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I've been relatively happy with my HTC S710/Vox for over a year. The big problem I have with it is speed (CPU and lack of 3G) and lack of memory. Also, with the iPhone, I started missing having a touch screen as well.
So, the Touch Pro sounded like quite the solution to all my problems! More speed, more RAM, high-speed data, and a touch screen GUI that looks beautiful.
But when I finally got my hands on it at a local AT&T store, here were my feelings:
Heavier than my S710
Finger response was quirky
Not as responsive as I thought it would be
Thicker than expected
WinMo Pro/Touch is less intuitive than WinMo Standard/Smartphone
Orientation switch is slower than on my S710!
But it has everything I want hardware wise: high speed connections, GPS, a beautiful QWERTY keyboard, an FM radio, and TF3D.
I actually started looking at the Blackberry Bold and Samsung Epix after playing with the FUZE. All of them have their issues, but I did like the weight of the Bold, and I was surprised how useful the mouse control was on the Epix for one-handed operation! But the Epix is ugly, and the Bold is Blackberry.
So.... here's where I am:
I have been investing my mind in the Touch Pro for months now, and I want to want it. But right now, I feel a bit let down, and I feel like I'll regret spending the money on it because it'll end up being less usable and more bulky than my current S710!
Yes, I know the S740 is a great upgrade for the S710, but it's too $$$ and probably not even US 3G compatible. Also, it's probably too long and square. And there's no way for me to try it out w/o buying it.
The X1 could be an interesting option, but it's not subsidized by any carrier, and $800 is just too steep.
So, help me love the FUZE/Touch Pro again. Please. I don't know what my other options are!
Thanks,
Jon
Flash it with NATF's latest, and it improves a lot.
It's seriously an entirely new device after doing so.
Made me love it even more
Yea, I was VERY upset after I walked out of AT&T w/ my new Fuze. But after flashing ROMeOS and adding some CABs that I wanted, the device is completely different. Fast as hell, very stable, I consider it a very nice upgrade from my Tilt.
However, I really miss the tilt screen feature! I was able to hold that thing perfectly and type very fast but now I can't find a good grip on the Fuze.
I'm not sure if im just lucky, but when it comes to TF3D and screen orientation etc. It is perfect on my device. I get absolutely 0 lag in TF3D, when i change orientation it happens instantly, faster than on my iphone 3g. And my GPS worked 100% perfect with no lag out of the box without downloading telenav. Maybe im just lucky. :-X
joeh4x said:
I'm not sure if im just lucky, but when it comes to TF3D and screen orientation etc. It is perfect on my device. I get absolutely 0 lag in TF3D, when i change orientation it happens instantly, faster than on my iphone 3g. And my GPS worked 100% perfect with no lag out of the box without downloading telenav. Maybe im just lucky. :-X
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So, how would you compare you FUZE to your iPhone? I'm torn between these as well. I just tried both out again... the iPhone's touch interface seems much more usable and rewarding. The FUZE's touch screen seems finicky.
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So, how would you compare you FUZE to your iPhone? I'm torn between these as well. I just tried both out again... the iPhone's touch interface seems much more usable and rewarding. The FUZE's touch screen seems finicky.
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I've had an iPhone, Tilt and Fuze. Of the three, the Fuze is my favorite. The iPhone, like all Apple products, has a clean and easy interface but I didn't like how limited everything was (you can only run apple approved apps, no browser other than Safari, no tethering, etc.) Also, personally, I like TF3D better than the iPhone interface.
And since I use my phone outside a lot, being able to use the touchscreen with gloves on and/or use a stylus was important to me and you can't do that with an iPhone.
All told, it depends on your personal preference. If you like the iPhone interface that much more than TF3D and don't care about application and touchscreen limitiations, you'll probably be happier with the iPhone.
ITNV said:
I've had an iPhone, Tilt and Fuze. Of the three, the Fuze is my favorite. The iPhone, like all Apple products, has a clean and easy interface but I didn't like how limited everything was (you can only run apple approved apps, no browser other than Safari, no tethering, etc.) Also, personally, I like TF3D better than the iPhone interface.
And since I use my phone outside a lot, being able to use the touchscreen with gloves on and/or use a stylus was important to me and you can't do that with an iPhone.
All told, it depends on your personal preference. If you like the iPhone interface that much more than TF3D and don't care about application and touchscreen limitiations, you'll probably be happier with the iPhone.
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Thanks for the insights. It's great to hear that someone likes the FUZE better than the iPhone.
Here's why I haven't bought an iPhone so far:
I like to stream radio stations
I want an FM radio
I like keeping apps open when using other apps
I like the flexibility WM allows over my user experience
I don't like being locked into a carrier/plan
I want a real keyboard
So, like I said, I want to buy the FUZE, but I'm a bit concerned around how lacking it seems to be in the touch area. I felt like I couldn't easily navigate TF3D, and even Opera was hard to "touch" around. Just didn't feel natural. Maybe it's something I have to get used to?
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Thanks for the insights. It's great to hear that someone likes the FUZE better than the iPhone.
Here's why I haven't bought an iPhone so far:
I like to stream radio stations
I want an FM radio
I like keeping apps open when using other apps
I like the flexibility WM allows over my user experience
I don't like being locked into a carrier/plan
I want a real keyboard
So, like I said, I want to buy the FUZE, but I'm a bit concerned around how lacking it seems to be in the touch area. I felt like I couldn't easily navigate TF3D, and even Opera was hard to "touch" around. Just didn't feel natural. Maybe it's something I have to get used to?
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I adjusted the touch sensitivity in the registry a couple of times and after that the navigation seemed a lot easier.
JonDeutsch said:
Thanks for the insights. It's great to hear that someone likes the FUZE better than the iPhone.
Here's why I haven't bought an iPhone so far:
I like to stream radio stations
I want an FM radio
I like keeping apps open when using other apps
I like the flexibility WM allows over my user experience
I don't like being locked into a carrier/plan
I want a real keyboard
So, like I said, I want to buy the FUZE, but I'm a bit concerned around how lacking it seems to be in the touch area. I felt like I couldn't easily navigate TF3D, and even Opera was hard to "touch" around. Just didn't feel natural. Maybe it's something I have to get used to?
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Ok, I know you probably dont want to hear this but except for the keybord part, I think that the new Samsung Omnia is for you!
Why do I say that? I tell you why!
First of all I own a Touch pro and I am very happy with it after flashing a new rom and uppgrading the radio! However, the GPS lag is still there even if it is much less then when I first bought the phone!
Secound, video playback is just crap the video stutters and lags whole the time, so unless you dont mind waiting a few hours it takes to convert the video before putting it on your device then that is really an issue!
Third, the battery life sucks on the device! I have tried many different radios/roms but the battery still drains in less then one day! Yes, you could buy an extended battery, but that will add to the device thickness even more!
Now the only reason I am keeping my TP is in case someone comes upp with a solution to all the problems in the future, especialy the GPS lag!
Yesterday I bought the Omnia and now I am very happy!
First no more GPS lag, battery is still at 40% right now after 2 days of pretty heavy use, the video plays beautiful without any lag/stuttering what so ever, The camera is 5 MegaPixels that really shows it´s strenght!
You get 16 GB built in memory and you can add a mini sd to it as well!
The processor is clocked at 624 MHz and it is very fast, indeed the fastest device I had so far, and believe me when I tell you I have had plenty of them!
Granted that it has less Rom/Ram but it makes it up with the incredible speed, so I can bet you wont notice any difference at all!
The only drawbacks with this device I can think of is:
1. No hardware keybord (It is just like the Iphone, even the dimentions are almost exactly the same!)
2. The stylus ( You cant put it in the device, you have to hang it or put it somwhere else!)
JonDeutsch said:
Thanks for the insights. It's great to hear that someone likes the FUZE better than the iPhone.
Here's why I haven't bought an iPhone so far:
I like to stream radio stations
I want an FM radio
I like keeping apps open when using other apps
I like the flexibility WM allows over my user experience
I don't like being locked into a carrier/plan
I want a real keyboard
So, like I said, I want to buy the FUZE, but I'm a bit concerned around how lacking it seems to be in the touch area. I felt like I couldn't easily navigate TF3D, and even Opera was hard to "touch" around. Just didn't feel natural. Maybe it's something I have to get used to?
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Don't forget Copy/Paste, MMS, Stereo BT... and many other features that are not on the iPhone or native to the iPhone... yes... I know there are "apps" that could fill in some of the gaps... but still
Just like with all new stuff, you'll have to get used to the 'touching' part on the Fuze. Also, there are apps out there that you can tweak your Fuze to get a better experience. Check out the tweaks thread.
Hello peeps I need some advice. I have ventured away from WM for an iphone and I love it but I sure do miss my former toy. I am thinking of buying an AT&T fuze to play with in addition to my iPhone but I get some mixed reviews. Is there really a better WM option for me or is the fuze the best I'm gona get right now? I have heard of diamond screen deaths so I ruled out an unlocked diamond and I have tried to research some but I keep coming back to the fuze. Any suggestions would be great.
Ps money doesn't really matter
I just want another toy
Fuze for sure... read the review on Boygeniusreport.com... the At&t Fuze Vs. Xperia X1... these are the two WM monsters right now and the fuze beats it on price (which i know doesnt matter), Wi-Fi reception and backlighting on the keyboard... I LOVE MY FUZE i would definantly recommend one... i have had 0 Problems with mine
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Fuze for sure... read the review on Boygeniusreport.com... the At&t Fuze Vs. Xperia X1... these are the two WM monsters right now and the fuze beats it on price (which i know doesnt matter), Wi-Fi reception and backlighting on the keyboard... I LOVE MY FUZE i would definantly recommend one... i have had 0 Problems with mine
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I agree. I love my FUZE. I tried for other WM devices but cannot make my mind to go with any other WM device (may be HD but does not have keyboard).
Of course 99% of the people in here are going to love it so we're a bit biased but I'll try to be honest.
Stock from ATT there were a few gripes I had but some simple tweaks I learned here fixed most of them. But there are a things that are still a little bit annoying.
-The whole phone is a glossy fingerprint magnet. It's pretty till you touch it, you'll spend alot of time wiping it on your sleeve to keep the screen clear.
-The direction pad sucks at going left or right. Even when you know where the sweet spot is you still hit "home" or "back" enough to make game playing with the d-pad impossible.
-I hate how HTC never puts a 3.5mm headset jack on most their phones. Using an adapter isn't a big deal but it's annoying.
Luckily I don't play alot of games, and all phones attract fingerprints so it's something you'll probably be used to anyway. The last issue I have is my video playback with TCPMP is really bad right now but I believe its a driver issue I just haven't sorted yet.
Regardless of the above issues the Fuze is the best. If anybody gave me a free iPhone, xperia, omnia, storm or whatever I'd sell it and get a Fuze.
i think what i am really missing is slingbox my iphone cant do that yet...but still i love to tinker and i can do that on my iphone it is a much much much better experienc on wm phone.....thouch hd does not have us 3g or i would get that for sure also with the fuze i can just run down the street and get it whenever i want...also the finger print thing i am used to with iphone so no big deal....i had a kaiser is slingbox any better with fuze being vga?
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Of course 99% of the people in here are going to love it so we're a bit biased but I'll try to be honest.
Stock from ATT there were a few gripes I had but some simple tweaks I learned here fixed most of them. But there are a things that are still a little bit annoying.
-The whole phone is a glossy fingerprint magnet. It's pretty till you touch it, you'll spend alot of time wiping it on your sleeve to keep the screen clear.
-The direction pad sucks at going left or right. Even when you know where the sweet spot is you still hit "home" or "back" enough to make game playing with the d-pad impossible.
Luckily I don't play alot of games, and all phones attract fingerprints so it's something you'll probably be used to anyway. The last issue I have is my video playback with TCPMP is really bad right now but I believe its a driver issue I just haven't sorted yet.
Regardless of the above issues the Fuze is the best. If anybody gave me a free iPhone, xperia, omnia, storm or whatever I'd sell it an get a Fuze.
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after about a month with my iphone 3g i can honestly say i aint going no place...i love it....it will always be first...kinda like having the hottest chick around sometimes you want to play with something different
Not sure what the point was for this thread, but i'm closing it. There are plenty of reviews and discussion available to help you make your decision. "best (fill in the blank)" threads are not very useful and generally closed quickly.
I currently have an 8525 and am due to upgrade in a couple months. I admit I am very dissapointed that att isn't picking up the diamond. I like it. Moreover, I like how the site is full of cleaned up roms!! I never really liked my phone until I flashed my first rom and it sped up incredibly.
So, my question is this. I was looking at the LG insight and I kinda liked it. Does anyone know if there is a site for that phone that has roms?
I got over them not getting the diamond. I held hope for the Omnia. Now im just pissed. I think the Incite was a bad choice and I can only conclude they must have gotten it cheap compared to the omnia or diamond. I heard the GPS may not be working well too, I would have to confirm that.
The diamond or omnia are just so much better yet ATT goes with the incite? sigh.
I would google some reviews before you make a decesion.
I ended up with a treo pro in the end anyway. Its a compromise, keyboard but small screen.
AT&T got the raphael, bold, and the iphone. i'd say that's about as good a lineup you could ask for. just ask my fellow friends at tmobile and we'll say you're a bunch lucky ducks
Insights on the Incite
papageoff said:
. . . So, my question is this. I was looking at the LG insight and I kinda liked it. Does anyone know if there is a site for that phone that has roms?
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. . . I think the Incite was a bad choice and I can only conclude they must have gotten it cheap compared to the omnia or diamond. I heard the GPS may not be working well too, I would have to confirm that. . .
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I have an Incite. My observations:
1) screen is beautiful for a device that's not VGA - much sharper than the Tilt, and the Incite Today Screen plugin looks quite nice.
2) The jogwheel on the side is a nice feature.
3) I don't like the vibrate-touch feature, but it can be turned off.
4) Pandora is awesome, but AT&T wants to stick you for $8.95/mo on the Incite, where it is free on iPhone. Unfortunately, the Pandora.exe file won't display properly on either a Tilt or a Fuze, which brings up:
5) Many programs of standard dimensions (240x320), especially games, won't display properly. For instance, Battery Status options can't all be accessed.
6) GPS will not communicate with the iGuidance GPS software I use, although GPSTest works.
7) Using the landscape keyboard is nearly impossible because it takes up so much of the screen that only one line of type is visible. The Portrait SureType-style keyboard is fine.
8) The dialer is very good looking and easy to use.
All in all, a pretty good first WinMo offering from LG, IMHO, but not cutting-edge.
You could get an Unlocked Diamond and put your at&t sim card in it...
or just get the touch pro the thickness really isnt an issue
i came from an 8525 so much better and smaller
Hi guys!
Well, after four FUZE's.... for me, my partner, and two employees, it seems like it's time for an upgrade.
I've a blast with NATF's 4 series ROMS, and after about a year, I'm looking for a new device.
I noticed that the Touch Pro has the same CPU as our trusty Raphs, so I am not thrilled with that.
I find my device rather sluggish. It's not terrible, but... well... you know how it is!
So... Does anyone have any experience with a newer device? Maybe the Touch Pro 2 IS a big improvement (better resolution / tilt keyboard...), but it doesn't appear that way.
Thoughts are most definitely welcome.
I need to order another device, and right now, I just can't think of anything beyond yet another Fuze.
I'd love to hear what you guys have to say! I'm itching for a new device!
Thanks!
Mike
i don't find it that sluggish...
iPhone now? or the Palm Pre?
If your TP is sluggish, are you running the rom that came with the phone?
Mine was, until I discovered the cooked 6.5 roms back in May. I've flashed mine dozens of times. The 2303x builds are LIGHTNING fast, and depending on who you get it from, 99% of them are rock stable.
Pop over to the rom section, read the "flashing guide for Newbies" and then check out some of the great roms. These guys put in a LOT of time making the WM software better, and NO CARRIER BLOATWARE.
Michael_514 said:
Hi guys!
Well, after four FUZE's.... for me, my partner, and two employees, it seems like it's time for an upgrade.
I've a blast with NATF's 4 series ROMS, and after about a year, I'm looking for a new device.
I noticed that the Touch Pro has the same CPU as our trusty Raphs, so I am not thrilled with that.
I find my device rather sluggish. It's not terrible, but... well... you know how it is!
So... Does anyone have any experience with a newer device? Maybe the Touch Pro 2 IS a big improvement (better resolution / tilt keyboard...), but it doesn't appear that way.
Thoughts are most definitely welcome.
I need to order another device, and right now, I just can't think of anything beyond yet another Fuze.
I'd love to hear what you guys have to say! I'm itching for a new device!
Thanks!
Mike
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Get an iPhone. Duh!
On a serious note, it depends on whether you want to stay on the Windows Mobile platform or not, and whether you still want a physical keyboard or not. If you don't mind giving all touch-screen a try, then consider getting the Touch Pro HD (HTC Blackstone). I've heard great things about it, and it looks absolutely lovely. Otherwise, the only real upgrade path that I can think of is getting the Touch Pro 2 or similar.
It's really hard to upgrade when you're pretty much at the upper limit for smartphones. The Raphael is one of HTC's fastest devices, so keep that in mind.
My friend went from a Sprint Touch Pro (CDMA) to an Iphone 3G S 32GB... and he is a computer science grad student and a tech nerd... and he is blown away by the iphone. Yes Iphone OS is not like WM in functionality, but what the OS lacks, the apps make up for it. The Iphone is very stable, doesn't overheat (his doesn't), and is incredibly snappy. Plus its got a great screen, a built in ipod, etc. Just no insurance! =X And Apple control...
Hi guys!
First of all, allow me to clarify... I would 100% like to stay with a Windows Mobile phone, and second of all, I DEFINITELY need a slide out QWERTY keyboard.
And FYI.. I should have clarified... I am not a newbie! I have been hacking these phones and updating my ROMS for years now.
As I thought I mentioned, I have been flashing NATF's ROMS.
I started out with the CASIO BOSS in 1986, and as of late, I've had around six HTC phones, from the SX-66 to the 8125 to the 8525 to the FUZE, and so forth.
I don't know much about the iPhone 3GS, but I wrote a lengthy review of the 3G, and it just didn't suit my needs.
And like it or not, the FUZE is sluggish on my levels, even with the best ROMS. I don't think it's TERRIBLE, not at all, but let's face it... It's more like the feeling I get working off my modest Tablet PC on battery, than off my 4 monitored desktop's Quad Core Q9450 64Bit CPU, with 8 GB of RAM and 4TB on the hard drive.
There is just that little bit of 2008/2009 sluggishness that is making me a little eager and power hungry for a mind-blowing 2009/2010 device.
So, yeah, all this to say, I am not looking for an iPhone(!)
I am looking for a kick-ass Windows Mobile device that is the "next generation". The 8525 was an excellent jump from the 8125, which was an excellent jump from the SX66.
I am just looking for an equivalent jump, even if it's not made by HTC.
The FUZE/Touch Pro was THE must-have phone for all Hermes users.
I just needed a little guidance for the next one.
I am still looking for your suggestions! Thanks!
The TP2 has the best keyboard I've ever used on a phone. I've had the 8525, Tilt and Touch Pro (and a few others along the way). In fact, if I spend a few more days with it I may be faster with it than a desktop...it's really that good. As for performance, the AT&T version is excepted to come with 6.5 and 6.5 does run a lot better than 6.1 does in terms of speed but it's also a lot smoother overall and easier to use. It's probably 45 days off though if the rumors are right. The screen (a huge WVGA) feels a lot more sensitive. As far as speed, it is the same chipset and I've used both a Touch HD and a TP2 and it does feel faster but I think it's partially due to a mroe sensitive screen and people confuse that with the response time because the taps are easier to register. using TF3D you get your occasional hiccup. For my 2 cents I think when 6.5 comes out TF3D may not be as necessary but it's a personal preference. I hope TF3D 2.5 runs lighter since as a program it is pretty heavy in v2.1. All of this plays into 'speed'. In short though, the TP2 does feel like a pretty big upgrade over the TP(1). Again,t he screen size lets you see so much more that it simply puts it into another class. You can easily one hand emails with the onscreen keyboard and that works great for short responses but for large emails just open the keyboard and you feel like you have a minicomputer.
I've just purchased a TP2 to replace my TP1.
Same familiar WinMo, same massive repoistory of software, bigger screen, better keyboard. And it's not a piece of fruit
Thanks guys!
Very interesting praise for the TP2.
I had no idea the AT&T version was just around the corner. Good news.
bugsy, that is quite the glowing review. I was quite surprised to hear it had the same processor as the TP. I was hoping for a little boost!
Thanks again!
I just ordered one on ebay!
I know it's a little late, but have you considered symbian?
Nokia's got some really cool smart phones. The N97's bad ass!
Acer m900 until the USA compatible Omnia Pro shows up. Everything on the Acer is snappier than the Touch Pro, and probably what the older Wizard was like. Glad to be off the candy toy-phone the HTC made the Touch Pro into. Couldn't even do handwriting, nor using the VGA proper on a screen of that tiny size and the Qualcomm lag...
Both (m900, OmniaPro) still half as fast as the iPhone 3GS, but waiting for the 3GS to gain either cheap unlocked, or Palm Pre to go GSM. Nokia is still in some ditch thinking crap cpus can get them far.
Let us know how it turns out.
I'm in the market to buy something functional with a little flash for the girlfriend. I personally love my Touch Pro II, but I'm used to flashing/updating/dealing with the device, and I'm looking for something a little more rugged and friendly for her use.
Preferably WinMo, Phone edition would be fine
Physical keyboard, since she texts me almost constantly, and I think she would enjoy the upgrade
Non-slider
Basic camera is fine
AT&T
I've looked at the Palm Treo Pro, the HTC Maple, and the Samsung Jack, none of which really sold me, am I missing a killer phone for this segment?
Thanks! -Ian
That's a pretty tough decision...
I think WM is not very friendly, maybe you should consider buying an Android phone for her.
So for example the Motorola Droid? You'll have to unlock it though.
I think the Touch pro 2 is still the best decision, adding a nice theme to it would make it look good for your girlfriend.
Just for her
Buy the lovely one she most like.
Sometimes man likes, but woman doesn't like...
Maybe she likes a simple and fashion or cool cell phone.
So, you can ask her and give her the best one.
^..^