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Can someone help me find an App for Android that will enable me to send advertisements to bluetooth enabled phones. I found a few for Windows etc but none on the Android system, any ideas anyone ?
Even if such an app exist, it would require the user to accept the invitation first.
I know this would require the user to accept the invite if you were sending a file but as a contact card etc there is no requirement for the receiver to accept anything.
Basicly if you could have a file sent to constantly transmit to nearby bluetooth devices so people could choose to accept the connection that would be fine.
A bit like the old sw blueminer for windows.
there must be someone on here that knows of something that would fulfil the need since XDA devs are awesome.
Cheers Guys
SPAM.
SPAM EVERYWHERE.
To be honest that would be very annoying.
well it wouldnt be spam it would be just to promote a business. Also you would have to have your bluetooth on and discoverable so if you have it set to be found you cant complain. If anyone can help it would be much appreciated.
Cheers Kenny
What is so great about our country (UK) is the fact we have the freedom of choice.
Many young men and women over the years have died fighting for this fundamental right. Now, if anyone thinks this bluetooth marketing software would be annoying or even deemed as spamming, use this great option of "choosing" not to accept it.
cul8rm8 said:
What is so great about our country (UK) is the fact we have the freedom of choice.
Many young men and women over the years have died fighting for this fundamental right. Now, if anyone thinks this bluetooth marketing software would be annoying or even deemed as spamming, use this great option of "choosing" not to accept it.
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And with that, I choose not to accept you.
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And with that, I choose not to accept you.
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You, sir, just won one free copy of the internets.
No guys this would be useful in lots of applications like fairs, malls, places with lots of people and lots of store fronts. Say your wondering a music fest, suddenly you get notified that so-in-so is giving out free autographed cds to the next hundred people, or in the mall a notification pops up for half off at radio shack for all cell phone accessories if you bring in this coupon, ect. If you don't want it, don't use it. I think it's pretty cool.
OP, is that the track of this app you were talking about?
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so you want a bluetooth bomber? that is rather useless. I tried with with my winmo phone last time and most phones just get a "do you want to accept contact card?"
cul8rm8 said:
What is so great about our country (UK) is the fact we have the freedom of choice.
Many young men and women over the years have died fighting for this fundamental right. Now, if anyone thinks this bluetooth marketing software would be annoying or even deemed as spamming, use this great option of "choosing" not to accept it.
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More of yours died as opposed to lived. You should do the same for wanting to bluetooth spam.
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info5i2002 said:
so you want a bluetooth bomber? that is rather useless. I tried with with my winmo phone last time and most phones just get a "do you want to accept contact card?"
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Yeah, I think in terms of a small scalled run (ie comic book shop), this type of marketing is rather hit or miss. Most people have feature phones. What you need more of is whats called captive marketing. Like an add on a bus or train.
And guys whats with all the hatred? In the type of format of a cell phone, it would be illegal to push something to it without the owners consent. If you don't want it, don't take it. This is the same thing as somebody handing out flyers on the street. If you take it, you have consented to it, are you gonna start yelling at the guy handing em out saying he's ruining your trip down the road with spam? If anything, I tend to say something to people throwing the leaflets on the ground, that's ruining my walk.
Bluetooth Spammer
http://market.android.com/details?id=com.smartmadsoft.bluetoothspammer
Kenneth131 said:
well it wouldnt be spam it would be just to promote a business. Also you would have to have your bluetooth on and discoverable so if you have it set to be found you cant complain. If anyone can help it would be much appreciated.
Cheers Kenny
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A similar thing is already used but with sms location based marketing.
Here in the uk, co-op stores recently had a trial where customers on O2 within 0.5 miles of a store could recieve a free bottle of dr pepper.
http://www.kamcity.com/namnews/asp/newsarticle.asp?newsid=59471
Could be very interesting to recieve such messages whilst wondering around town.
Completely different to the suggestion of bluetooth marketing because sms marketing could be controlled by the networks to ensure spammy spamsters dont annoy their customers, and ads could be targeted easier due to the info the networks hold.
Never the less its a very intersting concept and I doubt many people would have a objection to recieving such messages, providing there was a optout once a message is recieved from a store which they dont use.
Personally I dont think bluetooth marketing would work as it has a very limited range, the majority of people dont walk around with bluetooth on, and those that do wont have it descoverable, and just have their headsets, earphoes etc paired to their devices.
forgot about the bluetooth bombers!!!
I used to go through a big box retail store with it on, and watch all the managers and sales staff pick up their phone and go, "what the f...."
then loop around and do it again!!! LOL, I was a ____ when I was young
So incase you haven't heard:
http://www.latimes.com/business/la-fi-apple-tracking-20110421,0,4880695.story
Like, wtf. This really rather freaks me out.
A. I have an iPhone 3gs (jailbroken)
B. What if my Xoom is doing the same thing?
Are there ways to make sure this is definately not going on for the more average consumer like me? I wouldn't know where to look in os files for this. I could find the os files, but I don't really go snooping in them because I don't know what I'm doing.
But I think all this is bull**** with Apple, and last month with samsung computers. I'm pissed.
What does this have to do with the Xoom?
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What does this have to do with the Xoom?
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He asked if his xoom is doing the same thing.
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I would put money on it that the all Android devices keep track of location, Google lives off statistics, no way tehy don't know everything about everything you do with the thing.
I did some reading into this and the bit I don't get is that cell location isnt very accurate, so did the guy who "visualised" his data there just keep GPS on _all-the-time_? That's a colossal waste of battery.
I saw this article on many a site last night - and one of them I am sure said that 'android devices haven't found any similar file storing location' or words to that affect.
(think they mentioned WinPho too)
while google do live off stats - do they care that much? they already have a map of where activations happened - they did a map of the North US activations awhile back?
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I saw this article on many a site last night - and one of them I am sure said that 'android devices haven't found any similar file storing location' or words to that affect.
(think they mentioned WinPho too)
while google do live off stats - do they care that much? they already have a map of where activations happened - they did a map of the North US activations awhile back?
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I wouldn't doubt it, I just bet they do it and store the information at their end rather than on the phone. What with all the wifi hotspot privacy problems that have been going on with them and eerything else. I'd expect nothing less from them really.
just more careful then
it doesnt bother me that much (at the moment) as I'm pretty sure my network will also keep track of me anyway
unless google/o2 are going to find my house and rob it while i am out - that doesn't bother me - it's only if someone else found a way to see live my location and then did the above that i'd start being more concerned... or is there something else I should worry about?
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I would put money on it that the all Android devices keep track of location, Google lives off statistics, no way they don't know everything about everything you do with the thing.
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Quote of the day, bang on the money.
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What does this have to do with the Xoom?
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Oh, hey, sorry, listen.... I hadnt realized the Xoom police were out. Sorry this wasnt completely understandable for you.
I mean, I can see how some people think that if Google is logging our locations, it might not be a big deal. But this is all just a glimpse at whats coming. I mean I have no idea what that is. But a future where the biggest corporations are tracking people that use there products does not seem like a future I want to be apart of.
Apple gets their customers out of addiction, "the iphone is tracking me? who cares, its pretty." Like there is no logical reason I can think of to have that tracking software built into the nitty gritty of ios, and it being there is just a big slap to the consumers. We already have to worry about apps st but now the os?
Its not like I go or do anything suspicious that I should be worried. It's just that I spent damn near 900 dollars on this device, I don't want it to ****ing track me. Also, I'm sure that would use some sort of data to transfer the data, and with everyones love for only having tiered data plans for tablets, I am paying for them to do this.
Even if it is kilobytes, and I'm only paying a hay penny, thats one hey penny to much for my liking. Us as consumers get the **** end of every stick. They sell us items, bootlock them, track us, apps steal and sell our data, sue us if we post something they don't like (the ps3 guy), just an all around **** you.
I was reading this article the other day on how they're a step closer to building quantum computers. Now what happens when they have computers that can take all the data from every device, and compile it into useful information that will be more personal than your facebook?
They could potentially have what we posted on fb, next to a location we were at, along with the song we were hearing at the time. And in the iphones case, a picture takin from facetime to go right along with it, and for all I know, the xoom is taking pictures of me right now considering its on its stand and im sitting right in front of it typing.
I guess there would be no way for me to tell, since I'm pretty much just an end user, but I hope someone investigates this for us. Because if it turns out the Xoom does anything of the sort I will be getting rid of it. As I have already decided to do with my iphone. It's not about what theyre doing with it. Its about why they decided to do it in the first place, and the fact that they're all data whores.
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Oh, hey, sorry, listen.... I hadnt realized the Xoom police were out. Sorry this wasnt completely understandable for you.
I mean, I can see how some people think that if Google is logging our locations, it might not be a big deal. But this is all just a glimpse at whats coming. I mean I have no idea what that is. But a future where the biggest corporations are tracking people that use there products does not seem like a future I want to be apart of.
Apple gets their customers out of addiction, "the iphone is tracking me? who cares, its pretty." Like there is no logical reason I can think of to have that tracking software built into the nitty gritty of ios, and it being there is just a big slap to the consumers. We already have to worry about apps st but now the os?
Its not like I go or do anything suspicious that I should be worried. It's just that I spent damn near 900 dollars on this device, I don't want it to ****ing track me. Also, I'm sure that would use some sort of data to transfer the data, and with everyones love for only having tiered data plans for tablets, I am paying for them to do this.
Even if it is kilobytes, and I'm only paying a hay penny, thats one hey penny to much for my liking. Us as consumers get the **** end of every stick. They sell us items, bootlock them, track us, apps steal and sell our data, sue us if we post something they don't like (the ps3 guy), just an all around **** you.
I was reading this article the other day on how they're a step closer to building quantum computers. Now what happens when they have computers that can take all the data from every device, and compile it into useful information that will be more personal than your facebook?
They could potentially have what we posted on fb, next to a location we were at, along with the song we were hearing at the time. And in the iphones case, a picture takin from facetime to go right along with it, and for all I know, the xoom is taking pictures of me right now considering its on its stand and im sitting right in front of it typing.
I guess there would be no way for me to tell, since I'm pretty much just an end user, but I hope someone investigates this for us. Because if it turns out the Xoom does anything of the sort I will be getting rid of it. As I have already decided to do with my iphone. It's not about what theyre doing with it. Its about why they decided to do it in the first place, and the fact that they're all data whores.
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we better put on our tin hats!
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I believe this is a valid question. Companies like google, apple, and facebook have a strong interest in tracking what we do, what we buy, etc to make their advertising more effective, which means they can charge more for it. Unfortunatly, I think this boat sailed long ago. Even on a PC they can track your IP address or Mac address. The minute you get on the internet you are sending information about yourself. Its that simple. The issue becomes whether companies are, can or should be storing that data. And why are they storing that data. Again most of it is advertising, but it could be used for other things that might not be so innocent. Even the government would have an interest in companies storing data so they can retrive that infor for criminal prosectutions, etc. Now if you want to prove where you were they can call your cell phone provider and just ask.
I think the shock is that it is happening all the time by even the most admired companies like apple. Short of a major rebellion by consumers or government regulation (like Europe has done) this will continue (see the case against Google for 'accidentally' collecting data from wifi networks while they did their street view stuff).
Sometimes technology can suck.
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For a second I thought I had made the horrible mistake of going into an iphone forum...
Anyway, I think Google is for sure collecting data on all of us! Personally I don't really care if they know where I am unless one day I rob a bank and need to go into hiding.....................
robbiev80 said:
For a second I thought I had made the horrible mistake of going into an iphone forum...
Anyway, I think Google is for sure collecting data on all of us! Personally I don't really care if they know where I am unless one day I rob a bank and need to go into hiding.....................
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In that case, when robbing a bank just leave your xoom and phone at home ?
Carrier IQ tracks Samsung Epics on sprint.
Uhm if u notice the first time u turn on any new android device it has something about sharing ur data with google servers.
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we better put on our tin hats!
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I understand the joke however I dont think its farfetched.
There is one difference though ...
Honeycomb will eventually be open source as well as many devices such as my Galaxy S now have the source made available. Openess gives you that ...
Apple for all we know logs our bank transactions, send favourable posts to Apple fanboy sites and SMSs our girlfriends on our behalf.
Don't get me wrong, Android devices are just as capable of doing all the wrong things, but an open device gives you a little more comfort.
http://investmentwatchblog.com/i-spy-apple-google-phones-track-users/
it's confirmed, google is doing it too, but in an even more obtrusive way, **** this, i'm selling my Xoom.
RadDudeTommy said:
http://investmentwatchblog.com/i-spy-apple-google-phones-track-users/
it's confirmed, google is doing it too, but in an even more obtrusive way, **** this, i'm selling my Xoom.
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I am selling my Captivate and Xoom and getting a Jitterbug.
http://www.engadget.com/2011/08/11/t-mobile-to-begin-charging-overage-on-its-200mb-plans-on-august/
I don't even want to know what mobile data is gonna look like in a year.
This is hilarious. I was just fighting with a customer saying he was going to switch his four lines to tmo because it was 119 a month.
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I really hope Sprint doesn't follow the path of the other carriers.
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movingarrows said:
I really hope Sprint doesn't follow the path of the other carriers.
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It will happen. No avoiding it.
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It will happen. No avoiding it.
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There is no proof of that, pure assumption.
Aren't you in a different thread right now arguing because I'm "making a claim with no proof"? [Which I'm not but that's not the point of me asking this here]
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There is no proof of that, pure assumption.
Aren't you in a different thread right now arguing because I'm "making a claim with no proof"? [Which I'm not but that's not the point of me asking this here]
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Wait. Proof of what? What proof need there be? Sooner than later it will happen. Are you suggesting it wont? How long do you give it?
As for overages, to unlimited data (which you've seemed to confidently talk of before) something is going to give sooner than later. Would be shocking, at the rate things are going, for unlimited to last for the next couple years. Especially if that's when they complete their revision. 2-3 years ... if that long. Things change, Mox.
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Hmm, I wonder what happened to this comment from the now (properly) locked facebook thread:
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This will be my last thread in the in Evo subforum trying to help people out.
Honestly, its not in anyway deserved by people here.
Ill find another subforum next time.
Sad how a few people that could only be described as "trollers" ruin this forum.
Also, my posted older version has been downloaded 55 times. Which speaks louder then the few forum members that aren't here for anything but a fight.
Goodday Evo subforum.
Whole place needs a good /format
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Did you forget that you are still in the EVO subforums?
OK so here is my issue with all this "unlimited" data crap. I don't see how legally any company can use the term unlimited to describe a service when it clearly has limits.
By definition:
----------unlimited [uhn-lim-i-tid] adjective
----------1.not limited; unrestricted; unconfined: unlimited trade.
----------2.boundless; infinite; vast: the unlimited skies.
----------3.without any qualification or exception; unconditional.
I can understand lowering speeds. Then, technically, you are still unlimited because you are able to use as much as you want, just at lower speeds. But if they charge you for going "over" then how can it be unlimited. There must be a limit in order for you to go over it. I think that if Sprint is smart they will keep with the truly unlimited data and they will have customers flocking to them. The cost will be out weighed by the influx of new customers. Personally, if i had T-mobile right now and they tried to tell me that my unlimited plan had limits and i was going to get charged for exceeding that limit, I would sue the crap out of them for false advertising and breach of contract. It would only take a few people doing this before they would either remove the "unlimited" or stop charging for it. But this is all just my opinion and in a world full of them mine doesn't matter much. And to those who say that Sprint will eventually fall in line, you are probably right. Let's just hope it happens later, way later than sooner.
Would all of you please chill out and stop carrying on these silly internet arguments in every thread that gets posted? I'm sorry I ever thought it was funny now; it's just getting annoying.
Back on-topic, it looks to me like mobile data is inching backwards in terms of how they bill while at the same time providers strive to increase data rates. It's hard to determine why exactly this is, because if they're truly oversubscribing their networks they should be focusing on existing network expansion rather than building out new networks.
Of course, then they would be mocked for not having "4G" and would lose customers because consumers are, by and large, uneducated and see lightning striking a Verizon store in a commercial and they're sold.
It seems counter-intuitive that these companies would try so hard to get 10-20Mbps (and more) while at the same time working so hard to limit their customers to paltry consumption rates. At this point I think it's a cash grab until consumers won't accept it anymore.
I don't think that Sprint is being put in a position where it'll be forced to do start limiting consumption. There are no indications that their network is oversubscribed; quite the contrary. Considering that Sprint has almost nothing else to entice people to switch at this point, killing its unlimited plans would be a nail in the company's coffin. Until/unless they get something else to bring in customers, I think we're going to have unlimited plans for a long time to come.
Frankly, I think T-Mobile is taking these steps to bring themselves more in-line with AT&T so there's less reason to disapprove the merger and customers are already acclimated to the Death Star's rates and plans.
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There is no proof of that, pure assumption.
Aren't you in a different thread right now arguing because I'm "making a claim with no proof"? [Which I'm not but that's not the point of me asking this here]
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http://www.google.com/m/url?client=...QQFjAE&usg=AFQjCNHjpR7wFthZWfDJ__i_XWj19qBfBg
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It seems counter-intuitive that these companies would try so hard to get 10-20Mbps (and more) while at the same time working so hard to limit their customers to paltry consumption rates. At this point I think it's a cash grab until consumers won't accept it anymore.
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This is exactly right. If enough customers complained or threatened to sue then all this would stop.
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Sorry, but that headline has a lot of spin in it. Of course "nothing is forever", and no CEO is ever going to promise that a feature is going to last forever. But as he also said, it's a great differentiator, and frankly the only one Sprint has right now because the wimax angle is all but dead and they'll be way behind the LTE curve when they finally start launching that network.
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Sorry, but that headline has a lot of spin in it. Of course "nothing is forever", and no CEO is ever going to promise that a feature is going to last forever. But as he also said, it's a great differentiator, and frankly the only one Sprint has right now because the wimax angle is all but dead and they'll be way behind the LTE curve when they finally start launching that network.
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To say that article has a lot of spin on it is an understatement.
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To say that article has a lot of spin on it is an understatement.
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I think it says the reality of the situation. Unlimited data is a marketing point, the fact that Sprint has been unable to sustain the past quality of a unlimited data network proves that.
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I think it says the reality of the situation. Unlimited data is a marketing point, the fact that Sprint has been unable to sustain the past quality of a unlimited data network proves that.
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The quality of Sprint's network does not necessarily correlate to their unilimited data offerings. It's an older network that uses outdated radio technology, and that probably contributes to their problems more than anything. A company that for a long time was losing customers in droves and has since only been able to maintain numbers is not likely to be over oversubscribed. Nothing is "proved" in your assertion, only assumed.
You're right that unlimited data is a marketing point, and the only one that Sprint has to offer. If Sprint got rid of it and started charging like the other carriers do, I am pretty certain that oversubscription would be the least of their concerns. I know I for one am not with Sprint because they have an amazing network; I am a customer because they save me money. The day that stops happening is the day I switch to another carrier with a better network. That's really what it all boils down to, and Hesse is saavy enough to realize that he doesn't have a whole lot else going for him.
You don't embark on a national advertising campaign touting your unlimited plans just to yank the carpet out from under yourself a short time later. This is Sprint's marketing campaign for the forseeable future, and I have seen nothing to dissuade me from that belief yet.
That article is not proof of anything.
BREAKING NEWS!
DAN HESSE HINTS SPRINT MAY TURN INTO A FARMING COMPANY
A few direct quotes from Sprint's CEO Dan Hesse the other day suggests that Sprint may change from mobile provider to farming company.
"Every few months we take a look, we take a look at tonnage, and we take a look at all the things we're doing to offload tonnage ... We'll just continue to monitor it," Dan said as he contemplated changing industries.
"Nothing is forever" says Dan, as he pined for his days as a farmer "[referring to moving to an all farming company] we think it's a terrific opportunity to differentiate ourselves in the market."
Hesse has a point. We've never heard of a company making such a drastic industry change. "Think of it as two different solar systems," Hesse said.
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If I posted this exact same link in "proof" of something you would troll the next 15 pages about how much spin and "proving of nothing" this link is.
Come on now.
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That article is not proof of anything.
If I posted this exact same link in "proof" of something you would troll the next 15 pages about how much spin and "proving of nothing" this link is.
Come on now.
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I don't know what you are trying to prove. Dan Hesse was quoted as saying that unlimited data is not promised forever. That's pretty much it. No spin just a quote from the man himself that its a possibility.
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Unlimited is the only thing Sprint has going good right now. Wimax is a joke. Most people are switching just for the unlimited.
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I don't know what you are trying to prove. Dan Hesse was quoted as saying that unlimited data is not promised forever. That's pretty much it. No spin just a quote from the man himself that its a possibility.
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Everything is a possibility and the quotes "nothing lasts forever" and "were constantly watching what we do every month" can be used to validate anything.
That's the point.
I would be scared of a company that didn't constantly re-evaluate it's options and policies.
I love how yet again a thread has been taken off topic.
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I don't know what you are trying to prove. Dan Hesse was quoted as saying that unlimited data is not promised forever. That's pretty much it. No spin just a quote from the man himself that its a possibility.
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Our responses are based on conqu1stador's original assertion that Sprint was likely to move away from unlimited plans sooner rather than later along with the others. There's no evidence of that being the case, other than an obscure quote from Dan Hesse saying that "nothing lasts forever" and then qualifying that statement by saying that it's their best differentiator from the other carriers right now. How that is evidence that Sprint will be dropping its unlimited plans "sooner rather than later" I don't know.
I get that there's a "trend" among the carriers towards dropping unlimited plans, but let's analyze that for a second. We really only have four big carriers; AT&T and Verizon are primarily in competition with each other so they keep their plans competitive against themselves. If AT&T drops unlimited plans, Verizon is sure to follow suit as they both go for quick cash grabs while they build out their next gen networks.
T-Mobile and Sprint were each other's main competition, but with AT&T looking to buy T-Mobile and Deutsche Telekom wanting it to happen, T-Mobile is going to slowly start aligning itself with AT&T's existing plans and policies to make the merger more streamlined.
Where does this leave Sprint? A lone wolf against two major carriers with nothing to offer other than competitive pricing; do you really see them trying to align themselves with the other carrier's pricing when they can't compete on any other level? At least against T-Mobile they have relatively comparable network coverage (though with GSM and HSDPA+ you can argue that T-Mobile has a better quality network), but other than that what is Sprint going to be able to offer against AT&T and/or Verizon?
Until or unless Sprint decides to commit corporate suicide to make itself look ripe for a buyout by Verizon, Sprint will do whatever it can to maintain its competitive pricing, and that includes its unlimited plans. There's no other reason to stick with Sprint right now. One obscure quote taken out of context doesn't prove that Sprint is going away from unlimited plans, and nothing else I have seen indicates so.
Before people jump all over this -- I know there are hundreds of threads about how at&t detects tethering and then all the moral-rich folks will get up in arms about paying for a service and to stop stealing... well I dont care. My question is simple:
If AT&T cant detect what APN an android device uses since it all transfers through the primary wireless APN... and the best they can do is say what type of site a mobile device is requesting... how can they say you are tethering?
With apps that mimic other browsers for full site browsing I feel like they really cant prove definitively what I am using. Please correct me if I am wrong.
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Before people jump all over this -- I know there are hundreds of threads about how at&t detects tethering and then all the moral-rich folks will get up in arms about paying for a service and to stop stealing... well I dont care. My question is simple:
If AT&T cant detect what APN an android device uses since it all transfers through the primary wireless APN... and the best they can do is say what type of site a mobile device is requesting... how can they say you are tethering?
With apps that mimic other browsers for full site browsing I feel like they really cant prove definitively what I am using. Please correct me if I am wrong.
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If they really want to do some packet inspection they could look at something as simple as the UA string or TTL. They could watch for known background services such as AV programs calling home to check for updates or Windows update doing the same.
Well played. I thought that was considered deep packet inspection to know what is requesting what (which I thought they were banned from doing unless authorized by a gov entity)
But I will keep that in mind. I am surprised they pinged me for my 4gb use though -- seriously at&t...seriously... Makes me want to stream hulu 24/7 to truely show a data hog.
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Well played. I thought that was considered deep packet inspection to know what is requesting what (which I thought they were banned from doing unless authorized by a gov entity)
But I will keep that in mind. I am surprised they pinged me for my 4gb use though -- seriously at&t...seriously... Makes me want to stream hulu 24/7 to truely show a data hog.
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Seems like it's probably being done in some capacity - an interesting read: http://news.cnet.com/8301-30686_3-20107040-266/carriers-may-be-handicapping-cell-phone-networks/
HoneyNutz said:
Well played. I thought that was considered deep packet inspection to know what is requesting what (which I thought they were banned from doing unless authorized by a gov entity)
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does it really surprise you that at&t would be the company to break a federal law, then play dumb and claim ignorance?? Really?? lol
Entertaining conversation with ATT last night. Basically they stated that I have been using data for consistent periods of time... to which i responded I stream all day long which isn't against the terms. They then said their were pointers that stated I could be tethering. I said please provide me with a time period when one of these pointers occurred so I can check my usage against it. They said they don't have the ability (or willingness?) to do that.
The rep then went on to explain that using bluetooth in my car is also considering tethering
<insert WTF face here>
So apparently if you use one of those radio connectors that lets you play your music in the car..THATS TETHERING. These people are all morons. I was hoping for a legitimate explanation but got none. Basically they said well if nothing changes then i will lose my unlimited plan. I told them if they can tell me what they are seeing beyond consistent data use then I will hunt down what they are seeing and correct it. Its like saying stop walking past that street...but not giving them context to what street.
Sure I am tethering but I want them to tell me WHEN I am tethering. If they cant prove that beyond a reasonable doubt then they seriously need to reevaluate their priorities. Especially considering I max out around 4gb a month. Next month I am streaming netflix 24/7 and not tethering just to mess with them just a little more
i tether my sons ipod all the time, they don't catch that!
Unlimited data! Unlimited calling and text. Not really, after only 3 weeks with Simple Mobile, I find myself in a position with no wifi and having to rely on Simple's 4G. Not even 24 hours later, I have been throttled to a useless crawl. I asked on numerous occasions if in fact high speed data was unlimited and every time the answer was yes. So, I call customer support and the the only answer I get is a reading from the terms and conditions of the contract, which remember, doesn't exist either. So in a nutshell, unlike the larger carriers that at least tell you in fine print how much high speed data you can use, Simple simply decides when you've had enough. Is there ANY truth in advertising anymore?
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mustangtim49 said:
Unlimited data! Unlimited calling and text. Not really, after only 3 weeks with Simple Mobile, I find myself in a position with no wifi and having to rely on Simple's 4G. Not even 24 hours later, I have been throttled to a useless crawl.
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well t-mobile says the same thing, its unlimited in the amount of data i can download but once i go past the 5gb on my plan i get throttled. i still get unlimited data, its just slow now and not at 4g speed, i pay no overages
still sucks though
That's what I'm saying, at least you know what you payed for. I'm sorry, my battery died mid post and I couldn't finish. Op is finished now
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ahhh makes more sense now, i see what you mean
so you pay the $60 unlimited plan and they cut you off? yeah i call BS on that one, it says right on their page you get unlimited data, says nothing about throttling or data limits
Exactly, and when I said that the only answer I got was from the crickets. Only because I had an increase in data usage, they throttled me within hours. I explained I work over the Internet and had no access to wifi, they're not really concerned with it. I'm so pissed I could scream!
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http://www.mysimplemobile.com/plans-60-unlimited.aspx
Read:
Unlimited Internet at up to 4G speeds
There's no false advertising here.
Unlimited does not mean unrestricted.
I have unlimited data. If I go past 5 GB, I get throttled, but it's still unlimited.
check out Simple's Terms & Conditions, paragraphs 15 (Misuse of Service or Device) and 16 (Our Rights to Limit or End Service or the Agreement), specifically the line that says (from para 16):
"We may impose credit, usage or other limits to your Service, suspend your Service, or block certain types of calls, messages or sessions (such as international, 900 or 976 calls), in our sole discretion and without notice."
http://www.mysimplemobile.com/Simple-Mobile-Terms-Conditions.aspx
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check out Simple's Terms & Conditions, paragraphs 15 (Misuse of Service or Device) and 16 (Our Rights to Limit or End Service or the Agreement), specifically the line that says (from para 16):
"We may impose credit, usage or other limits to your Service, suspend your Service, or block certain types of calls, messages or sessions (such as international, 900 or 976 calls), in our sole discretion and without notice."
http://www.mysimplemobile.com/Simple-Mobile-Terms-Conditions.aspx
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I rarely ever see anything positive written about Simple on these forums or anywhere else. I'm a data hog and bump up against my throttle limits at T-Mobile and Comcast. I've considered making the switch to Simple, but this thread pretty much offers confirmation that I should not even consider it. I can see myself getting throttled because I stream a lot of music or tether my tab more than usual.
Until I posted here there was no talk about throttling, if anything, I have brought it to the surface.
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Term and conditions. They reserve the right to make ANY changes to your service.
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Jeez people, is everyone a simple employee or fanboy? I'm just saying I got throttled way before even 2gigs of data. Just throwing it out there, don't think they won't throttle you.
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Jeez people, is everyone a simple employee or fanboy? I'm just saying I got throttled way before even 2gigs of data. Just throwing it out there, don't think they won't throttle you.
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I agree with you. Even if its not false advertising, its obviously intended to be vague and misleading. Seems other people have fallen backward and landed butt-first on a stick, for whatever reason.
userno69 said:
I agree with you. Even if its not false advertising, its obviously intended to be vague and misleading. Seems other people have fallen backward and landed butt-first on a stick, for whatever reason.
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mustangtim49 said:
Jeez people, is everyone a simple employee or fanboy? I'm just saying I got throttled way before even 2gigs of data. Just throwing it out there, don't think they won't throttle you.
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No, everyone is just competent enough to actually read the terms of service they are signing.
So, I call customer support and the the only answer I get is a reading from the terms and conditions of the contract, which remember, doesn't exist either.
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It doesn't exist right?
http://www.mysimplemobile.com/Simple-Mobile-Terms-Conditions.aspx
Is there ANY truth in advertising anymore?
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You just noticed? Welcome to corporate America.
iArtisan said:
No, everyone is just competent enough to actually read the terms of service they are signing.
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Really? I'm pretty confident that MOST people do NOT read TOS for most things they sign up for.
partylikeaninjastar said:
Really? I'm pretty confident that MOST people do NOT read TOS for most things they sign up for.
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Everyone in the business of saving money lol
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iArtisan said:
No, everyone is just competent enough to actually read the terms of service they are signing.
It doesn't exist right?
http://www.mysimplemobile.com/Simple-Mobile-Terms-Conditions.aspx
You just noticed? Welcome to corporate America.
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Really, you're one of those tight asses that really reads the fine print. I spent 4 years reading fine print to get my bachelors Degree in literature and stare at fine print writing for this website. No, I don't read fine print, fine print is a way to get away with screwing the customer with no legal repercussions. There's enough know it alls and smart assess on this site, great, now we have another. Hey everyone, iArtisan is a Simple Mobile fanboy and believes we should all suffer from deceitful business practices because we don't have time in our busy lives to sit and spend hours going over fine print with our attorneys on retainer before signing a lousy $60 NO CONTRACT contract. Oh, did I mention I didn't get a CONTRACT smart ass? One more thing, I didn't sign anything either. Go be a smartass in your own thread, do you have any? If you do they weren't important enough to read. Really, you didn't pay attention to the fine print either, never verbally challenge a writer in their own thread, you will lose every time. Thanks.
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Cant we all just get along? on topic tho, op you have a fair point. Just because one month you use 1gb more of data doesn't mean they should throttle you. Plus you said you didn't even hit 2gb!
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chrisram88 said:
Cant we all just get along? on topic tho, op you have a fair point. Just because one month you use 1gb more of data doesn't mean they should throttle you. Plus you said you didn't even hit 2gb!
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