so can anyone tell me if I am right? Here in north america we are just starting to get UMTS in some areas. And I have been waiting for the universal wanting to get one. but our north american umts network is on the 1900 mhz band mode and the rest of the world uses the 2100 mhz band mode for umts. that meens that the universal will have its umts radio on 2100. So does that meen it wont work here as a umts device and I will be stuck with just gprs?? if so I just cant buy it
Hi,
AFAIK, all UMTS phones, so the Universal, are GPS phones as well. So, form a technical point of view you can use the phone whereever there is reception. At least here in germany,the GPS service provider are the same as the UMTS service provider. So, if you leave a UMTS zone the phone automatically logs into the GPS zone. I would expect that it is the same in the US.
rgds
marco
EDIT: Now I have read your message completely and see, that I provided an answer that does not match your question 2nd try: I would expect that if you get your UMTS device via an US provider that it matches its UMTS band. But, without coverage you are stuck with GPRS/GPS, thats right
ARGH, that sucks. because Im sure that by the time they make a north american universal it will be outdated anyway :roll:
I tend to agree. I thought that with UMTS whis crazy frequency problem would disappear finally....
I just checked on the german t-mobile page, which has the Universal, T-Mobile MDA Pro as they call it, on their page.
Unfortunately there is no UMTS frequency mentioned. Maybe there is one generic UMTS setting which allows different frequencies to be used, and all UMTS devices support all the frequencies?
OK, that might be a bit optimistic, I agree ...
Edit:
I got interested and checked for the UMTS frequency situation: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/UMTS
So, even with the special US situation, the UMTS frequencies are not connected to contries but comminucation methods (FDD, TDD). So, as long as the UMTS implementation in the US does not differ from the ITU standards, you should be able to use the Universal in the US. But even the above mentioned wiki page is not clear on the situation, so probably you will have to wait and see ...
Oh well I guess I will just have to wait for the wizard or maybee even (Forgive me) a non htc device???
if the wizard has a slower prosesor than my magician I just cant buy it either. and I have my magician tweaked up to 520mhz
I know this is off-topic
I have my magician tweaked up to 520mhz
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what program are you using for that...??
I tried PHM and it hang :evil:
then I tried XCPUScalar.. and it worked, I could overclock it to 520 MHz, but when I tried Beta-Player to benchmark the device.... it said 416 MHz..
and when I used lower speeds.. Beta-player and the XCPUScalar gave the same result
so I could only under-clock my device, but I couldn't overclock it...
are you sure that your device is running at 520 MHz?? and if so, is it stable??and any noticeable improvement in performance??
thanks in advance
Heres the deal my friends in the US.
And btw....its really not good news at all....
http://pocketpcdubai.com/index2.htm
Guys, I'm really interested on buying the Touch Cruise. I read everywhere that this phone connects to 3G networks worldwide.
However, according to the specs of GSM Arena, this phone is connects to HSDPA 2100 and HSDPA 850 / 1900 - US version.
THIS IS WHAT INTRIGUED ME! "US VERSION"!
Are there two versions of this phone?
I live in Brazil where carriers connect to 3G networks in different frequencies. Some on 850 MHz, and most on 2100 MHz.
I thought this phone had only one version!
Thanks!
No, there are not 2 versions. They just denoted 850/1900 as US to make it simpler for US customers to know that their bands are supported. All Touch Cruise's have all 3G bands.
Thank you very much! This is exactly what I wanted to hear! I'm going to NY in august, and I plan to buy the phone there.
I saw this store: MobileCity. The price there for the Polaris is $749.
Maybe it'll be cheaper in August!
ah... what the heck - maybe I'll change my mind in August and buy another!
One more thing: In your opinion, Polaris or Kaiser?
I think if you do a search on the forum you will find a thread where the differences are discussed. In summary, Kaiser has a keyboard if you are more comfortable using that (if you anticipate using it a lot). The Kaiser is bulkier/heavier than the TC. The TC has a built-in FM radio, don't think the Kaiser has that. They are very similar functionally. Do a search and check out that thread for more details.
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I think if you do a search on the forum you will find a thread where the differences are discussed. In summary, Kaiser has a keyboard if you are more comfortable using that (if you anticipate using it a lot). The Kaiser is bulkier/heavier than the TC. The TC has a built-in FM radio, don't think the Kaiser has that. They are very similar functionally. Do a search and check out that thread for more details.
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My answer: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=349751
Alright, I know this has probably been covered some where, and I know that this is a "world wide site", and I know this is all going to sound stupid given the answer is in my own post, but a question:
I am really liking the look of this phone, and I want to get one (when ever it comes out), but in Australia, our largest HSDPA network is Telstra NextG, which is 850 band. Looking at the specifications for the machine (this site had everything well laid out):
http://www.gsmarena.com/htc_touch_pro-2413.php
It states the European/Asian version will be HSDPA 900/2100. So I am going to guess that I can not use it on the Next G network with this version of the phone. Correct?
Also, the site states that the Americas (US) version is 850/1900.
So, I assume I have to get a phone from the US to use it on Telstra's Next G. Is this correct, or is there some other quirk that I do not know (like some CDMA difference or something)?
Thank you for homouring me
Correct, the NextG network will not work on this phone at present. Also correct, it will work on the US version. Here's the nice part though...
One of our members was nice enough to leak a version of the new AT&T ROM for the upcoming Raphael in the US, and since the hardware is all the same, HOPEFULLY flashing with that ROM will enable the 850mhz HSDPA band you and I both need. I'll be testing this on a Raphael when it releases in Europe, and I'll have a post up very quickly in this section letting people know how it went. If it works, you can buy any version and flash it (only takes 5 mins) for it to work in AUS.
Edit: Don't listen to GSMArena, HTC lists this phone as quad-band although they say it's tri-band.
Cheers and Beers
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Correct, the NextG network will not work on this phone at present. Also correct, it will work on the US version. Here's the nice part though...
One of our members was nice enough to leak a version of the new AT&T ROM for the upcoming Raphael in the US, and since the hardware is all the same, HOPEFULLY flashing with that ROM will enable the 850mhz HSDPA band you and I both need. I'll be testing this on a Raphael when it releases in Europe, and I'll have a post up very quickly in this section letting people know how it went. If it works, you can buy any version and flash it (only takes 5 mins) for it to work in AUS.
Edit: Don't listen to GSMArena, HTC lists this phone as quad-band although they say it's tri-band.
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The above sounds good. I really do not want to go down the road of a Telstra locked phone (not that Telstra will release this one). I await your tests with anticipation.
Cheers and beers
Yeah, well, I figure if it doesn't work (hoping it doesn't brick it) I'll just resell it for like $25 less and it's not much of a loss for trying.
I don't know much about Australian telephone networks, but I've always wanted to go there and see what it feels like to be upside down all the time.
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I don't know much about Australian telephone networks, but I've always wanted to go there and see what it feels like to be upside down all the time.
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Haha, seems like one of the nicest vacation spots in the world. Can't wait to go there someday.
Here is a photo of the Australian system:
http://www.flickr.com/photos/jeffwerner/278050267/
The Australian networks arent too bad. We have a choice of frequencies here. Telstra have the 850mhz 3G band and Optus and Vodafone are each expanding their exisiting 2100 3G network using 900mhz which will be launched over the next few months. The good thing about Raphael is that it will work on the 2100 and 900 3G bands and given that Telstra's voice and data plans are ridiculous many of those who want to use data on it wont care about the absence of 850...this is good news. However if the device can be flashed to work for everyone...even better.
As for the photo of the Australian networks that was a network similar to what I built in Sydney in the early 80's. A large carrier paid me a small fortune to decommision it as it was making them look bad!!
I'm also in Australia and plan to get this phone from one of the UK stores as I can't wait for 3 odd months for it to be released here. Now I'm sure there might be a few aussies here who have ordered from online stores outside Aus. What I wanna know is if I might have to pay any import duty on my purchase? If I buy from expansys uk, the unit will cost me roughly AU$920, but with bank fees and shipping charges, I would have paid $1010. I know that import duties are applicable if the cost of the unit is $1000. So does this count for me as well?
I just want to avoid paying more that I should.
However, I need Next G
Thanks all for your input on this. I was pretty sure that the phone would not work on the NExt G nextwork if I bought one (from say an internet dealer in Sydney or Melbourne), but as you can see from my "location", I need Next G. There is not 3G nextwork in the Top End except Telstra Next G (Or at least none that cover all of Darwin and its area adequately. Anyway I don't knock Telstra too much).
Further to that, I work away a lot and once again, Next G is OK (note I only said OK) for outside of major cities, and Telstra GSM is good for most rural townships also.
Anyway, I suppose my upgrade will be to a TyTN II to replace my old phone, at least it has the 850 band that I need for Next G.
Cheers and beers
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Edit: Don't listen to GSMArena, HTC lists this phone as quad-band although they say it's tri-band.
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Not entirely true...see this post
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Not entirely true...see this post
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The Diamonds were listed as Tri-Band too, but now every Diamond is quad-band since they came out with the newer ROM. Same with the Touch Pro, some ROMs (apparently that nation's) don't support quad-band, but in time (or with a quick reflash) they will.
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The Diamonds were listed as Tri-Band too, but now every Diamond is quad-band since they came out with the newer ROM. Same with the Touch Pro, some ROMs (apparently that nation's) don't support quad-band, but in time (or with a quick reflash) they will.
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Thnx finally some clarification...
But still strange that our countries HTC would not enable that bandwith. They state it's a business phone. But business often means travelling arround the globe. Quadband would then be preffered above tri-band....
But black you know for sure the bandwith can be activated by just software? Some people say you need a different antenna. (I'm a noob in that area...).
Thnx anyway!
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Thnx finally some clarification...
But still strange that our countries HTC would not enable that bandwith. They state it's a business phone. But business often means travelling arround the globe. Quadband would then be preffered above tri-band....
But black you know for sure the bandwith can be activated by just software? Some people say you need a different antenna. (I'm a noob in that area...).
Thnx anyway!
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The GSM antennas are all in every Diamond, the problem is with the UMTS radio. To keep the Diamonds so small, HTC had to remove the American UMTS radio, making it so you can't use a European Diamond to get 3G in the US ever. Likewise, the American Diamond will only have the US bands of 3G (850 and 1900). As for the GSM bands, though, EVERY Diamond has the capability to be quad-band, so you'll at least get EDGE wherever you go. Hope this clears things up.
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The GSM antennas are all in every Diamond, the problem is with the UMTS radio. To keep the Diamonds so small, HTC had to remove the American UMTS radio, making it so you can't use a European Diamond to get 3G in the US ever. Likewise, the American Diamond will only have the US bands of 3G (850 and 1900). As for the GSM bands, though, EVERY Diamond has the capability to be quad-band, so you'll at least get EDGE wherever you go. Hope this clears things up.
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Thanks you really are the first one who makes sense!
Thanks again!
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Thanks you really are the first one who makes sense!
Thanks again!
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Just wondering if anyone had n update as to the effect of the new radio rom in the touch pro. I understand the US issue was different with a release of GSM only touch pros (Booo Hissss) but would realy like to confirm if we are able to reflash to expand on the UMTS frequencies here in Aus making the touch pro UMTS tri or quad band.
Thanks for all the info in this post too.
I'm wondering if someone has worked out how to get the extra band to work in Australia as well. I am on Next G and my brand new phone simply sucks right now and I'm hoping I don't have to go over to a different carrier when my contract is up. I kinda like Telstra Next G, dare I say it.
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I'm wondering if someone has worked out how to get the extra band to work in Australia as well. I am on Next G and my brand new phone simply sucks right now and I'm hoping I don't have to go over to a different carrier when my contract is up. I kinda like Telstra Next G, dare I say it.
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As far as I know it works fine with an ATT Fuze with a regular touch pro you'll never get NextG on the 850 band, it's a hardware limitation.
HELP!
I am at my wits end trying to find a US 3G compatible HTC device. I really like the Blackstone, but it seems that it won't do 850/1900 HSDPA frequencies. Does anyone know which HTC devices are compatible with AT&T networks?
I even wrote HTC about the Blackstone. They told me it is compatible on the 850 band, but that's not what the specifications say. I'm so confused. I am an electrical engineer and understand all the technologies, I just don't know which devices are "world" devices. Does anyone out there know?
Am I sentenced to the world of edge with HTC devices because of AT&T network frequencies?
The Touch HD is really cool phone and would love to have it if it does 3G on AT&T.
Thanks,
The Kaiser was one of HTC's last phones to have good tri-band UTMS support; ever since then, it's taken the strategy of releasing N. American and international versions of its phones that have different 3G radios (850/1900 and 900/2100 respectively, but you know that already. ). Once exception is the Fuze, since AT&T wanted it to have 3G roaming, so it has the 2100 band as well as the American ones.
You can find a N. American version of most HTC phones besides the Blackstone, unfortunately. I don't know why, HTC just made a decision that it wouldn't be released over here. Might be because they don't want it to compete with the upcoming Touch Diamond 2, which has a similar set of features.
this new Telstra HD works for usa 3G 850...see this thread: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=487010&highlight=telstra
I want to buy this phone on ebay but I have a couple of questions.
I live in CHile so I need the quadband gsm vercion.
1) Can anyone tell me what carries use this? just to make shure, I cant exacly take the sellers word. For example I say a nextel for 300 bucks (about). The seller clames it works world wide.
2) Is the unlock software available already?
Sorry found it!
3) is the fuze and the raphael the same phone? I have seen some that look very diffrent, are they exacly the same just different color. What really looks different is the keyboard.
Thanks
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3) is the fuze and the raphael the same phone?
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They are the same phone. There are GSM and CDMA versions of this phone.
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They are the same phone. There are GSM and CDMA versions of this phone.
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Just to clear something up,
FUZE = GSM this version of the phone released by ATT on their US GSM network (only North American 3g version)
RAPHAEL = TOUCH PRO (both GSM and CDMA)
You will want to find out what frequencies your carrier uses for GSM and 3G (they will tell you, or look it up) and get the Raphael that suits your needs
Currently in the GSM iteration there is the FUZE, which works with North American 3G and the Touch Pro which will work with Euro/Asian 3G.
If you post your ebay link (or PM me or somebody) we can tell you for sure
thanks...much clearer! Searching..searching