I am planning to buy any of these 2 devices and would like to get some input about benefits and drawbacks....
Any feedback?
cmairhof
I have unoversal, and aranged 2 wizards for work colleagues, however they are not power users.
the uni has a faster processor. it also has 3g video phone, which I don't use, but like having the 3g data connection to the internet at 384kbps.
I also like the vga screen, and the ability to clam close my device to protect the screen and hide the info from nosy people.
I believe the wizard is slightly smaller, but thicker in size. lacks 3g, and nipot sure but don't think it has vga.
also, with wizard, even though the processor is smaller, I think it has other efficiencies.
if you search, you will see other comments debating back and forth. there is another that is scathing uni and praise the wiz.
one other purported downside of wiz is the mini sd rather than the sd card. I believe its the only device like this.
you can probably find a bit more on the specs on wiki for each device.
The Wizard has Edge but not VGA. Also the Universal doesn't have the 850 MHz GSM band, which may be a consideration if you want to use it on a North American network (e.g. Cingular).
I was choosing between wizard and uni myself. Did research on both of them, was kinda leaning toward the universal but than when i went and saw the thing in real life... I was crying like a virgin on a honeymoon. The thing is WAY TOO BIG. Well, for my lifestyle it is, size could not be an issue with you, if it isn't; go for the universal.
guess everybody have their max size
my himalaya is too big in the eyes of normal cellphone owners
and prob smartphone owners too
Qtek 9600/hermes will be the next gen wizard and will have UMTS
not VGA though
Hi guys.. I am currently looking at getting a jamin, but because my company is part of hp they get good prices on Hp stuff.. naturally. so I found this device http://www.shopping.hp.com/webapp/s...rderflow=1&product_code=FA674B#ABA&catLevel=1
is there anyone who is able to tell me a bit more about it? I see it has a 500+ MHz proccessor. no camera though, thats not so important. I really want to get push email and A2DP support.
cheers
It isn't rebadged as such, HTC are the ODM for HP's iPaq range from well before the XDA was released. There are many sites around reviewing iPaqs. I have a HX4700 and it's great as a portable media centre with a 5gb microdrive, A2DP works well but I still prefer units with GSM capability, which the hx2495 does not have.
EDIT - IIRC there is a HP 6828 badged XDA atom in some markets?
http://h20000.www2.hp.com/bizsuppor...eId=215348&prodSeriesId=1839223&lang=en&cc=us
Richard
Thanks Fluffcat, is this only cdma? what options are there in the HP range for gsm? also I read that the atom is also 'rebadged' by HP which model ipaq is this??
cheers
Jurgen
haha I just saw your edit.. is the HP iPAQ rw6828 gsm or cdma? or are there both available?
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haha I just saw your edit.. is the HP iPAQ rw6828 gsm or cdma? or are there both available?
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http://h18000.www1.hp.com/products/quickspecs/12430_div/12430_div.HTML
better specs - there's a 6818 as well as a 6828. 6818 does not have wifi, and they are tri-band GSM.
Tri-band GSM/GPRS / EDGE (GSM 900/1,800/1,900 MHz)
Richard
thanks Richard. what would be the better device? imate jamin or 6818?
also looking at the HP website it doesn't appear the 6828 is available yet - I didn't see a price for it anywhere. is the 6818 available?
as always thanks for your help
Jurgen
Hi.
What about 6900? I am not sure it's out yet but I think it should have everything (WiFi, Bluetooth even GPS). The only downside is the square screen.
Personally I've got to play with a few HP devices (most weren't phones) and finally settled on the Jamin my self.
I am happy with it so far and here is why:
1. Size (important for a phone in my opinion)
2. Connectivity / expandability - WiFi g, Bluetooth 2.0, EDGE, full SD.
3. 2MP camera with macro mode (mainly just a bonus, but still nice to have)
4. Mini usb instead of proprietary plug - I just find it convenient as I don't have to carry a sync cable or connect the charger if the device is synced. Plus if I ever have the misfortune of loosing or damaging the cable it will be easy to replace.
But that's just me. Before getting a device that would replace my phone I was perfectly happy with iPaq 1710. Any way, if you will settle on an HP that is not a phone I recommend 2790.
thanks Levenum. What I like about the rw6828 is that it is suppossed to be an atom clone. The way I see it is the atom is pretty much a jamin but with a gruntier cpu. and i have been testing a jamin - i like the size for a phone, and its packed with features. the only down side being its not 3g - but internet traffic is still expensive anyway.
What is the difference between these two phones (if any) and what are the differences between them and the Wizard?
Iy would be great if someone (e.g HTC) had a simple features comparison on their website but I guess that is asking for a little too much!
it's the same device... just different name
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What is the difference between these two phones (if any) and what are the differences between them and the Wizard?
Iy would be great if someone (e.g HTC) had a simple features comparison on their website but I guess that is asking for a little too much!
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http://europe.htc.com/products/tytn.php
here you can find all specs
well it just mean that htc will not be using their internal code name
as the name they will be selling their devices retail
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well it just mean that htc will not be using their internal code name
as the name they will be selling their devices retail
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yes they are planning from now sell also under the brand name HTC
The TyTN is the HTC branded Hermes. T-Mobile will call it the vario II, Orange the M3100 or something and HTC names it's own device the TyTN. They are all the same hardware, only software can differ from carrier to carrier, the same as in the past with Qtek, I-Mate, T-Mobile etc. HTC chose not only to produce the Hermes, but to market the device under their own brand name as well as the TyTN.
The main differences with the Vario I are UMTS, HSPDA ready, better camera, extra cam for video telephone, jog dial and different design and button lay-out.
Dopod call Dopod 9000 or CHT9000 came out Taiwan market today,price will be NT$25,800.00 about US$800.00.
http://shopping.pchome.com.tw/dopod/detail.php?pid=AZV00183
sorry that is Chinese.
Koksie said:
The TyTN is the HTC branded Hermes. T-Mobile will call it the vario II, Orange the M3100 or something and HTC names it's own device the TyTN. They are all the same hardware, only software can differ from carrier to carrier, the same as in the past with Qtek, I-Mate, T-Mobile etc. HTC chose not only to produce the Hermes, but to market the device under their own brand name as well as the TyTN.
The main differences with the Vario I are UMTS, HSPDA ready, better camera, extra cam for video telephone, jog dial and different design and button lay-out.
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I started doing some digging and I am now wondering if it is really better than the Wizard. Here is what I found (warning - this is to the best of my knowledge and my uasge for the device may vary from yours so as always YMMV)
Here are the pros...
Faster processor (nice and sweet!)
more connectivity (nice if cingular gets the network up!)
Better camera (although this is a wash for me since I don't use the camera for anything close to serious.)
Jog dial - might be nice
Washes
Screen size and quality - same (not that it is bad now though)
Size - About the same. TyTN is a little longer but a bit narrower and not as deep.
Memory - Same with 128/64 and I was hoping this would be better.
Cons
Weight - The TyTN actually weighs more (26g) than the Wizard or at least the 8125 version. Not a huge deal but would be nicer to go the other way, especially if the extra weight is for a second camera for videophone that I will never use!
Micro SD - This is debatable but I see three negatives here... MicroSD does not have the capcaity that MiniSD does and I will have to get all new cards. Also mini sd is $34 for 1GB and micro SD is $47 or 38% more expensive (from new egg) If at least the tradeoff was a siginificantly smaller form factor then I would say it was okay but that is not the case so why!
odd Headphone jack - Okay, most people probably use bluetooth anyway so who cares about a hard jack, but why make upgrading any more costly than it is now. If it is to get a higher sound quality, who cares since with the reduced storage space of Micro SD it is not like you can load up 320 kbps mp3s anyway!
So basically my question is why would most people upgrade? This seems like a mild improvement at best with enough potential cons to make it a no go. That is really disappointing!
well my two cents on the Wizard and the Hermes ....
before the Cingular 8125 came out or any of the HTC Wizard flavors were available in the US, the Hermes has been in the news so i myself was planning to get an O2 XDA mini S (which i was planning to use in California) to somewhat replace my XDA Exec, I read about the Hermes and told myself to hold off and wait for the 3G version of the Wizard ... Note that the processor's clock speed is twice of the wizard ... Note also that the same Hermes CPU has been compared equal or better than the XDA Exec's Intel XScale 520Mhz CPU ...
If you are using the Cingular network then you might want to go get the Hermes maybe around the end of the year since 3G won't be available until then for Cingular ... while T-Mobile, well forget it, they won't roll out 3G in the next 2 years or so ...
It's just disappointing that we in the US are behind in mobile phone technology ... yeah we're catching up but we're still behind ....
For me the biggest plus is the UMTS. in Holland we have a 9.5 euros per month data plan with unlimited GPRS/WIfi/UMTS. A nice offer to go with the Hermes. You are right that the extra weight and the micro SD are cons, but since I hav not yet invested too much in mini SD that is not really an issue for me. Neither is the headset plug, I use the standard ones or a BT headset, so no biggie for me, especially since the Hermes will feature A2DP. And the extra weight is not important for me, I'm strong enough for the extra 26 gr.
The faster processor and the jog dial alone are worth the upgrade for me especially since it will not cost me much. Maybe 200 euros with a 1 year extension, so that's reasonable (Vario I only cost me 84 euros with a 1 year extension for 22.5 euros per month). UMTS is enough to really make the decision easy for me, let the Vario II arrive!
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Note that the processor's clock speed is twice of the wizard ...
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Partly true. The Mhz of the Hermes is twice as much and that might mean that the clock speed is doubled, but the overall speed and performance is not necessarily twice as high.
Different architecture makes an OMAP processor not easily comparable to an XScale or Samsung processor, at least not just based on Mhz. OMAP is double core and other architectural differences make the comparison above too simplified. You can compare it to the AMD and Intel processors, different Mhz (Ghz) but equal or better performance.
Anothe example are the MP in a digital camera. Just the amount of pixels does not mean much, 6 MP camera's with inferior lenses and chips may perform worse than 4 Mp camera's with better lenses and chips. We see it everyday in our beloved HTC devices, 1.3 MP in a Wizard sounds nice, but I know vga (300k) camera's that make better pictures than the Wizard.
Don't get blinded by the Mhz of the processor, that's all I want to say.
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for me umts is the plus
and the cam is the thing i care little about
the quality of cmos cams which are used in mobiles
because the ccd which real dig cams use, use too much power
is poor even if it's 10MP
their problem is not pixels but colours and light sensitivness
imho they can only be used to photo poor pictures of loch ness
and ufo's and then you can mms the photo to your friends or something
I think the first CCD phone/pda was announced this week. The Qool Labs QDA Icon http://asia.cnet.com/reviews/handhelds/0,39001708,39260541p,00.htm
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Don't get blinded by the Mhz of the processor, that's all I want to say.
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But it's really fast. I have both, wizard and hermes.
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raskal said:
Koksie said:
Don't get blinded by the Mhz of the processor, that's all I want to say.
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But it's really fast. I have both, wizard and hermes.
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Gotta be I guess...
Hermes is the project CodeName
Typically, when hardware or software products are originally developed, the engineering group chooses a code name for the project/product, so that (1) it will be easily spoken and recognized which project you're talking about in daily conversation (within the circle of people involved in it), and (2) to make it harder for competitors to initially figure out what the project is about if they hear the name. Hermes was HTC's code name for the development project for a device whose derivatives were ultimately produced under a variety of different Marketing Names for HTC's distribution partners (eg, O2, Vodaphone, Cingular, T-Mobile, Verizon, etc). Recently, HTC decided to distribute a Hermes version under their own marketing brand ("HTC Tytn", and developed a reseller distribution channel for that brand outside of their original wireless carrier partners.
Another example of this that many folks have already heard of: Microsoft's code name for the development of a future operating system project that they started back around 2001 or so was "Longhorn"; the resulting product(s) from that project is about to ship now as "Vista". BTW, an interesting bit of trivia on this one: the MS engineering team that develop Windows were being taken to Whistler/Blackcomb ski resort in BC once per year (perk) to party & relax. So when it came time to come up with a code name for the next version of Windows to develop, they chose "Whistler" (the products coming out of this project were eventually given the names by Marketing as "Windows XP" and "Windows Server 2003"). Shortly after the Whistler project began, they also began the development of Whistler's successor, and gave it the code name of "Blackcomb" (which is the twin mountain at the ski resort next to Whistler Mountain); however, the development timeline for the original specs of Blackcomb was underestimated, feature-creep also set in which lengthened completion even more, so it became apparent that an "interim" version of Windows needed to be released before Blackcomb was ready. At the ski resort' base village, the gondola lift stations for the two mountains are a short walking distance apart, and in-between them is a bar called the "Longhorn Saloon", so they named this "in-between" development project Longhorn; as mentioned above, the Marketing name assigned to the products from this project is Vista. Meanwhile, further delays and problems plagued the Blackcomb project, so another project & code name came into existence "Vienna", and it is now uncertain whether project Blackcomb will continue or if Vienna takes its place (probably the latter). The Vienna code name came about because it is one of the cities of the world with a spectacular vista (view). Just goes to show that there are usually interesting stories behind how the development groups choose project code names, and how creative they can be. Makes you wonder what the story is behind HTC choosing the "Hermes" name, huh?
I too have both the Wizard (Cingular 8125 version) and a new HTC Tytn version of Hermes. The most important differences to me are:
> A2DP/AVRCP, and it works! (supports stereo Bluetooth headphones)
> Jog-dial (I'll use keys before stylus any chance I can get)
> Faster processor (Need for Speed)
> 2mp camera (I've rarely used a phone camera in the past because of low-res/poor quality, but now we're getting into the ballpark of acceptable quality pix)
> teleconferencing camera on the front (curious about using a potentially very cool feature as teleconferencing continues to grow among my friends & family)
> UMTS/HSDPA (Need for Speed again). Browsing with Edge is a pain in the *ss. I've become addicted to UMTS in my notebook computer wireless card...almost like DSL, and now I can actually USE the phone for browsing. I'm a "blue-side" (ATT Wireless) Cingular customer, fortunate to have UMTS around me here.
> I think the Tytn is immediately superior to the Wizard phones over-all. Worth getting one now, instead of waiting for UMTS network completion.
I concur with the previous poster about the Tytn shortcomings, in particular:
> No 2.5/3.5mm headset jack (the HTC guys that decided that one should be hung by their tongues); I'm building an adapter right now so that I can hopefully use some decent headphones & mike (the earbuds/mike that comes with the phone is crap)
> headphone connector (miniUSB) is located in an unusual location, such that third party carrying cases' made for the installed base of popular HTC phones (eg, Vaja) now have the headphone hole cut-out in the "wrong" location (ie, can't listen to mp3 music via wired headphones when the phone is in the case, unless you butcher the case to make a hole in the "right" location)
> boring aesthetic design...in a world where Motorola, Sony and now even
Samsung are leading the market in sexy styling, the HTC phones are looking pretty staid & grim.
> When is a Windows Mobile phone going to get a reliable voice-dialer, like that of the Treo (had one of those before the Wizard)? This thing is a deaf & dumb when it comes to voice recognition!
> the freakin' dial-pad buttons are STILL too small (Wizard has same problem)! I'm constantly fat-fingering the wrong keys on the screen, and I'm tired of using my fingernail to dial...does anyone out there have a better dial-pad that takes up most of the screen that can be loaded into this thing?
HTC Raphael, now called the T-Mobile MDA Vario IV in Europe, will hit streets sometime in Q2 2008. As for specs, we’re looking at 158 grams, 300 minutes of talk time, 480×640 pixel screen, tri-band GSM, a 528MHz processor, 256MB on-board RAM, Bluetooth, WiFi, GPS, FM radio, and a 3.2MP camera.
More : http://www.1800pocketpc.com/2008/05/30/htc-raphael-specs-and-images.html
Awesomeness!
I am personally waiting for this phone. but it looks like tmobile got the short end of the stick with the pink and white layout instead of black and green. yucky
Hey! I reported on this yesterday.
oopse didnt see that one on the 1st page when i posted it , may be the emods can merge it
That really, REALLY looks like the shadow II spy pics. T-Mo USA too?
I think I want one. How much is a going rate for a second hand slightly scratched TytnII to enable me to upgrade. Only 4 months old...DAMN IT!
Nice keyboard!
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HTC Raphael, now called the T-Mobile MDA Vario IV in Europe, will hit streets sometime in Q2 2008. As for specs, we’re looking at 158 grams, 300 minutes of talk time, 480×640 pixel screen, tri-band GSM, a 528MHz processor, 256MB on-board RAM, Bluetooth, WiFi, GPS, FM radio, and a 3.2MP camera. . .
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Woohoo! VGA screen, keyboard sliding back to the Wizard side, and a separate row of numbers so Fn key not necessary to access, a Control-Key (double-woohoo)! - that's the way it should be! I don't even care if the screen tilts or not.
I really hope they're planning a quad-band GSM, tri-band HSDPA version also, so AT&T users aren't left in the lurch.
To echo the sentiment of many earlier replies, this certainly looks like an awesome bit of kit!
However, I think I'll reserve Judgement till it released.
Used to have (amongst others) a HTC univeral. Spent 6 months tweaking it to get it to run the way I liked it and without this board probably never would have got it right!
Only upgraded to a kiaser because I accidentally trone on my uni (RIP).
Kaiser is a good device but in fairness has it problems - NONE of which have been rectified by HTC thus I approach this new device with caution.
In fairness I hope it lives up to the hype - but HTC if you're listening PLEASE can we have a similar device but with at least a 3" (tilting) screen and an FM tuner! lol
Can a CDMA phone like the Verizon XV6900 or Touch Diamond work for AT&T. I am pretty sure the answer is no but I was curious.
Unfortunately not. CDMA phones and GSM phones are phones with completely different antenna hardware, and will physically not work with vice versa networks. I had a verizon Nokia 6015i that I thought had a working sim card slot and tried, but there werent even pins. Just because it shared shells with the Nokia 6012 GSM phone, didn't mean it had hardware capable of either network.
In the case of those phones in specific, unless they had a dedicated dual-antenna setup (in the likes of the new Blackberries and some Verizon-branded 'worldphones'), the phone wouldn't even have a sim-card slot to operate on GSM, much less the antennas. Some Verizon worldphones have dual-antenna capabilities, but only have quadband GSM frequencies, no HSPA/3G. I could be wrong, but last I checked, that was as possible as it could get.
For the two phones you've specified, the VX6900 is designed for Verizon Wireless only with CDMA hardware, and the Touch Diamond, while physically identical on the outside, is also outfitted with CDMA-only hardware even though there were GSM variants of the phone made too.