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I was reading some interesting stuff about IMSI catchers and their ability to deactivate the encryption on your GSM phone to listen in on your conversations.
Now, considering that these tools are expensive and probably not in the hands of nosy individuals, I'm still curious about this whole deal of a third party device disabling your encryption and conversations being 'out in the open'.
Are there any software tools that display the encryption status of your calls?
Lots of info about IMSI Catchers but most of them are in German... apparently there's more of a fuss about invasion of privacy issues over there.
if you are concerned with your security, then look at www.cryptophone.de . Currently 2 russian companies are writing their own programs like that.
Getting encryption status is not docummented, I don;t think that there exists such a program.
HOwever, according to the Wikipedia page on IMSI-catchers, there are some mobile phones that display an icon when the call is unencrypted. I believe this should be a feature integrated into WM 6.1! Since it is such an old and arguably advanced platform... Maybe someone could write a program that puts an icon in the dialer when the call is unencrypted...perhaps it could also play a warning tone at the start of the call.
I need to lower the microphone gain.
My audio codec is clipping becouse of incoming PCM samples saturated from
the mic. I don't need AGC becouse it doesn't work well with my app.
I just need to manipulate the mic gain via software.
Is there a way to do it? I'm using waveform audio api ti capture voice.
Actually the gain is too loud !!!
Thanks.
Anyone knows?
OK, I don't have the answer. But since no one is responding I'll try to give a few ideas that might help.
First, I have a hp6315 and an apache. Under settings, they both have a utility to enable/disable AGC. The ipaq's utility is labeled "ipaq audio" if you disable agc, you can then configure the microphone gain. This gain is stored in the registry. I think searching for gain or audio will find it. The apache doesn't have this. searching for audio, gain, wav, volume in the apache registry doesn't find anything that looks like microphone gain. I guess this is a "value added" thing from hp. But you could try searching anyway.
Then there's the mixer API. This is the way that user level apps are meant to control the audio. Works great on the desktop. Use mixerGetNumDevs() to find out how many devices you can control. On the h6315 mixerGetNumDevs returns 0. I haven't tried the apache, but I can remember a few years ago reading that many (most?) devices return 0. Oh well, hopefully you'll have better luck. However, there are two mixers that are implemented on the pocketPC the question is how to access them.
see this link for info on the mixers
http://blogs.msdn.com/medmedia/archive/2007/01/12/what-do-you-mean-by-mixer.aspx
Here's a link that shows the relationship between the mixer api and the other mixers, wavedev2 mixer, and software mixer.
http://msdn2.microsoft.com/en-us/library/ms923709.aspx
You'll notice that the the mixer api interacts with the mixer in the device driver not the software mixer in the WaveAPI.dll. You'll so notice that this section on audio drivers has pages for MDD/PDD drivers and Unified Audio Model (UAM) drivers. Platform Builder for WinCE 5.0 comes with a sample for each of these model drivers. Both models handle WAV_IOControl Messages. There are two types of messages, IOCTL_MIX_MESSAGE for the mixer, and IOCTL_WAV_MESSAGE for the rest of the driver. It looks like these IOCTL_MIX_MESSAGE are the way the mixer API controls the mixer. In the MDD/PPD sample they can be used to set WPDMX_MIC_VOL and WPDMX_LINEIN_VOL. In the UAM driver it's AC97_MIC_VOL and AC97_LINEIN_VOL. Perhaps sending the right IOCTL will solve the problem.
This blog entry
http://blogs.msdn.com/medmedia/archive/2007/01/03/windows-ce-audio-driver-samples.aspx
seems to say that a wavedev2 sample is available now. Also, while the WinCE 5.0 page above only metions two models the corresponding wince 6.0 also talks about wavedev2. I suspect if you got the current version of platform builder for WinCE 6.0 (trial version is free) you would have get the sample code for wavedev2, which is likely to be the best documentation of how this works. Amazingly, the drivers aren't that hard to read.
Both of the functions waveInMessage() and waveInSetProperty() are available to user apps. Hopefully both should be able to change the microphone gain if you can set the parameters properly. While most of these things are about windows CE, I think most (or all) apply to windows mobile 5.
Windows mobile 5, likely uses wavedev2 devices not MDD/PDD or UAM drivers.
Another interesting page about wavedev2 audio is here:
http://blogs.msdn.com/medmedia/archive/2007/01/04/the-wavedev2-gainclass-implementation.aspx
If your able to succeed or even learn more, be sure to post it back here.
I said a lot so I probably got something wrong. Anyone, please feel free to correct anything.
mixerGetNumDevs() returns 0 on my device
I can't find any registry entry which suggests microphone gain manipulation.
Perhaps i just need to send a waveInMessage properly.
I'm getting confused, should i implement a driver for this?
How do i know what kind of driver is running on my device and what messages
does it accept?
Thanks.
i think this may be what you need(?)
use a registry editor, (phm do a good free one)
hkey_local_machine/software/htc/audiogain (and audiogain 0 and 1 and 2)
try playing with the settings in there, soft reset to take effect
I don't have that keys on my HTC, should i create it?
Do you mean audiogain0 audiogain1 audiogain2?
Thanks.
see the attached screenshot, if you don't have those settings to adjust, a similar/same question was asked last night in a other thread, with different answers here
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=306655
Looks like the cab file from the link provided by bbobeckyj just sets those audiogain registry settings. I don't have those settings on my apache. I don't think adding will help, but "you never know".
If you want to use waveInMessage() or waveInSetProperty() search for them at microsoft. You'll find there are a few parameters that you don't know. Read though the sample drivers that you can get with platform builder. See what values they expect, and which one cause them to change the microphone level. Try calling the function with values from the sample driver. While there is no guarantee that they use the same values, it's like that they do. I would start with the wavedev sample.
I don't know why microsoft doesn't seem to allow access to the source without agreeing to download all of platform builder, but it looks like that's the only way to get it. You can download the trial version for free. The source often helps if your trying to fingure out how something really works.
Uhmmm, i havn't found any download link about platform builder for windows CE 6.0. I've only found the 5.0.
Should't the trial be free?
Thanks.
I need to fix audio gain in my Itel Experience Phone (Windows Mobile 6.0 Pro)?
Please help.
I need to mute mic while on a call. Anyone has a idea of how may i do it?
Thanks
moved to the right forum, please post in the correct forums.
A lot of Windows Mobile users have been asking for answering machines for years. While it has long been available on competing mobile smartphone platforms (for example, Smart Answer for the S60), for Windows Mobile, so far (see THIS), there wasn’t a generic one - that is, one that wasn’t shipped along with a specific Pocket PC model only. (For example, the GIGABYTE gSmart i128 has such an answering machine.)
Of course, there have been many attempts at extracting the above-mentioned gSmart answering machine or the one in the O2 XDA Flame (I’m not entirely sure about the latter – see THIS) – without any success. Also, standalone answering machine development attempts (see for example THIS) have all failed.
Now, this seems to be changing: the first “real” answering machine has been released for WM Pocket PC’s. It still doesn’t seem to have a real homepage – for example, Google has found no occurrences of it anywhere. It’s only via a blog comment that I got known of it. The About screen (x51v screenshot HERE) only lists an email address of the author; that is, you’ll need to use e-mail to get more info.
Two screenshots of the incoming, recorded calls:
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(HTC Universal)
(HTC Wizard)
Getting, installing
Get it HERE, unRAR it with, say, WinRAR, transfer the contents of it to your Pocket PC and run iSecretary.exe. You can safely minimize it / suspend the phone: whenever an incoming call arrives, the answering machine activates, plays the, by default, Ukrainian language default message (you can easily change it in the Answer List tab, even in the non-registered version) and starts recording the caller’s voice. If it can, that is – the same restrictions apply as with traditional call recorders like PMRecorder. (See my past articles, linked from the Audio Recording Bible on them.) Furthermore, on some models (at least, the Universal) it can’t record anything incoming and, unfortunately, it can’t switch on the speakerphone mode either to make the caller’s voice more intelligible, unlike with VITO’s excellent AudioNotes reviewed & compared to the alternatives HERE.
Trial restrictions
Currently, as it doesn’t even have a homepage, I don’t know how it can be registered.
With the trial version, you can only use 2…10 second recordings (2 seconds on the Wizard, 8…10 on the Universal). You can only set the recording duration in the registered version. You can’t circumvent this by directly editing iSecretary.cfg in the main directory (changing 2 to other values) of the application.
Pocket PC compliance
I’ve tested it (as of the current v1.0 version) on the HTC Universal and HTC Wizard, both running WM6. Note that none of them support call recording. (Again, VERY few Pocket PC’s do so.)
(Incidentally, it also runs on the Dell Axim x51v, showing it doesn’t need for example Compact Framework 2 support. Of course, as the x51v is a non-phone device, there isn’t much point in installing the answering machine on it.)
With the Universal, it played back the pre-recorded message at full volume to the client because it used the (loud) external (non-phone) speakers. With the Wizard, it only used the phone buzzer to play back the message to the caller; therefore, even at maximum buzzer volume, the message was pretty hard to hear for the caller.
Recording-wise, it didn’t record anything with the Universal (running Midget’s AKU 0.2.0 WM6 ROM) - not even noise picked up by the mike. An example recording is HERE; if you take a look at its contents (with, say, a hex view-capable file viewer like Lister in Total Commander (after pressing Ctrl-O / 3), you’ll see only the byte 80 is recorded (with 7F / 81 sometimes inserted). That is, the app has major problems accessing the mike (let alone the incoming voice channel) on the Universal.
With the Wizard (running mfrazzz’s XDA Mobile 6 Release 3), only the external, ambient noise picked up by the mike. As the phone didn’t switch to speakerphone mode, the caller’s sound was very weak – again, even with the phone volume turned up to max and in an otherwise absolutely quiet environment.
MS Smartphone compliance
Unfortunately, it’s fully incompatible with the MS Smartphone (Windows Mobile 6 Standard) platform. This is VERY bad news because more HTC-manufactured, non-high-end Smartphones are capable of directly recording the incoming voice call than Pocket PC’s. (Of HTC’s current Pocket PC line, only the “brick” and already slightly outdated (it uses the PXA-270, as opposed to the Marvel PXA-3x0 series) HTC Athena / X7500 / Advantage is capable of call recording.)
HERE is the error message I got on my WM5 AKU3 HTC Oxygen / s310 and HERE on my WM6 HTC Vox / s710.
Verdict
I hope at least a basic homepage will be created and, more importantly, MS Smartphone compliance added so that I can test it with the HTC s310 / Oxygen, which does allow for call recording. I’d really like to know how iSecretary fares on the s310.
Anyone who can crck it????
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- TKN
I tried this on my eten x800. It did work but I didn't like the way the system answered the phone. If they can keep it silent then everything would probably be great.
wschom said:
I tried this on my eten x800. It did work but I didn't like the way the system answered the phone. If they can keep it silent then everything would probably be great.
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did you try lowering the system volume or even shutting it off completely?
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UPDATE (01/09/2008):
Combined with the enabled (!) speakerphone and call autorecord of VITO AudioNotes, both the HTC Wizard and the HTC Universal could make acceptable recordings. Note that even if the Wizard was set to "Silent", it automatically switched to speakerphone mode to both play the pre-recorded message and to relay the caller's voice. The Universal, on the other hand, didn't activate the speaker in this mode; therefore, the caller didn't hear the message at all. That is, with the Universal, you will need to set it to at least the lowest, but still enabled volume.
Using VITO AudioNotes in addition to iSecretary is also preferable in that iSecretary only stores the caller's info until you exit it. Unlike with PMRecorder / VITO AudioNotes / Resco Audio Recorder 4 (that is, the three most recommended apps for Windows Mobile call recording), it doesn't store the caller's number or any other data in/along with (for example, in the names) the WAV files it records. Therefore, adding an additional layer of (parallel) recording via VITO AudioNotes not only helps in switching to auto-speaker mode, but also preserves the caller's number / contact name, if any.
note that neither the intro message nor the caller's voice can be switched off. That is, the intro message is returned to the caller via the standard speaker / mike way and not directly. And, of course, the caller's voice, on most models, need to be relayed to the (auto-)speakerphone - with the help of VITO AudioNotes - so that it can be acceptably recorded. This means you won't be able to use this app in a place where silence is required (for example, in a concert). In cases like this, currently, only remote voice mailboxes (see THIS) or the SMS responser applications (see next bullet) will help.
This is certainly an area where Microsoft and the hardware manufacturers should improve on functionality. On Symbian, even in the very old S60v1 (I've myself tested this on my year 2003 N-Gage with the current, 2.05 version of Best Answering Machine), no speakerphone is needed to play back the message to the caller or (locally) record his/her incoming voice. All S60 devices can be used along with a local answering machine software in a completely silent environment - unlike with iSecretary, which must heavily rely on the very loud and disturbing speakerphone mode to make the audio transfer in both directions legible.
some have asked what the difference is between this app,
The Mobile Secretary and Aali Alikoski's recently-updated SMS Notifier (see review of version 1.2 HERE - note that in the new, 1.3 version, there are some WM6 compatibility fixes and it, finally, is auto-started after a reset) is. The major difference is that the latter two apps only send back an SMS message (and an optional Calendar info) to the caller and not a message. In this respect, they're exactly the same as Best SmsMachine on pre-S60v3 Symbian.
However, in silent environments like a theater or a concert, they are the only way (in addition to the mobile operator-based remote voicemail-boxes) to, in some way, respond to the caller because, as has already been pointed out, iSecretary MUST rely on the mike-speakerphone feedback to be able to both record incoming messages and play the intro message back to the caller. Using the speakerphone isn't acceptable in a quiet environment.
UPDATE (later on 01/09/2008): iSecretary 1.1 has been released; it's available for download HERE.
It contains the following fixes:
- fixes to a critical error when the phone answers the call before iSecretary.
- sets up max length for delay on income call
- fixes beep
The author has also promised to make a checkbox for speakerphone on/off to allow for automatic speakerphone invocation; to save persistent recods and auto startup after reset. Stay tuned
UPDATE (later on 01/09/2008): Yet another quick update: you can freely use the following code / key pair kindly provided by the developer (see the previous link to the Comments section of my blog) until version 2.x:
Code: 4pda.ru
Key: 3419FD41A11EE4
dosent work on Hermes , the message gets recorded but when its played back there is very faint noise of the recording ...
Unexpected error
Hi,
I like the idea of having the answering machine giving personalized speeches to the caller (if they come with the caller ID) .
It works, but...(sorry to say/use the 'BUT')
1.) I get always an unexpected error message and have to end the prog after the Isecretary has been in action. -> Just one record is made...
2.) The sound quality is very poor
notes: I tried on an O2 XDA Orbit1 with Meschle Rom
Not function on Asus P535
I have tried this program on my Asus P535 WM6 and found it not function. Program can run without any error. I could setting option, reccord my sound but when incomming call notthing was happend
the0ne said:
dosent work on Hermes , the message gets recorded but when its played back there is very faint noise of the recording ...
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Did you try auto-activating the speakerphone mode with VITO AudioNotes?
fun0815 said:
Hi,
I like the idea of having the answering machine giving personalized speeches to the caller (if they come with the caller ID) .
It works, but...(sorry to say/use the 'BUT')
1.) I get always an unexpected error message and have to end the prog after the Isecretary has been in action. -> Just one record is made...
2.) The sound quality is very poor
notes: I tried on an O2 XDA Orbit1 with Meschle Rom
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Guys,
1. did you try the latest, 1.1 version?
2. did you try using AudioNotes in parallel?
3. also, some say it's possible to use SKSchema for the same task. I'll give it a very thorough try some time.
UPDATE (01/14/2007): Version 2.1 of the app has been released & other news
1. As promised, the new, 2.x version no longer requires an external program (practically, VITO AudioNotes) to activate the speakerphone mode; also, it has some enhancements.
On the new homepage, several versions are available for download: the free 1.1 and the commercial 2.x series. You need to shell out $20 for the registration key; it unlocks the option screen visible below:
As can clearly be seen, there indeed is support for activating the built-in speakerphone, along with setting its volume. It supports controlling the microphone sensitivity, which might also help. It also has a back list and an ignore list:
Note that version 2.1 is no longer Compact Framework 1 only. It, now, requires Compact Framework 2. Should you “only” have a WM5 Pocket PC phone (WM6+ devices already come with it preinstalled), download and install THIS file, shouldn’t you have already done so.
Also note that, currently, version 2.1 is pretty much useless on VGA devices (for example, the Universal) as can be seen in HERE.
Note that the fundamental problems caused by the operating system / hardware manufacturers’ refusing to add direct audio stream access to their models. That is, the software is, unlike answering machines on Symbian phones, (still) using the built-in microphone / speaker (preferably in speakerphone mode!) to record incoming messages, which makes its usage completely impossible in quiet environments like a meeting or a theatre.
Finally, note that the registration number released for the 1.x series no longer works with the new, 2.x one.
2. As reported HERE (see the comment of Enraged), there is already a script for answering machine using SK Schema that works just fine. You can play back your .wav file (on some machines set the dealy to 3 secs after receiving phone call in parameters) and then use for example Resco Audio Recorder to record the call.
Nice application !!! no key ^_^
iSecretary 2.3 Released
iSecretary 2.3 has been released.
jcute said:
Nice application !!! no key ^_^
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Buy it if you like it - support the developer.
iSECRETARY new
Try this link
Download:
**** **** you, is it so hard to understand we don't tolerate warez????? -- Menneisyys ********
Copy to device
Register with included serial
Work just fine on my Touch.
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A lot of Windows Mobile users have been asking for answering machines for years. While it has long been available on competing mobile smartphone platforms (for example, Smart Answer for the S60), for Windows Mobile, so far (see THIS), there wasn’t a generic one - that is, one that wasn’t shipped along with a specific Pocket PC model only. (For example, the GIGABYTE gSmart i128 has such an answering machine.)
Of course, there have been many attempts at extracting the above-mentioned gSmart answering machine or the one in the O2 XDA Flame (I’m not entirely sure about the latter – see THIS) – without any success. Also, standalone answering machine development attempts (see for example THIS) have all failed.
Now, this seems to be changing: the first “real” answering machine has been released for WM Pocket PC’s. It still doesn’t seem to have a real homepage – for example, Google has found no occurrences of it anywhere. It’s only via a blog comment that I got known of it. The About screen (x51v screenshot HERE) only lists an email address of the author; that is, you’ll need to use e-mail to get more info.
Two screenshots of the incoming, recorded calls:
(HTC Universal)
(HTC Wizard)
Getting, installing
Get it HERE, unRAR it with, say, WinRAR, transfer the contents of it to your Pocket PC and run iSecretary.exe. You can safely minimize it / suspend the phone: whenever an incoming call arrives, the answering machine activates, plays the, by default, Ukrainian language default message (you can easily change it in the Answer List tab, even in the non-registered version) and starts recording the caller’s voice. If it can, that is – the same restrictions apply as with traditional call recorders like PMRecorder. (See my past articles, linked from the Audio Recording Bible on them.) Furthermore, on some models (at least, the Universal) it can’t record anything incoming and, unfortunately, it can’t switch on the speakerphone mode either to make the caller’s voice more intelligible, unlike with VITO’s excellent AudioNotes reviewed & compared to the alternatives HERE.
Trial restrictions
Currently, as it doesn’t even have a homepage, I don’t know how it can be registered.
With the trial version, you can only use 2…10 second recordings (2 seconds on the Wizard, 8…10 on the Universal). You can only set the recording duration in the registered version. You can’t circumvent this by directly editing iSecretary.cfg in the main directory (changing 2 to other values) of the application.
Pocket PC compliance
I’ve tested it (as of the current v1.0 version) on the HTC Universal and HTC Wizard, both running WM6. Note that none of them support call recording. (Again, VERY few Pocket PC’s do so.)
(Incidentally, it also runs on the Dell Axim x51v, showing it doesn’t need for example Compact Framework 2 support. Of course, as the x51v is a non-phone device, there isn’t much point in installing the answering machine on it.)
With the Universal, it played back the pre-recorded message at full volume to the client because it used the (loud) external (non-phone) speakers. With the Wizard, it only used the phone buzzer to play back the message to the caller; therefore, even at maximum buzzer volume, the message was pretty hard to hear for the caller.
Recording-wise, it didn’t record anything with the Universal (running Midget’s AKU 0.2.0 WM6 ROM) - not even noise picked up by the mike. An example recording is HERE; if you take a look at its contents (with, say, a hex view-capable file viewer like Lister in Total Commander (after pressing Ctrl-O / 3), you’ll see only the byte 80 is recorded (with 7F / 81 sometimes inserted). That is, the app has major problems accessing the mike (let alone the incoming voice channel) on the Universal.
With the Wizard (running mfrazzz’s XDA Mobile 6 Release 3), only the external, ambient noise picked up by the mike. As the phone didn’t switch to speakerphone mode, the caller’s sound was very weak – again, even with the phone volume turned up to max and in an otherwise absolutely quiet environment.
MS Smartphone compliance
Unfortunately, it’s fully incompatible with the MS Smartphone (Windows Mobile 6 Standard) platform. This is VERY bad news because more HTC-manufactured, non-high-end Smartphones are capable of directly recording the incoming voice call than Pocket PC’s. (Of HTC’s current Pocket PC line, only the “brick” and already slightly outdated (it uses the PXA-270, as opposed to the Marvel PXA-3x0 series) HTC Athena / X7500 / Advantage is capable of call recording.)
HERE is the error message I got on my WM5 AKU3 HTC Oxygen / s310 and HERE on my WM6 HTC Vox / s710.
Verdict
I hope at least a basic homepage will be created and, more importantly, MS Smartphone compliance added so that I can test it with the HTC s310 / Oxygen, which does allow for call recording. I’d really like to know how iSecretary fares on the s310.
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DOES THIS WORK ????????????????????
Hello all
I've been reading this forum for some months now and i like the windows'es and informations i've found here on my Hermes device
But now i have some questions on using the often integrated tool field test.
I've found out that with the IMSI-catcher (german wikipedia as one of the sources), that are more and more often used semi-legal by the police(here in europe there are a lot of 'GA-90' devices sold to the police and other institutions), it is possible to listen to phone calls(man in the middle attack), by just 'emulating' the strongest phone-cell in the area, to which the device connects instead of connecting to the provider's cell.
I also read that it would be possible to find out if there was an imsi-catcher device active in the area near you or not. The only thing needed is a special monitor software (field test?) that observes the MNC(Mobile Network Codes) behavior(appearently you need 2 handy's from the same provider with the monitoring software running).
But they didn't explain exactly on which behavior you should pay attention.
Since I could use 2 windows mobile devices to test this out, I am searching for more detailled information on this subject, and the first place that came in my mind was xda-developers
I allready did search this forum for the subject imsi catcher, and the only thing I've found is this.
google result
so one person who tries to change hies imei number, and another one who doesn't seem to know exactly what an imsi catcher can do.
Is here anyone who knows more?
I know that where I live, there are pple who make abuse with IMSI-catchers(catching calls without the permission from a judge or similar, or even one time someone listening to his girlfriends phone calls to see if she's cheating(and she did and that was the reason he left her))And yes this one was a young policeman who told that to his friends and even was proud of it.
I also dislike the fact that the handy, instead of the encrypted one with the provider's cell, has an non encrypted connection to the imsi catcher(if not there would be no possibility for a listening man in the middle attack).
I also read about the cellphones from http://www.cryptophone.de/
Appearently they do allways have encrypted conversations even through an Imsi-catcher. But if that would be true, the other side will need the same handy to decrypt it again. Because it has to encrypt, the allready encrypted data traffic with the provider's cell, if not it can't allow any protection against IMSI -Catcher devices. I also ask myself if, depending on where u want to use it, the 2nd encryption could produce a to huge phone traffic that could result p.ex. in a robot voice...
Anyone who could light me up?
Or is there any software able of reencrypting the encrypted transfer on windows mobile devices?technically it should be possible(2nd phone dialer installed so you choose the normal one for normal calls and 2nd one for calls with pple who also have this software installed on their phones)perhaps not with an 256 bit encryption but perhaps with a 128 or 64 bit encryption...
BTW, if there would be anyone able to programm such a hot piece of software for windows mobile devices I wouldn't have any problem to donate him with paypal, and i suppose other pple would do the sameAnd no I don't wanna replace that by Voip or skype via HTC...
Thanks in advance
Patrick
So no one who knows more about this?
I would be very happy if i could at least test if they're really used that often as they say they are(where i live).
And since i could try it in different major 'cities' over here, i suppose catching a imsi catcher soon or later
I'm quite curios if all the pple, telling that there is a lot of abuse with these machines, are right, or if that's all nonsens...
It would be nice if a warning icon could be integrated into Windows Mobile or the dialer to indicate that a call is not being encrypted. Read the Wikipedia entry for IMSI-catcher for more info. I'm guessing CDMA is largely unaffected since the hole seems to rely on the UMTS spec's backward-compatibility with GSM.
I'd also like to note that Skype is the way to go for true endpoint to endpoint call encryption. You know, if you're a gangster or something and need to brush off the popos. It would be interesting to investigate whether the WM6 integrated VOIP stack requires authentication/encryption.
it is interesting to follow the hype of WP7. i am not a fan of 'early adopter' idea. I am looking for a replacement of my good old HTC touch diamond and still searching some infos regarding WP7 from forums which received several negative feedbacks. I would like to hear from the WP7 power user how i could do the following equivalent tasks in the winmo 6.1 since i use it productively at work and rely heavily on them:
1. Excel Mobile: edit excel file either on the go or on pc to analyse the result graphically and sometimes show it to the client. a sync using mobsync would be done before switching the edit from mobile to pc or vice versa
2. Automatic Call Recorder (ACR): automatically record 2-way call conversation without pressing any button. Useful for recording phone number without taking notes (you could just replay the record many times) or recording directions given by the boss
3. GPS navigation app with offline map and rerouting function: I often lose GSM signal while driving to the clients in remote areas. rerouting is useful if i need to drive to new client which area is unfamiliar and easily to get the wrong turn :-(
4. Sync all outlook + backup SMS data: i am using Activesync for the outlook & PPCPimBackup for the sms. i can get the whole data back from the past to the the latest after the ROM is upgraded e.g. i have 3000+ text messages
5. No data in the cloud - company policy: company data is not allowed to be stored in the cloud whatever the reason. i know it is ridiculous because data could be easily taken if the mobile phone is stolen
6. File explorer: to organise all types of files in the internal storage
nope, wp7 will not fit your needs at all. I would look for a used hd2 if you want newer hardware.
budsant said:
it is interesting to follow the hype of WP7. i am not a fan of 'early adopter' idea. I am looking for a replacement of my good old HTC touch diamond and still searching some infos regarding WP7 from forums which received several negative feedbacks. I would like to hear from the WP7 power user how i could do the following equivalent tasks in the winmo 6.1 since i use it productively at work and rely heavily on them:
1. Excel Mobile: edit excel file either on the go or on pc to analyse the result graphically and sometimes show it to the client. a sync using mobsync would be done before switching the edit from mobile to pc or vice versa
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Has Excel.
2. Automatic Call Recorder (ACR): automatically record 2-way call conversation without pressing any button. Useful for recording phone number without taking notes (you could just replay the record many times) or recording directions given by the boss
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This is potentially illegal.
3. GPS navigation app with offline map and rerouting function: I often lose GSM signal while driving to the clients in remote areas. rerouting is useful if i need to drive to new client which area is unfamiliar and easily to get the wrong turn :-(
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Would have to buy an app for this. Google/Bing Navigation isn't offline. I don't think TeleNav is, either. Personally, I would recommend a dedicated GPS system if this is what you need. Nokia phones come with Offline Map capabilities, and there are some apps (may get released soon) which offer it. But it's not a stock function and don't expect Microsoft to offer such a thing in Bing. These things take up a ton of storage space on you device, as well.
4. Sync all outlook + backup SMS data: i am using Activesync for the outlook & PPCPimBackup for the sms. i can get the whole data back from the past to the the latest after the ROM is upgraded e.g. i have 3000+ text messages
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No ( <- forgot that important 2 letter word unintentionally) Sync via USB to outlook. ActiveSync/DeltaSync keeps everything in Sync, anyways. Dunno why anyone keeps that many texts, but Microsoft will roll out Devices.Live.com for WP7 which will allow you to do almost all of what MyPhone offered for Windows Mobile - that includes backing up text messages.
5. No data in the cloud - company policy: company data is not allowed to be stored in the cloud whatever the reason. i know it is ridiculous because data could be easily taken if the mobile phone is stolen
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Company data does not get stored in the cloud. It's sync'd via the Exchange server the same way Windows Mobile, iOS, Android, and Blackberries Sync it. Windows Phone 7 supports Exchange Remote Wipe.
Your camera roll gets automatically Sync'd to SkyDrive, but why would you take uber sekret company photos on a smartphone, anyways...
6. File explorer: to organise all types of files in the internal storage
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Don't count on it. The OS organizes things for you into Libraries. This really isn't needed that much. I dunno why people keep asking for it when Microsoft made it pretty clear that it isn't coming. WP7 isn't the only smartphone OS that doesn't have a File Manager in it.
@ Thread Title: Productivity is subjective and depends on what the person does on his/her device. You haven't really give anyone a clue as to what you do on you device, so it's hard to tell if it'll be productive to you. All you've done was put a tacky title on yet another "this is what I want for WP7. Is it there, is it coming, why isn't it there, etc." thread.
That may sound a bit harsh. Not intentionally. But that's basically what it is.
Windows Phone 7 is way more productive than Windows Mobile, generally speaking. Anything except maybe Blackberry OS and Symbian^3 is more productive than Windows Mobile.
N8ter said:
Has Excel.
This is potentially illegal.
Would have to buy an app for this. Google/Bing Navigation isn't offline. I don't think TeleNav is, either. Personally, I would recommend a dedicated GPS system if this is what you need. Nokia phones come with Offline Map capabilities, and there are some apps (may get released soon) which offer it. But it's not a stock function and don't expect Microsoft to offer such a thing in Bing. These things take up a ton of storage space on you device, as well.
Sync via USB to outlook. ActiveSync/DeltaSync keeps everything in Sync, anyways. Dunno why anyone keeps that many texts, but Microsoft will roll out Devices.Live.com for WP7 which will allow you to do almost all of what MyPhone offered for Windows Mobile - that includes backing up text messages.
Company data does not get stored in the cloud. It's sync'd via the Exchange server the same way Windows Mobile, iOS, Android, and Blackberries Sync it. Windows Phone 7 supports Exchange Remote Wipe.
Your camera roll gets automatically Sync'd to SkyDrive, but why would you take uber sekret company photos on a smartphone, anyways...
Don't count on it. The OS organizes things for you into Libraries. This really isn't needed that much. I dunno why people keep asking for it when Microsoft made it pretty clear that it isn't coming. WP7 isn't the only smartphone OS that doesn't have a File Manager in it.
@ Thread Title: Productivity is subjective and depends on what the person does on his/her device. You haven't really give anyone a clue as to what you do on you device, so it's hard to tell if it'll be productive to you. All you've done was put a tacky title on yet another "this is what I want for WP7. Is it there, is it coming, why isn't it there, etc." thread.
That may sound a bit harsh. Not intentionally. But that's basically what it is.
Windows Phone 7 is way more productive than Windows Mobile, generally speaking. Anything except maybe Blackberry OS and Symbian^3 is more productive than Windows Mobile.
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you spent way too much time on that response to someone who obviously has no intention of getting a wp7 device.
But a great response none the less...
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you spent way too much time on that response to someone who obviously has no intention of getting a wp7 device.
But a great response none the less...
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Wrong attitude. He wants to know if he can use new OS and do things he needs to do.
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Wrong attitude. He wants to know if he can use new OS and do things he needs to do.
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He could have read any of the 400 reviews on this OS in its infancy and figured that out.
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@N8ter: thanks for the explanation. WP7 is connection data intensive, it needs a good data plan
@nrfitchett4: wow, i can feel the heat from your replies. calm down... anyway, i think older gadget such ad hd2 is more suitable for me (though i don't like its battery capacity for the huge display). you are right
@All others: any other opinions ?
my opinion: i get the feeling that without a good network coverage & signal the newer OSes (android/wp7/iphone) will reduce its ability to perform even a simple task. we are getting dependent a lot on the cloud
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@N8ter: thanks for the explanation. WP7 is connection data intensive, it needs a good data plan
@nrfitchett4: wow, i can feel the heat from your replies. calm down... anyway, i think older gadget such ad hd2 is more suitable for me (though i don't like its battery capacity for the huge display). you are right
@All others: any other opinions ?
my opinion: i get the feeling that without a good network coverage & signal the newer OSes (android/wp7/iphone) will reduce its ability to perform even a simple task. we are getting dependent a lot on the cloud
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Sorry. Not trying to flame, just a lot of hate threads hear lately. Honestly for what you want to do, an hd2 is probably your best. Mature OS with high end device specs. Extended battery is available if you can stand the hump it will add, or carrying a spare battery is what I did with my tp2.
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@N8ter: thanks for the explanation. WP7 is connection data intensive, it needs a good data plan
@nrfitchett4: wow, i can feel the heat from your replies. calm down... anyway, i think older gadget such ad hd2 is more suitable for me (though i don't like its battery capacity for the huge display). you are right
@All others: any other opinions ?
my opinion: i get the feeling that without a good network coverage & signal the newer OSes (android/wp7/iphone) will reduce its ability to perform even a simple task. we are getting dependent a lot on the cloud
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I am poweruser of WM considering it's features as top.
And than I bought WP which I use for 3 weeks.
First, it's not true WP7 will not work without data transfer.
Mine works exactly like it should with data off. I mean it requires transfer for the things which need it anyway like email, browser etc.
I don't buy music from the marketplace...
Yes there are some apps which are connection based like translators ect. and I would love to see it offline too.
Now productivity - it's a question of what you really need.
In fact WP7 with Office and OneNote built in is very productive.
I love the platform for it's power and execution.
However I do miss things from WM. Android is unnacceptable UI wise....
So I am staying with WP7 if Microsoft will add more features to it.
If not - it will be tough call.
Now feeling how WP7 works I don't want to step back and everything else FEELS like a step backwards. And I hope I will not be forced to do it.
But my WM6.5 device is still with me ready to come back.
Well Said
doministry said:
I am poweruser of WM considering it's features as top.
And than I bought WP which I use for 3 weeks.
First, it's not true WP7 will not work without data transfer.
Mine works exactly like it should with data off. I mean it requires transfer for the things which need it anyway like email, browser etc.
I don't buy music from the marketplace...
Yes there are some apps which are connection based like translators ect. and I would love to see it offline too.
Now productivity - it's a question of what you really need.
In fact WP7 with Office and OneNote built in is very productive.
I love the platform for it's power and execution.
However I do miss things from WM. Android is unnacceptable UI wise....
So I am staying with WP7 if Microsoft will add more features to it.
If not - it will be tough call.
Now feeling how WP7 works I don't want to step back and everything else FEELS like a step backwards. And I hope I will not be forced to do it.
But my WM6.5 device is still with me ready to come back.
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Well said. I still have my HTC FUZE, in fact the SIM card I used in my new Samsung Focus was the one I used in the FUZE. I can insert it back into the FUZE anytime I want to. But, even though I used WM for years, and tweaked it, customized it, loaded 4 new Radio ROMs and 5 custom ROMs, I am staying with the WP7 phone. For me, it is smoother, faster, and everything is well integrated. I am looking forward to updates and new features, but for now, it is an awesome experience. I now realize that I had loaded up my WM 6.5.5 phone with a lot of crap I never used and don't miss now. OK, I understand that people want the "right" to load their phone up with "Crap" they'll never use, and some "Crap" they will use, and for those, they'll have to wait on WP7 or remain with WM or some other OS, and that's fine. Personally, I would have loved WM still being upgraded on the latest hardware, I would have stayed with that, I think. But having moved to WP7, I won't go back.
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you spent way too much time on that response to someone who obviously has no intention of getting a wp7 device.
But a great response none the less...
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it was time very well spent. N8ter's post answered my questions without me having to make a new thread.
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it was time very well spent. N8ter's post answered my questions without me having to make a new thread.
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+1
its good to see wm users experiences and questions about a possible up/down grade to wp.
very useful stuff.
Touching on N8ter's point on libraries and file managers... If you think about it, those libraries ARE file managers, and are actually more effective than a file manager would be. The only thing, which will be fixed with W8 and Mango working together, is better SkyDrive integration so you have a much easier way of syncing your files. I mean, I honestly have never used my phone as a flash drive, and the only reason I ever used a file manager in the past was for .cab files... Which we don't need any more.
But, I can't wait for SkyDrive to work as it needs to coming up, I think THAT is my most important feature coming considering I'm a student and would make my life significantly easier. I do see an ability to hook up the phone to a PC in the future and Word automatically recognize your Word files on a WinPhone device though... Not as a mass storage, as an additional "library" for files... If you understand what I mean here.
Libraries aren't a file manager. It isn't a replacement, either. There's no control over a library. It's an automatic classification of media on the device based on the media type. You can't take a private file and put it somewhere on the device where it will not show up in a Library, and that's an issue for some people. If you have any private documents/images/videos on your phone, it's hard to let anyone who thinks the phone looks interesting play with it because all of those files are right there in plain sight in the Hubs, so you have to tell them to go to a Carrier store if they wanna play with one. That's not an issue on i.e. an Android phone because you can hide the file in a nested folder and set it so that the folder's files are not displayed in the Gallery.
Also, the lack of a file manager is keeping things like BT File transfer and File Transfer in IM applications out at the moment, and it make sit ridiculously hard to put files on the device and keep them organized.
One of the best features of Android Office applications is their integrated file manager and Cloud Integration.
SkyDrive will be nice, but without a decent file manager Office will still be worthless to me because there's no way I'm putting all my files on SkyDrive. I'm not a conspiracy theorist, but I have 5 computers here and do not need Microsoft to hold my files. I like my stuff to be organized, and I don't want everything on the internet... Skydrive also doesn't have the best file type support for Synching...
Do you back up your camera roll to SkyDrive automatically?
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Libraries aren't a file manager. It isn't a replacement, either. There's no control over a library. It's an automatic classification of media on the device based on the media type. You can't take a private file and put it somewhere on the device where it will not show up in a Library, and that's an issue for some people. If you have any private documents/images/videos on your phone, it's hard to let anyone who thinks the phone looks interesting play with it because all of those files are right there in plain sight in the Hubs, so you have to tell them to go to a Carrier store if they wanna play with one. That's not an issue on i.e. an Android phone because you can hide the file in a nested folder and set it so that the folder's files are not displayed in the Gallery.
Also, the lack of a file manager is keeping things like BT File transfer and File Transfer in IM applications out at the moment, and it make sit ridiculously hard to put files on the device and keep them organized.
One of the best features of Android Office applications is their integrated file manager and Cloud Integration.
SkyDrive will be nice, but without a decent file manager Office will still be worthless to me because there's no way I'm putting all my files on SkyDrive. I'm not a conspiracy theorist, but I have 5 computers here and do not need Microsoft to hold my files. I like my stuff to be organized, and I don't want everything on the internet... Skydrive also doesn't have the best file type support for Synching...
Do you back up your camera roll to SkyDrive automatically?
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Bluetooth transfer isn't implemented because Microsoft hasn't yet, not because of any other reason. You could go to any file, or picture, and select Share, and the option could be there, regardless of library. I mean, by that theory, there shouldn't be any method of sharing then. You do it in text messaging at the moment, and in Who's Near Me, it's just the apps haven't implemented them.
If things on your phone are that important, there is a password option. I personally don't let anybody touch my phone. I think my texts are far more 'secret' than any document I can put on my phone, to be honest, but that's just me. I would though like folders in Office to sort out my documents, this may come with the new integration though. I would also like to option to protect the documents as I do on my computer.
As far as putting files on the device, I'm for the whole "only supported files" allowed deal. But, look back at my post, I would like to see something along the lines of: Plug my phone into the computer, open word, and it's there as an extension. Same with other Microsoft applications. Pictures and Music are already done through Zune.
I think I'm also on a different end of the spectrum than you are. Personally I keep all my files on my home network. I also access it remotely. So, full SkyDrive integration would be amazing in my eyes. I'm already at risk connecting to the internet, pretty sure Microsoft can do a better job than me at protecting my files. I already use SkyDrive on my phone through the mobile site too, it's just a hassle in dropping them into the folder I created on my computer, and then downloading them on my phone. This being done automatically would be amazing.
But as far as using it as a storage device for files the phone has no need for, I don't like that idea personally. You have to remember the types of users that are being marketed here. I think something along what I suggested would be best. Security just needs to be upped a little. Let me password protect certain files and I'm fine.
And no, I don't automatically put them on SkyDrive... I think mainly out of habit. But 99% of my pictures go on Facebook the second I snap them. And I use Photobucket quite often... If my Live friends were large in number I'm pretty sure my SkyDrive would be full of public photos.
From all my research on WP7 and HTC HD7, yes it seems very strenuous to do the things we used could do on other 'smartphones' ... Ever since apple came out with the 'app' world... things are being followed(android, Ms).. But what i think is, that with Win 8 on the Horizon, the app world is here to stay, and it shouldn't be a surprise when it will come to, what you can run on your PC, u can also run it on ur mobile... I don't know if such interface has happened with Apple and the Macs and the pods n phones to do that... Google is doing more with chrome to do that with their android... so, will they still have to sit upon other os's to accomplish this or as I think I've heard they are making their own Os... Future stats shows, Apple is on a downhill trend and Android to follow... In reading in MSN today, Android phones are being introduced with viruses, such as the one that will sit on your phone and send all your data to some phone numbers in china... So Android glory days maybe not so great... As the veterans have stood longer then the newbies...
just a thought