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Treo 750v very Poor 3G reception in buildings and on trains around London.
I have now changed job and work in central London and I have noticed on my route to and from home to central London I loose reception a number of times in various spots but on my TyTN which I took to test had no issues.
I have two Treo 750v and they both are doing it one installed with vodaphone and one Cingular rom. The lady next to me thought I was going mad two mobiles one in each hand and my eyes fixed on the reception bars all the way to London at 6:40am yesterday morning. I have not really noticed any issues with reception before this as around home it works flawlessly and I know it is not related to T-Mobile UK. I missed two calls also and whilst at work, phone on all day I got 3 voicemails. Various reviews on the internet have also said reception is poor on these phones and now it is starting to become a reality the more I use it in different areas.
I tested on the way home I rung my two land lines and spoke to my children and girlfriend on the TyTN and 750v the treo cut out 5 times whilst the TyTN held the connection from start to finish. Testing the 750v set to GSM today the phone cut out 2 so slight improvement I don't know if there will be a fix of some sort i.e. (radio or rom upgrade like the TyTN) over time fingers crossed, There is no difference for reception on the Cingular rom vs. vodaphone. But like anything it could be a hardware problem. I am sure if the treo had an antenna it would be better. First attempt for an antenna less Treo it is a good start. I hope they do a new revision of this Treo or this fault does gets fixed as I love the form factor of this phone far better than the TyTN imo.
Reception set to GSM is far better under band selection, I loose the fast browsing speed abilities of UTMS but call quality is much better overall.
Does anyone else suffer from reception issues related to 3G?
Tmobile
Vodaphone
O2
Sim cards tested in both phones.
I am also experiencing problems on 3G here in the Netherlands. I have some bad reception during calls and also alot of dropped calls when on the move and the phone is trying to fall back from UMTS to GSM.
I am also having some Bluetooth stack problems: the Bluetooth sometimes crashes, even in the middle of a conversation on the carkit. The audio connection gets lost with the parrot carkit.
mkoster007 said:
I am also experiencing problems on 3G here in the Netherlands. I have some bad reception during calls and also alot of dropped calls when on the move and the phone is trying to fall back from UMTS to GSM.
I am also having some Bluetooth stack problems: the Bluetooth sometimes crashes, even in the middle of a conversation on the carkit. The audio connection gets lost with the parrot carkit.
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The issues you are having are just like mine, Not having any bluetooth issues like you mention though. UTMS to GSM is a big problem with the phone it is like it gets confused and then freaks out.
The reception part is really starting to get to me as my main phone it is not doing to well if you know what I mean. I only hope that a software upgrade can fix the issues. I am sure the bluetooth issues will get sorted with an update.
Same here (Italy). Bad 3G reception (Vodafone network): sometimes the 750V switches to GPRS and the call quality is fine, sometimes it doesn't, and it's a pain... I noticed a slight improvement when I upgraded from the original Vodafone ROM to newer Cingular's. Hope this means it's a software-related issue, and can be solved via a ROM upgraded in the future. After all, the 750V is made - like the TyTN - by HTC, so the reception should be more or less the same in both the devices.
Bye,
F.
xxnoelziexx said:
Treo 750v very Poor 3G reception in buildings and on trains around London.
I have now changed job and work in central London and I have noticed on my route to and from home to central London I loose reception a number of times in various spots but on my TyTN which I took to test had no issues.
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With my TyTN (radio 1.16) I get reception on a dead spot where I couldn't get reception with several other phone's (Nokia, SE, Motorola). Much better then with the standard radio 1.03 which didn't work there also. The Palm's reception is somewhere in between, and probably software-related too.
xxnoelziexx said:
The issues you are having are just like mine, Not having any bluetooth issues like you mention though. UTMS to GSM is a big problem with the phone it is like it gets confused and then freaks out.
The reception part is really starting to get to me as my main phone it is not doing to well if you know what I mean. I only hope that a software upgrade can fix the issues. I am sure the bluetooth issues will get sorted with an update.
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I've got the same problem. Fixed it by changing the band selection from "automatic" to "gsm". I'll have to change it back whenever I want to access the internet, which is a pain, but at least it's now usable as a phone.
Hi.
I have a diamond and compared to my vario 2 the reception on gprs and 3g is very poor.
I only need to be about a mile from the mast and reception drops out while my vario 2 still has 2 bars and my friends nokia n95 has 3.
Could anyone try a comparison. I need to know if the radio is better than my diamond before spending a lot of money on the raphael.
Thanks in advance.
Sean.
I have had both devices in a lab environment and the radio performance (at least on the radio versions I tested) was as near identical as makes no difference - as would be expected due to the hardware being practically identical.
Comparing signal strength by number of bars (especially on devices from different vendors!) is an exercise in futility.
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Comparing signal strength by number of bars (especially on devices from different vendors!) is an exercise in futility.
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Biiiig 2nd. The iPhone 3G's got complained about a lot because "they only have 1 or 2 bars of service" yet the people would never complain of dropped calls or slow data connections. I think the 2.0.1 update did nothing more than lower the signal required to get a bar.
My reception levels seem ok (i.e. bars) but my data speeds feel slow.
I work in London and get HSPA, 3G and GPRS completely fine and of course the unit switches between them accordingly fine! This is on my HTC Touch Pro, but sadly I don't have the Diamond to compare with, but logically it should be the same since same hardware.
FWIW I updated the weather using HSPA whilst on the train this morning without problem, so I guess it's all down to coverage as always! Vodafone are pretty good in London.
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I work in London and get HSPA, 3G and GPRS completely fine and of course the unit switches between them accordingly fine! This is on my HTC Touch Pro, but sadly I don't have the Diamond to compare with, but logically it should be the same since same hardware.
FWIW I updated the weather using HSPA whilst on the train this morning without problem, so I guess it's all down to coverage as always! Vodafone are pretty good in London.
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Hrm I'm in London too but on T-Mobile. My Kaiser is fine but the Touch Pro is definitely having data issues.
For example, it doesnt always initiate a data session when you need one, like whne you want to refresh your RSS or sync email etc.
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Hrm I'm in London too but on T-Mobile. My Kaiser is fine but the Touch Pro is definitely having data issues.
For example, it doesnt always initiate a data session when you need one, like whne you want to refresh your RSS or sync email etc.
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Sorry to hear that, hopefully a ROM update (more specifically the Radio) will help you out! As always, the first ROM versions can be a bit funny which later versions iron out!
Out of coincidence, when you first started your Touch Pro, did you automatically set the settings according to the Network when prompted or did you perform this manually? I did this automatically as set by Vodafone network and all seems well!
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Sorry to hear that, hopefully a ROM update (more specifically the Radio) will help you out! As always, the first ROM versions can be a bit funny which later versions iron out!
Out of coincidence, when you first started your Touch Pro, did you automatically set the settings according to the Network when prompted or did you perform this manually? I did this automatically as set by Vodafone network and all seems well!
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Auto configured as usual...
Also in London, on Vodafone, and I'm going to say that the Raphael is pretty much identical for signal strength as the Diamond. Not found any places where it won't work yet (rail tunnels excepted). 3G signal still isn't available inside my house. But it never was with any phone.
I never had any problem with the Kaiser, Hermes, Universal, Magician, or any other device. All the reflashing of Radio ROM's that goes on around here for an extrordinarily marginal (and subjective) improvment completely baffles me...!
@Syphon Filter - My wife is on T-Mobile with an original Touch. Can't get a signal in our house at all unless she hangs out of the window or stands in the garden, but that's T-Mobile in South-East London for you...
Oh that's bad news. I was hoping the different housing could give the Raphael some improvement on 3G reception.
The Diamonds 3G reception is definitely worse then the reception quality of my TyTN and if the Raphael is identical to the Diamond...
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Oh that's bad news. I was hoping the different housing could give the Raphael some improvement on 3G reception.
The Diamonds 3G reception is definitely worse then the reception quality of my TyTN and if the Raphael is identical to the Diamond...
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Like I said, it's all subjective. I've never ever struggled for 3G reception on my Diamond in any location where my Hermes (TyTN) worked. Even in low signal areas, the Diamond has never failed me.
Admittedly speaker volume was better on the Hermes, but that's a different matter...
Well it's not that subjective because it's simply counting bars.
Where Diamond shows 1 bar, TyTN shows 2 bars - same location, same time, same network.
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Well it's not that subjective because it's simply counting bars.
Where Diamond shows 1 bar, TyTN shows 2 bars - same location, same time, same network.
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But how do you know that 1 Diamond bar doesn't equal 2 Tytn bars?
hi
I understand about the bars but the problem is how far from the transmitter you can use the phone.
There are many places where I can make calls and use the interner on my tytn bus I can't on my diamond.
at work I can walk about and have a conversation with no problems on my tytn but with my diamond I can only use it by a window.
listening to internet radio while driving is no problem with the tytn but with the diamond I keep having to restart the stream at various places when I lose the signal completely.
This is why a comparison would be helpful
Thanks to everyone so far for the feedback on this
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But how do you know that 1 Diamond bar doesn't equal 2 Tytn bars?
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This is of course a valid argument, but I also experienced, that the Diamond did not switch to 3G without forcing it by setting because of this weak 1 bar reception quality while the TyTN automatically switched to 3G.
So it seems that also the software internally assumed that the reception is too weak for 3G.
I would assume that the reception indicator is quite comparable between different HTC devices as the same operating system and the same manufacturer is involved.
Don't think I can add anything more to this discussion, on the basis that all of my 3G HTC devices have performed almost identically even in weaker signal areas.
I must just be very lucky? Best of luck to the rest of you though.
For me connection is definitely very very similar between the touch pro and tytn II. However I do think that the point at which is switches of 3g, becauase it doesn't think there is a good enough connection, may well be too early. It definitely seems to switch between 3g and gprs more often than the tytn II. Hopefully this can be fixed quite easily with an update.
Mine's going back.
My Hermes and Kaiser never lose the network in my house. My Touch Pro is constantly on and off. All with T-Mobile SIMs.
Shame 'cos it looks like a great device.
I have two phones here. TYTN II and a Raphael. Both on T-Mobile UK
The trusty TYTN II has 3 bars and always shows a 'H' whilst the Raphael is drifting from 'G' to 'H' and 1 bar occasionally losing a signal altogether.
I really want to like this phone but I might have to keep using the old one till HTC sort this out
I have both the Diamond and the Raphael side by side on the same network (Vodafone) and the signal strength is exactly the same.
I changed from a Tilt to a Fuze. I now tried the Fuze on my wife's T-mobile. I noticed that the Fuze seems weaker. My working place is really bad for T-Mobile. With my tilt I get 2 bars and sometimes 1. With the Fuze, I get 1 and sometimes when I try and update the weather, I loose all connection. And sometimes I get dropped calls.
Now, I know the radio has much to do with this. But in general, has anybody noticed if the Fuze seems weaker than their old phone? I can't judge 3G/H because I never had it till now.
no absolutely not id say at worst the same if not better. It has all to do with the radio as well.
I figured as much. Maybe ATT optimized it for 3G network of theirs. I was hoping if anybody else on another network noticed a drop of signal quality with the stock rom/radio with tmobile.
I'm using the stock Fuze ROM, and I have worse reception on the bay area AT&T network. It's not a matter of bars on the display - it's that the calls are dropping in areas that never did with the Tilt.
My Tilt gets better reception. But it has a more mature radio. Hopefully this is an issue of radio firmware, and not bad hardware.
You do know where the antenna is in your device???
(read the manual)
In bad reception area's your hand can easily block the "low" signal....
I just switched from the Tilt to a Fuze 3 days ago and have definitely noticed the Fuze is weaker where I'm at (Statesville, NC).
And Karloe is right, the antenna is in the base of the phone, where I normally hold it. I've been holding it at the top and people on the other end of the line say it is clearer than when I first got the Fuze. Calls aren't dropping as much either.
Kind of awkward to hold the phone this way though....
It worked great when I was in Winston-Salem yesterday, had excellent 3G also.
I don't think the signal is worse than the Tilt. The display shows less bars than the Tilt did, but every phone displays signals differently.
As someone else said, the antenna is at the bottom, so you have to hold it differently than the Tilt.
So far I haven't had any dropped calls on the Fuze and I've had a few on the Tilt. Call clarity seems to be better on the Fuze than it was on the Tilt too.
Single is DEF worse then my 8525 I could take screen shots to prove it.
So far in my experience fuze has been giving me better reception that the tilt.
My Fuse def has less signal than my previous phones.
At my home in long island, NY I always had 4 to 5 bars on any phone I had.
The fuse only gives me 2 bars.
I live in a rural area and have noticed that while I usually only averaged two bars on my tilt, sometimes in a sweet spot I would get three.
The fuze peaks at two in sweet spots and a lot of the time it is hunting for a signal.
That being said, the tilt was the same way before I upgraded the radio rom many moons ago.
One thing I can say is that while the indicator shows poorer reception (it is just an icon) on the fuze, my call quality is better and is far less garbled during calls.
I work in NYC and with my tilt I would always have problems getting a signal in Manhattan. I could have full 3g reception in one signal spot, take one step foward and it would start searching for a signal. With my fuze Ive never seen less than 3 bars so far. It gets better reception than my tilt for sure.
My tilt had better reception while at home. The tilt never cycled through e -> g -> 3g like the fuze did. I agree that once the radio matures it will get better, but my stock tilt never had this problem when new. I also maintained a pretty steady 3g speed on the tilt whereas the fuze had huge swings in speed.
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You have to security unlock your phone, but I just flashed the Blackstone radio and it appears to get a little better signal than my stock ATT radio did.
I know it all depends on the area and conditions, but some of you that say it has worse reception might want to try some of the different radios that are out there.
Same Bad Reception
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I changed from a Tilt to a Fuze. I now tried the Fuze on my wife's T-mobile. I noticed that the Fuze seems weaker. My working place is really bad for T-Mobile. With my tilt I get 2 bars and sometimes 1. With the Fuze, I get 1 and sometimes when I try and update the weather, I loose all connection. And sometimes I get dropped calls.
Now, I know the radio has much to do with this. But in general, has anybody noticed if the Fuze seems weaker than their old phone? I can't judge 3G/H because I never had it till now.
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I definitely agree. I would routinely get 4 bars with my tilt in my apartment. I'm lucky to get 1 bar with the Fuze. Anyone have a suggestion for the best radio for those of us who have not security unlocked yet? I'm willing to do the unlock if there are no other viable options.
Thank god I'm not the only one. My TILT always had full bars on 3g at home in my condo in Chicago. The Fuze constantly cycles from G > E > 3g and I have yet to be on a call that has not been dropped.
I'm debating returning this. While I know I can flash better ROMs to be faster, I don't know of any better radios currently to flash.
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Thank god I'm not the only one. My TILT always had full bars on 3g at home in my condo in Chicago. The Fuze constantly cycles from G > E > 3g and I have yet to be on a call that has been dropped.
I'm debating returning this. While I know I can flash better ROMs to be faster, I don't know of any better radios currently to flash.
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I have noticed this as well. My Fuze is very quick to changef rom G > E > 3G > H.
With my Tilt it was almost always on H especially with the 1.70.19.09 radio. All in all I do think that it could be dependent on the radio it self. I guess with time we will see if it's the radio or the device itself.
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Thank god I'm not the only one. My TILT always had full bars on 3g at home in my condo in Chicago. The Fuze constantly cycles from G > E > 3g and I have yet to be on a call that has been dropped.
I'm debating returning this. While I know I can flash better ROMs to be faster, I don't know of any better radios currently to flash.
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You can try some different radios from this thread: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=439566
Unfortunately so far I haven't noticed any big differences between them in regards to reception. I've tried quite a few of them.
NATF posted that he was seeing a great increase in battery life and was wondering who else was running the radio on the ATT network. Just want to get a few more confirmations before I go and buy the unlocked to CID unlock my phone.
THANKS
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NATF posted that he was seeing a great increase in battery life and was wondering who else was running the radio on the ATT network. Just want to get a few more confirmations before I go and buy the unlocked to CID unlock my phone.
THANKS
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Im running it, however you could look in the radio thread in the rom development section.
I am running it in SoCal. Just did the security unlock yesterday and decided to try 1.08.25.08. I'm testing the battery life today to see if there's any difference from the stock I was using before.
is batterry the only thing that improves? how about data speeds or reception
I am very interested in the answer to these questions as well. I have a Tilt (AT&T WM6.1 ROM with common tweaks) and the Fuze (AT&T stock ROM with common tweaks). I prefer the Fuze in almost every way but the radio is a dissappointment. In side by side comparisons it generally reads 1 or 2 bars less than the Tilt. This also means the Fuze falls out of 3G long before the Tilt. Both break the 2mbps barrier when sitting under a tower. But speeds vary greatly as distance increases and places where the Tilt was still getting 900kbps, the Fuze was down around 250-300kbps, including my house unfortunately. The Tilt now has my wife's SIM card in it making comparisons possible and easy. There are locations I no longer want to tether due to the performance decrease in the Fuze. Battery life is not that great of a concern to me since the phone is charging whenever I am in the house, car, office, or tethered (and I'll get a double-life battery for it like I did for the Tilt as soon as there are a few available with good reviews, history, and case back designs).
Peter
Here in Baton Rouge the signal was 1-2 bars lower with 1.08.25.08 than the stock radio. Need to try a few more since i paid to unlock it. Gotta get my money's worth
1 to 2 bars lower than stock, my bars will have to start pointing down instead of up! Think I'll wait...
diamond
i want radio 1.08.25.08 please
diamond
i have htc diamond reboot it self
When I made the switch from the AT&T Tilt to the Fuze in December the one thing that I missed was a working GPS. I travel a lot and with the Tilt I could mount the phone in my rental car and by the time I was out of the lot everything was working. I never even thought about it.
As many of you know by now the Fuze GPS is, shall we say, challenged. Some people have worse results than others. Mine would usually get a fix but it took a while, and the lag was also an issue.
I tried various fixes that I found here and none of them did any good, they have all been removed now. I finally decided to bite the bullet and install the 1.12.25.19 radio that some people were raving about. I noticed very little, if any, improvement.
Then I tried the 1.14.25.05 radio. That was a big improvement. It could get a fix in places that even my Tilt couldn't and it got it quickly. I tried it in the car using Tomtom and was surprised that the lag was almost gone. I never looked at the Tilt this closely, it just worked, but it seems that now the Fuze is working as well as the Tilt.
I have seen reports here saying that 1.14.25.05 isn't as good as some others, but it is worth a try if you are already experimenting with radios.
For the record, I have the stock rom without bloat and started with the 1.02.25.32 radio. And I didn't change the rilphone.dll.
Now if we could just get the Tilt buttons onto the Fuze this device would be perfect.
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Now if we could just get the Tilt buttons onto the Fuze this device would be perfect.
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ae button!
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What part of the US are you in? I'm in Southern California, have the .19 radio and GPS fix is under 10sec when using Google Maps. However, it didn't improve my phone reception very much (my wife's iphone gets 1-2 bars more than I do). Curious to know whether it improved your phone reception at all?
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When I made the switch from the AT&T Tilt to the Fuze in December the one thing that I missed was a working GPS. I travel a lot and with the Tilt I could mount the phone in my rental car and by the time I was out of the lot everything was working. I never even thought about it.
As many of you know by now the Fuze GPS is, shall we say, challenged. Some people have worse results than others. Mine would usually get a fix but it took a while, and the lag was also an issue.
I tried various fixes that I found here and none of them did any good, they have all been removed now. I finally decided to bite the bullet and install the 1.12.25.19 radio that some people were raving about. I noticed very little, if any, improvement.
Then I tried the 1.14.25.05 radio. That was a big improvement. It could get a fix in places that even my Tilt couldn't and it got it quickly. I tried it in the car using Tomtom and was surprised that the lag was almost gone. I never looked at the Tilt this closely, it just worked, but it seems that now the Fuze is working as well as the Tilt.
I have seen reports here saying that 1.14.25.05 isn't as good as some others, but it is worth a try if you are already experimenting with radios.
For the record, I have the stock rom without bloat and started with the 1.02.25.32 radio. And I didn't change the rilphone.dll.
Now if we could just get the Tilt buttons onto the Fuze this device would be perfect.
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I am in Central Florida where we have good reception almost everywhere. I didn't notice any difference among all three radios that I tried, reception was always the same, which was good.
One thing that I noticed about the 1.12.25.19 radio was that the gps was inaccurate. When I used google maps with my Tilt I could see what room in the house I was in. With the original radio, 1.02.25.32, it was almost as good, at least I could see that I was in the house. The 1.12.25.19 radio would sometimes put me 1/4 mile away from where I actually was. This even happened when I was outdoors. Tomtom seemed to be able to compensate for the errors but with Tomtom it would get 'lost' occasionally. 1.12.25.19 was my least favorite radio. The 1.14.25.05 radio is quick and accurate at least for me.
The 1.14.25.05 doesn't require anything to get an accurate fix. I used to have to use gpstest or some other program to 'prime' the gps. Now I don't have to worry about it. I just turn it on and a few seconds later it is working.
the gps issue has been resolved and proven over here http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=496800
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the gps issue has been resolved and proven over here http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=496800
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Sorry, I tried it and it didn't do a thing for me with either of the first two radios that I tried. So I guess you could say that I proved that it doesn't work.
The strange thing about this problem is that what works for some doesn't for others.
For me the 1.14.25.05 radio made the gps work like it should have in the beginning. None of the other fixes had any affect. Also note that I used the original rilphone whereas others tried changing theirs. That may be why I had better luck.
At this point I have to say that the Fuze has a very good gps with little or no lag. That is not something that I would have said a few weeks ago. Everything on my phone is original except the newer radio. Maybe HTC discovered this but didn't advertise it.
Im using the stock fuze rom 5.08.502.1 with radio 1.12.25.19. If your looking to speed up the gps lock and have a similar setup, I would recommend using the gps hack first, before flashing a different radio, its much safer, Duces!
Thank you!!!
I can get a fix indoors!!
it was nice of you to share, you helped me a lot.
1.14 is better for me too.
second the original commenter
Both 1.12.25.19 & 1.14.25.05 worked fine for me. However 1.14.25.05 was slightly better. I am also using the registry hack and I set the poll interval to 500.
I recommend this radio to anyone facing problems with GPS.
Thanks for sharing.
This is strange. I live in central florida too, 1/4 mile away from cell phone tower and in the house I'm getting signal strength 2-3 bars, even if phone laying next to the window. From that window I would be able see the tower if it wouldn't be for the huge oak tree in front.
The GPS gets lock in about...5-15 MINUTES! and only outdoors.
With 1.12.25.19 radio I don't get better signal strength, but GPS locks in 10-20 seconds, even indoors.
GPS is definitely better with 1.12.25.19 radio. That radio is by far the champion in overall experience - GPS, GSM signal, HSDPA signal...
As someone already mentioned, it seems results can vary by user. I tried several radios after reading the suggestions on this forum. For my .02 it's the 1.14.25.05v. It gets me a really fast gps lock with usually about ten sattellites. Also, the RF is a little better, calls are clear and whats not to like. I'm stickin' with it.