HSPA+, the argument is moot until the backhaul beats the capacity. My 802.11n router gets me nothing over an 802.11g because my internet speed (backhaul) hasn't surpassed the speed capacity of a 802.11g router, let alone an 802.11n.
My only point to the guy who was bickering with me in the first couple responses was that he was arguing for the sake of arguing, because the OP's comments were 100% referring to HSDPA vs HSPA+ and asking when the phone will be able to get the newest technology advertised, which refer to download speed, and his first response was "this has been fixed in a Rom from XDA devs" which is an inaccurate response. When I corrected him, he pretended like he hadn't said what he said in post 3, and went on to then say (with name calling in defense) it's actually dependent on AT&T, not a rom update. LOL
RacerX10 said:
I don't understand all these speed threads.
You can run a test on the same phone standing in the same place 3 times in a row and get 3 wildly different results.
If you can't get consistent results, what's the point of testing ?
Network congestion is the biggest factor so what your little icon at the top is doing is nearly irrelevant.
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
Is there a question to that? LOL. You're right, you get much different results based on location.... people on here aren't complaining about what the little icon says, they're complaining about the actual speed. It's normal for fluctuation based on congestion. Here in San Francisco at 10pm I can get 3mbps, but during the day when the bridge and tunnel folk come into the city during the work day, the population of the city quadruples, and my speed chops in half, or more.
The speed test is the only accurate way to get a sense as to the technology's performance.
See picture.
id10terrordfw said:
See picture.
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
I agree... Bottom line, if you patch your upload to be HSUPA, you'll get the best performance out of THIS phone at THIS time with THIS network: AT&T, hehe. When they upgrade, you'll get faster speed. Done
here is what i see is happening. on my nexus one, my speed test, in los angeles, san diego, philly, is around this:
3Mbps down
1.6Mbps up
but on the inspire, no matter how many tests i run, or location, i get:
1.8Mbps down
0.3Mbps up
this is because the firmware on the inspire is not right, likely the build.prop needs to be changed from hsxpa=1 to hsxpa=2, or something like that. no matter how many times in a row that test is run, the needle bounces off that upload speed right at 0.3 and never breaks the barrier. guess what UMTS barrier is, its 384 Kbps, exactly 0.3 Mbps. the inspire firmware is crapped right now on this.
that is an HSUPA issue. the OTHER issue of getting HSPA+ speeds, like:
10 Mbps down
1.5Mbps up
that is totally different, and that is due to ATT's network currently not having enough backhaul to support those high speeds. from all the tests i've done with my nexus one, the highest i ever see is 3Mbps down. so to me that says the majority of the ATT network is still on 7.2 Mbps with backhaul barely enough to support that speed.
2 issues going on here.
Twenty4 said:
Read closely baby girl...
The OP wrote "can the devs please get to work on the radio... " implying that was the cause for the slow data speeds.
We all (except for you) have figured out the cause was the disabled HSUPA, which in turn increased latency slowing the DL speeds.
THIS HAS ALL BEEN CORRECTED.
Now the next step is for AT&T to fix their **** so we can actually see the speeds that the phone is perfectly capable of.
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
This is funniest thing i read today LOL, read closely baby girl!
jc2470 said:
This is funniest thing i read today LOL, read closely baby girl!
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
----------------