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Hi all - thanks for such an informative forum! I'm looking to replace my beloved aging (and dying) Dell AximX50v, and the info at this site is very helpful.
I took this photo at my AT&T store, comparing the google homepage on the Axim's VGA screen, the iPhone, and the Tilt (the Touch Pro will have VGA resolution, but the screen size will be the same, I think).
The photo overemphasizes iPhone's brightness, just because it was directly below the camera lens and the other two devices were at an angle to the camera (the camera was close to the devices).
Touch Pro specs are awesome, but even the iPhone's screen is smaller than the x50v's...sigh. Why can't we have a great tool AND eye candy??!
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The Duck
cant be sure but are you sure the other two phones were not using dimmed screen, i know for a fact that th diamond and my old Orbit has a significantly better screen brightness then those.
Hey, Dazza - no, the screens weren't dimmed. As a matter of fact, the photo posted above was the 2nd picture I took because the Tilt did dim the screen just as I took my first shot - here's what it looked like dimmed!
While the iPhone's screen was brightest, there's no question that both the Axim and the HTC screens looked substantially brigher than shows up in this photo. I can see a substantial difference on my Axim if I look at the screen straight on and if I look at it at even a very slight angle. When I got close to the 3 devices for the picture, the angle of the lens to screen didn't do any favors to the Axim or the HTC.
My purpose in sharing the photo was to illustrate screen SIZES though - there's a big difference between the Axim, the nearly same size iPhone, and that of the HTC! 'Natch, all are loads better than my Razr V3xx screen, though!
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The Duck
The screen of the tilt still looks quite dim (although you said it looked brighter in real life.
Are you sure you also put the screen brightness on highest? By default, my TP adjusts its brightness according to the environment lighting.
I've uploaded some pics (the ones with my laptop (Asus G1S, full brightness) in the background are alternated between autoadjust/full brightness)
http://www.sanderd.be/public/htctp/screenbrightness/
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I hear you! I love my Tilt, and have been looking at the Touch Pro as a good upgrade just to have my VGA back.
Having used the x50v, and just recently retiring my x51v, I understand what you mean by screen size. It would be nice if HTC and the others would make us spoiled by true PDAs something with a real screen.
I work with a guy who uses an HP PDA that has a 4" screen. It is absolutely wonderful to work off of. The only offering from HTC that is close, is the 5" Advantage, and is overkill for most.
Well I still have my glorious LOOX 720 and I can tell you, its screen is great (and even compared to the other VGA devices of the time, if you remember the tests), BUT, I easily moved to Touch Pro anyway.
ah, that would actually make sence, sorry i was bit stupid there, viewing angles!
Obviously need to exercise that part of my brain some more.
I am deliberating on whether to get a refund or ask for a replacement. Along with overheating(or just getting a little too warm) and reboots(twice a screen has come up and stated that "the device has done an improper reset please send info on to HTC) and non responsive screens and lags(My G2x has some of those too.) I now have noticed that the screen on my Sensation is really washed out. I put it on the same live wallpaper on the sensation as the G2X and it just looks really washed out on the Sensation. The viewing angle is extremely small.It reminds me of theMT4G fiasco a while back. I really do like the Sensation and I can put up with the battery running hot etc. but not with washed out screen. Has anyone else had this issue? I am looking for reasons to get a replacement and not just turn it in for a refund. The Sensation is sweet in many areas but I just cannot tolerate a washed out screen. I had the G2x and went through 4 of them before I got a screen that was tolerable. I do not want to go through that again. Any and all input and info is appreciated.
I have compared my Sensation side by side with my G2X to see the difference in screen and I would hardly call the sensation "washed out". The G2X screen is slightly brighter but that's about all the difference I really see. It sounds like (and no offense is intended with this statement) you're one of those people that are going to find a reason to have a complaint. I don't mean that to be offensive I mean that to say, the screen is what it is. If you feel like the screen is washed out, then there is no need for you to waste Sensations that other people could be getting. Just return it and move on to another phone.
doesn't G2X have IPS screen? It's kinda like comparing apple with orange there, you just can't compare the awesome viewing angle (170degree-ish?) on IPS screen with Super LCD.
The screen to me seems washed out, but NOT in comparison to other LED panels, but rather the fact that I was using a galaxy s before and not used to a back light on my phone.
After using it a few days out it hasn't driven me nuts like it has, and I know the only phone that I may like the screen on is the galaxy s2, and that's just the deep blacks, and I prefer the cool color temp vs the warm I notice on this phone.
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I am deliberating on whether to get a refund or ask for a replacement. Along with overheating(or just getting a little too warm) and reboots(twice a screen has come up and stated that "the device has done an improper reset please send info on to HTC) and non responsive screens and lags(My G2x has some of those too.) I now have noticed that the screen on my Sensation is really washed out. I put it on the same live wallpaper on the sensation as the G2X and it just looks really washed out on the Sensation. The viewing angle is extremely small.It reminds me of theMT4G fiasco a while back. I really do like the Sensation and I can put up with the battery running hot etc. but not with washed out screen. Has anyone else had this issue? I am looking for reasons to get a replacement and not just turn it in for a refund. The Sensation is sweet in many areas but I just cannot tolerate a washed out screen. I had the G2x and went through 4 of them before I got a screen that was tolerable. I do not want to go through that again. Any and all input and info is appreciated.
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I had the same problems with the reboots. I've contacted HTC support and they advised to replace the phone as they don't have any fix for that yet.
Washed out due to the 4.3inch factor.. desire S has the highest contrast for SCLD since its TINY. I feel colours are accurate on the sensation compared to desire s and incredible S
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I agree the screen gets washed out quickly due to narrow viewing angles. However besides this issue it's an excellent screen, both colours and resolution.
I haven't had any touch issues (not able to move the circle etc) after uninstalling laucher pro and other alternative launchers.
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I agree the screen gets washed out quickly due to narrow viewing angles. However besides this issue it's an excellent screen, both colours and resolution.
I haven't had any touch issues (not able to move the circle etc) after uninstalling laucher pro and other alternative launchers.
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Is this lockscreen issue happening because of installing other launchers? Are you sure of that? There are people on this forum suffering from that.
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Is this lockscreen issue happening because of installing other launchers? Are you sure of that? There are people on this forum suffering from that.
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Yes, I had terrible touch and unlock issues, after moving back to sense and unnstalling it has been fine. For about a week now.
Many HTC phones have the issue where there are Good/Bad screens, hope that is the only problem it has and hopefully no Bad Emmc Chips like on Current htc phones.
I have the Sensation and Galaxy S II here and head-on the difference isn't that huge.
Obviously the colours pop more on the AMOLED and the blacks are very deep, but to be honest I wasn't disappointed with the screen on the Sensation, its certainly sharper, which counts for a lot.
If you look from a tight angle the screen does look extremely washed out, but in real world use you probably are going to be looking at it head-on most of the time.
It could be worse on yours though and your phone could be faulty, so I'd get it replaced and see if the new one is an improvement.
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I have compared my Sensation side by side with my G2X to see the difference in screen and I would hardly call the sensation "washed out". The G2X screen is slightly brighter but that's about all the difference I really see. It sounds like (and no offense is intended with this statement) you're one of those people that are going to find a reason to have a complaint. I don't mean that to be offensive I mean that to say, the screen is what it is. If you feel like the screen is washed out, then there is no need for you to waste Sensations that other people could be getting. Just return it and move on to another phone.
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I have experienced washed out screens with the HTC MT4G and after 4 I got one that was not washed out or had screen issues.If you check back in the MT4G thread you will see it was quite an issue and was widespread. I merely was attempting to see if others had the same issue or if it was just the way the screen is(head on fairly good, at an angle not good) so I could make an informed decision as to whether to just send it back or try one more. It appears(no offense intended) that you may be a fan boy who dislikes anyone bringing issues(or questions) to the forefront. I do not mean that to be offensive. I was not complaining but just gathering information concerning the screen so that I would not waste any of your Sensations. I am sure there will be more than enough to go around.
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I have the Sensation and Galaxy S II here and head-on the difference isn't that huge.
Obviously the colours pop more on the AMOLED and the blacks are very deep, but to be honest I wasn't disappointed with the screen on the Sensation, its certainly sharper, which counts for a lot.
If you look from a tight angle the screen does look extremely washed out, but in real world use you probably are going to be looking at it head-on most of the time.
It could be worse on yours though and your phone could be faulty, so I'd get it replaced and see if the new one is an improvement.
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I find this extreamly hard to belive.
MANY PEOPLE who have the Desire S and the Inspire S have commented about how much worse the Screen on the Sensation is.
So then how can the SAMOLED screen not have a large difference when Comparing the Infuse (which has a crappier quality SAMOLED screen then the GS2) is a HUGE improvement over the Inspire 4g ?
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I find this extreamly hard to belive.
MANY PEOPLE who have the Desire S and the Inspire S have commented about how much worse the Screen on the Sensation is.
So then how can the SAMOLED screen not have a large difference when Comparing the Infuse (which has a crappier quality SAMOLED screen then the GS2) is a HUGE improvement over the Inspire 4g ?
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You can believe what you like. There is no doubt that the SAMOLED screen is the best around (except maybe for the iPhone screen), but the Sensation screen is perfectly acceptable. The benefits of it are the extra resolution which is very noticeable in portrait operation and it is generally sharper and smaller text is much easier on the eye.
The Sensation has worse viewing angles than the non qHD SLCD screens, but head-on there is nothing wrong with it at all. I don't think most people are going to be too concerned about what the screen looks like at a fairly harsh angle. I'm certainly not. If you are, you want AMOLED.
Actually, I find the viewing angles really strange on this phone. I find that in some cases the screen actally performs better slightly off from a perpendicular angle.
For example, when viewing video in landscape on HTC watch. Dead on, the contrast is not great in dark scenes and detail is hard to make out (particularly in faces), but rotated a couple of degrees up or down is much better. I find that lowering the backlight (or using auto-backlight) makes things better for landscape video - note that the battery saver feature likes to disable auto brightness and neglects to re-enable it (i would not be surprised if this is to blame for many people reporting washed out colours, due to backlight being stuck at full power)
I'm not saying the screen is bad - it most certainly is not - but the incredible s has much better (but lower res) screen viewing angles. However, compared to the UK Desire HD screen (which is stardard lcd), the sensation screen is infinitely better.
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I find this extreamly hard to belive.
MANY PEOPLE who have the Desire S and the Inspire S have commented about how much worse the Screen on the Sensation is.
So then how can the SAMOLED screen not have a large difference when Comparing the Infuse (which has a crappier quality SAMOLED screen then the GS2) is a HUGE improvement over the Inspire 4g ?
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What he said is absolutely correct. There is not much difference. If you compare them side by side you will see what he means. But yes he is correct.
I've had a MyTouch 4g with the crappy Sharp screen and a Mytouch 4G with the superb Sony screen. The Sensation screen, as far as viewing angles go, is between the two. It's a good screen, but not as good as they Sony screen in the MyTouch. The G2X has better angles and better colors (the G2X is actually a very nice screen, save for uniform black levels) but the Sensation has uniform blacks! I returned my G2X because of the light bleed and so far I'm very pleased with the sensation.
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I find this extreamly hard to belive.
MANY PEOPLE who have the Desire S and the Inspire S have commented about how much worse the Screen on the Sensation is.
So then how can the SAMOLED screen not have a large difference when Comparing the Infuse (which has a crappier quality SAMOLED screen then the GS2) is a HUGE improvement over the Inspire 4g ?
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Maybe the Sensation having a higher resolution balances out the viewing angle. Here's something I just read earlier today in the engadget review of the Sensation:
In our review of the Galaxy S II, we opined that though its display was of superlative quality, its pixel density left a little something to be desired. The Sensation gives us that extra flourish with a 960 x 540 resolution (35 percent more pixels than on Samsung's 800 x 480 panel) on a Super LCD screen that fails to match the vivid output or viewing angles of its Super AMOLED Plus competitor, but at least maintains a similarly hyperbolic naming scheme. There are two significant advantages to moving up to qHD resolution. The first and most tangible is that you get more of everything: Gmail displays more missives, the browser fits more of your favorite blog's content at a time, the calendar includes more agenda items, and you get to see more of your contacts without having to scroll (11 on the Sensation versus 9 on the WVGA Incredible S screen). Additionally, though the user interface sticks to the standard 16 grid slots for your icons and widgets, having them all in higher resolution lends an extra layer of visual polish, if nothing else. The camera and gallery apps benefit from having more dots to display your compositions and resulting images.
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In terms of the Sensation's output quality, it merits noting that in spite of its 4.3-inch display bearing the same branding as the 4- and 3.7-inch ones on the Incredible S and Desire S, it is not up to the same standard. Viewing angles are the first giveaway, as they're nowhere near as expansive on the Sensation. At 45 degrees away from center, the Sensation's picture washes out, whereas the Incredible S maintains color fidelity until laid almost flat. Additionally, the smaller handset is brighter and better saturated than its newcomer buddy. None of this is to say that HTC has installed a poor LCD on the Sensation, we'd just refrain from calling it a Super one. As to our running tally against the Galaxy S II, the Sensation wins out on resolution, but loses by a big margin when it comes to quality and the sheer feeling of luxury that the GSII provides.
http://www.engadget.com/2011/05/27/htc-sensation-review/
Hello,
I've been reading these forums for ages and decided it was time to actually share some thoughts.
Since my HD2 broke a few weeks ago I am looking for a new phone. I wanted to buy a GSII or HTC Sensation but after hearing about HTC's One line I decided I could wait another month.
Now I am considering both the One S and the One X.
My thoughts about these phones:
I do not really care about the processor as long as the phone runs smooth, I expect them both to be fine at this point
The lack of a SD-card slot doesn't really bother me as well
A non-removable battery will be something I have to live with
Now the real differences to me are:
Size/form: The one S looks like a way better sized to me. I doubt I could like a phone beyond ~4.5". I also think the black ceramic looks really beautiful. The One X looks good as well, but the vulcano-shaped camera is just ugly to me.
Costs: the One S is a bit cheaper
Display: reading the reviews I think it's easy to conclude the One X is definitely way ahead of the One S
Now my question: Is the qHD Super Amoled Pentile display on the One S really that bad? Sure it might not look good when viewing at 15cm distance. But that won't be the way I will be using the phone. I read about the Galaxy Nexus and the Nexus One having a PenTile Amoled screen as well. Though a lot of people complain about the Nexus One, I do not hear that much complains about the Galaxy Nexus' screen. Is this due to the higher resolution?
How would the One S' display look compared to, say, the HD2 800x480 WVGA display?
Can't wait to test them in real life!
Advantages of qHD Pentile SAMOLED:
- Excellent contrast
- True Black
- Colors that pop out of the screen
- In 4.3" is a decent PPI but not best, meaning it will sharp but it could be better (coming from HD2 you shouldn't notice that much difference unless you compare it side by side with a higher resolution screen)
- Longer battery life IF using a lot of black (which ICS uses, but webpages don't)
Disadvantages:
- Not so sharp text (because of Pentile Matrix and not so high resolution combined)
- "Dirty Whites", no matter how well calibrated is the screen white is one of the colors that usually suffer more with Pentile Amoled screens
- Shorter battery life IF surfing the web a lot or using applications with predominant white color
- Poor outdoor performance in shiny days compared with many LCD screens
I'm sure I'm missing some others, but that pretty much sum the pros and cons of SAMOLED screens with Pentile.
And you're right about Galaxy Nexus screen, the only advantage that alleviates the sharpness problem is the higher PPI, but even so the problems are there just less noticeable.
Compared to the HD2s 64K only colors screen I think you will be delighted with any of the newer screens, pentile or not.
I had an Amoled Desire and indeed the pentile layout is a little less sharp but it didn't bother me at all and I will be happily buying a One-S when it becomes available.
You should see what people say about the Droid Razor because that has a qhd samoled pentile screen. Check reviews and stuff, from what I read (very little) the screen isn't that great according to theverge and engadget, but go check it out at the Verizon store and you will have a good idea of how the screen will look. IMO its just a small "issue" because the rest of it is pretty bad ass.
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Yeah, I have a friend who has the RAZR and the screen is pretty shoddy. Its not so much the sharpness, but it has a really strong blue tint if you look at it even slightly tilted. Its not even a tint, white turns into blue. Not sure if that just came from a bad batch but if that's the screen that the One S will have I have to be a bit concerned.
My Vibrant has a slight blue tint as well but its not nearly as strong. If the One S has a screen closer to the Vibrant than the RAZR then it's perfectly fine.
Nice to read your opinions! It's always nice to see how people have totally different opinions about the same thing.
I, really like a sharper, higher resolution screen. I kinda get annoyed when text gets blurred. Yet if it is only really noticeable when taking a closer look I won't mind.. The colored white is something I am a bit worried about though. I quite like the more saturated colors.
I think we can conclude that I (we) will just have to wait to see the device in real life. As long as it does not bother me when watching from a little distance I guess I will take it! Apart from the screen the specs are great and it just looks very very nice..
I didn't think there was anything wrong with the AMOLED screen on the One S when I had a play with it on Friday just gone, and colours were noticeable brighter than the One X's SLCD2 screen (as you'd expect)
The weight and thinness of the One S was nice, though - didn't expect it to be so light/slim
The Screen seems to be that same like the one in the motorola razzr. I did have the razzr for a few days and i can tell that i didnt like it. Colors were not accurate and in some circumstanced it looked really really bad (red backgroud with text on it)
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I didn't think there was anything wrong with the AMOLED screen on the One S when I had a play with it on Friday just gone, and colours were noticeable brighter than the One X's SLCD2 screen (as you'd expect)
The weight and thinness of the One S was nice, though - didn't expect it to be so light/slim
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Thanks for the impressions.
I think that this may be a Motorola thing. I had a look at a Droid 3 yesterday and despite it being qHD, it was noticeably more pixelated than my Vibrant at WVGA. I barely notice the pixelation on my phone unless I really look for it. Does Samsung provide these screens? Maybe they're sabotaging their competitors?
doesn't seem too bad even compared to the one x
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doesn't seem too bad even compared to the one x
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You'll never notice a difference between two small screens from a far distance, remember you use a phone very close to your face, and even then not everybody see things in the same way and some people claim not being able to notice the pentile pixelation (others like me see it).
For me the pentile SAMOLED is good if not the best... I have a Galaxy S and I found the screen to be pretty good(Was using LCD droid before).. Anyways gsmarena reported the pentile screen of the One S to be better than earlier pentile screens.They said HTC used some of its tech on the screen resulting in better pentile SAMOLED.. Btw am also planning to buy the One S .. Very disappointed by Samsung support.
Here is the article on the One S screen
http://www.gsmarena.com/htc_one_s_and_one_x_displays_detailed-news-3940.php
Yeah it's kinda weird how everyone is really positive about the One S' screen. It sounds like it has the same screen as the razzr, and a lot of people complain about Motorola's screen.
Anyway, maybe they improved the PenTile performances. We'll see soon enough!
I think Motorola just does a poor job calibrating their screens. I have no problem with the Pentile screen on the Vibrant. Its obviously no retina display but it's very sharp considering the screen size and resolution.
The only thing that sort of bugs me about the screen is how saturated everything is. Some people like that but I would prefer more natural tones. This is just personal preference though.
As an owner of AMOLED desire, i can say that its the best! It depends a lot on when and where you use your phone most. For me, thats in office and in my room at night.
Especially in a dark room, nothing can compare to the infinite contrast and excellent blacks of SAMOLED screens. Also very good for showing pictures to others, as they appear vibrant.
I guess my 2nd preference would be the IPS display from LG (like the one on Optimus 2X).
One VERY annoying aspect of SuperAMOLED is the burn in and wear.
I had an SGS before and the black statusbar got burned into the screen after 3-4 months of use.
It won't go away no matter what and it gets super annoying when holding the phone in landscape and watching video.
The wearing of the screen makes the colors less vibrant and not as bright.
I did love AMOLED before it burned in but after that I couldn't take it anymore so I got a sensation and passed my SGS down to my little sister.
I'm not sure that is normal.. though all screens can get some degree of burn in, it shouldn't be permanent.
Could be just a bad phone?
Both me and wife have amoled phones (me desire, her sgs) and don't notice any Burn in.
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It would be nice to know how the screen compares to say a SGS
I have a one s and my wife also, no issues with screen this is now my 9th HTC and clarity and colours are fine, you'd have to be very picky to complain that its not up to the job. This is one cracking phone, i'm sure i'll find some bugs but for now its great.
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I have a one s and my wife also, no issues with screen this is now my 9th HTC and clarity and colours are fine, you'd have to be very picky to complain that its not up to the job. This is one cracking phone, i'm sure i'll find some bugs but for now its great.
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I am thinking about both One X and One S, but screen is really important for me, because I had iPhone 4S for more than a month and can say, that I see so many pixels now So the question is, can you see pixels on One S screen? Is it sharp and clear?
Hey guys, I did a lengthy review of the One S and iPhone 4 - Apologies for the lighting, the camera I was using wasn't functioning properly in bright light so I had to lower the lighting in the room. However the video is emphasizing the OS' on both handsets and YouTube will allow it to go up to 720p streaming quality.
Clearly, there can only be "One" winner
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I almost quit your video when you talked about the screens...
Under 1.5' you CLEARLY see the PenTile crap on the One S. There's no way to see a damn 1px line on that phone, it will display a dotted line...
Otherwise we have more or less the same thoughts about our phones.
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I almost quit your video when you talked about the screens...
Under 1.5' you CLEARLY see the PenTile crap on the One S. There's no way to see a damn 1px line on that phone, it will display a dotted line...
Otherwise we have more or less the same thoughts about our phones.
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Yeah if you know about it, you'll notice it.
However most consumers aren't aware of what a Pentile screen is, so they'll hardly notice it unless they're being told to look for it.
Honestly it's only an issue with home screen icons and some text when zoomed out. Video and pictures look crisp and clear as day, as do games. The whites do tend to be unbalanced, but that's more or less the blending of S-Amoled and Pentile. The Amaze, which is non-pentile and sports an S-LCD qHD display, definitely is the sharper of the two displays. But the colors and lack of any screen bleed (which you get on the Amaze) makes the One S tops in comparison. I'm a fan of the retina display, I'm just not a fan of the screen size, and I emphasize that in the video.
Thanks for watching.
Can you explain more about pentile. I don't see what so bad about it.
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Can you explain more about pentile. I don't see what so bad about it.
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Err, well if you don't see a problem with your phone's screen you are better to not start looking to know why some have issues with it.
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Err, well if you don't see a problem with your phone's screen you are better to not start looking to know why some have issues with it.
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It doesn't matter since ima get the Galaxy S3 anyways
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It still a PenTile screen lol... But if you don't notice something wrong with the One S you will certainly not see a problem with the GSIII since the resolution is much densier.
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It still a PenTile screen lol... But if you don't notice something wrong with the One S you will certainly not see a problem with the GSIII since the resolution is much densier.
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seriously? Then I guess ill go back to my one X. I was gonna switch back anyways since it has a larger display and more memory, but just wanted to know about pentile
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Err, well if you don't see a problem with your phone's screen you are better to not start looking to know why some have issues with it.
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Yeah I would advise that as well.
I never noticed it until I read up about it, then it was a never ending mission to analyze sub pixels. It got to the point where I had to de-program myself from noticing, and since the One S does have as vibrant of a screen as it does, I've been able to overlook it.
Though I agree that in comparison to a non-pentile like the Amaze, you will notice it. In comparison to Retina, you'll definitely see coloration issues with the way the pentile portrays whites.
With that said, I really don't think it's as bad as people make seem, specifically on a 720p screen. I never noticed it on my G-Nexus, though I did get quite annoyed with the yellow/blue tint/hue that the whites put out. That bothered me much more then pentile, bar none. To each their own, everyone has a different set of eyes and will see things differently. In a way, I'm beginning to like the pentile because it makes icons and text come out a bit sharper, and just seem more comfortable for my pair of eyes.
The Amaze, and even a display like the G2X's with IPS really had no problems with the jagged edges and such on icons, and though the SGS2 Hercules has a 480x800 resolution, it was non-pentile Super Amoled Plus, which imo was the best in the market for that specific resolution. But where the Amaze was good with rendering smooth icons/text, it was bad rendering blacks and dark colors, because of the S-LCD screen bleed that was prevalent with the capacitive button lights. Once you turn them off though, you won't notice it.
I just want to know if you satisfied with the One S pentile matrix screen. I have a Sam S2 and recently bought a One S (S3 chipset) and i noticed the lcd is very pixelated (if its a real word, sry for my English) compared with the S2's screen. Its not too bad but noticeable and a bit disappointing. How you live with this?
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I just want to know if you satisfied with the One S pentile matrix screen. I have a Sam S2 and recently bought a One S (S3 chipset) and i noticed the lcd is very pixelated (if its a real word, sry for my English) compared with the S2's screen. Its not too bad but noticeable and a bit disappointing. How you live with this?
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By not being incredibly picky. The phone wasn't cheap, so before I signed a contract, I made sure I was happy with every aspect of the phone. While I do agree it's pixelated, and that my Sensation had slightly better quality, I am incredibly happy with the screen. I'm rarely centimeters away from the screen so I can live with it especially because the color reproduction is amazing.
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I just want to know if you satisfied with the One S pentile matrix screen. I have a Sam S2 and recently bought a One S (S3 chipset) and i noticed the lcd is very pixelated (if its a real word, sry for my English) compared with the S2's screen. Its not too bad but noticeable and a bit disappointing. How you live with this?
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I think you just get used to it after a while. I couldn't stand the screen when I first got the phone, It stopped me using it regularly because I just used to get annoyed at the screen! (sad I know) But now I don't even think about the screen because I'm so used to it. I came from the Desire S which had a S-LCD display and a 480x800 display so that was a very good screen considering it was only 3.7 inches! I found the amoled colours of the one s to be extremely saturated. I didn't like the yellowish/blueish whites and the fact that every time you slightly changed the angle of the screen the colours would turn slightly blue. Text looked pixelated especially on a white background, that doesn't help considering a key part of sense 4 settings is all white background. It took me a good month to get used to the screen and 3 months in, I'm used to it Possibly getting the Nexus 4 soon so doubt I'll have much longer with this phone anyway.
Sorry for the little off topic might pickup a one s didn't want to start a new thread...
I saw the one s at my local fido store and damn its so snappy even whit sense !! But i tried the one x and it was somewhat slower is this normal ? Flicking through homescreens just werent the same..
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I did notice it some when I first got it, but I really don't anymore at all, and like was said above, I'm never close enough to my display to really notice it. I think the screen is incredible, as is every other aspect of the phone. I LOVE my One S.
I thought it would annoy me, but the phone was free so I decided to bite the bullet. I've had the phone 6 months now, and I really don't notice it at this point.
I love the one S display, sure the screen isn't as sharp as the GN, GS 3 and one X etc. and you don't get as much screen real estate but everything else is just as good, if not better:
- one of the best screens in sun light, don't even have to put my screen above 70% brightness in direct sun light in order to be able to make stuff out easily and this is on a darkish background too, MUCH better than the GN and GS 2 in this area
- colour reproduction is superb, my screen is pretty much perfect, whites are super white, brighter white than my dell u2311h, iirc a review site stated that the screen is better calibrated than the GS 3 SAMOLED screen
- no tinting at all on mine, usually with AMOLED screens you get a blue or yellow tint, which is noticeable at angles on whites but not on mine (this varies with every single screen though)
- of course blacks are black and the viewing angles are superb
- high contrast ratio etc. so games and videos look great
I only notice the pentile when looking at white text on black backgrounds and a few icons, but only when I really look for it and have my face pretty close to the screen. I find the one S screen to be sharper overall compared to the GS 2 screen.
I have had the one S beside the GS 2, GN and GS 3 and personally I didn't like the GS 2 screen at all, res. is too low so things are huge (felt like an old man using a phone designed for people with poor eye sight ), colours are far too saturated/warm. The GN screen is nice and sharp but the colours aren't saturated enough, rather dull over all and plus both phones are poor in comparison to the S for view ability in the sunshine. The GS 3 screen is great, better than the GN, however, I think the one S screen looks better for colours.
Anandtech more or less summed up my thoughts:
What’s different, however, is how well HTC has controlled the color temperature and gamma compared to Motorola in the RAZR. As shown in the HCFR galleries below, gamma is pretty close to 2.2 until you get to the high end, and color temperature is pretty close to 6500K, except at the two darkest grey points. This is so much better than any other OEM calibration of an AMOLED panel I’ve taken a look at, which is rather humorous because the panel is undoubtably Samsung’s. HTC is also letting the panel go pretty bright, up past 350 nits, instead of clamping it way down around 200 (I’m looking at you, Galaxy Nexus) to save power. I also haven’t noticed blacks not being totally off on the One S like I have with some others. Of course, colors are still massively oversaturated if your source color space is sRGB.
I’ve griped about PenTile RGBG before on this panel and other SAMOLED displays, but I find the One S to be completely enjoyable in spite of having it thanks to two things. First, how well HTC has controlled the panel (no awful hues, weird white points, or dramatic shifts as you change brightness) - this is basically the best I’ve seen this particular panel, and until SGS3, the best I’ve seen AMOLED in general. Second, because HTC doesn’t appear to be applying any processing that applies sharpening (like Samsung’s mDNIe) to text.
How you feel about PenTile really is the final factor: it’s there, but I’ve slowly become accustomed to it after staring at it for so long. If you go back to the Nexus S days, I was one of the most outspoken critics because of how large those subpixels were. With small enough subpixels (below visual acuity), PenTile starts to make sense. In other news, HTC moving back to Samsung AMOLED for phones is an interesting move after supply issues forced HTC to SLCD with some earlier phones, here on the HTC One S however, it looks great.
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http://www.anandtech.com/show/5868/htc-one-s-review-international-and-tmobile/6
My solution: Get old. You probably can't see all the minute issues you guys think matter, and you don't really care if you do. Every phone I've ever had has had a better screen than the previous and I think that's pretty nice.
I hate the screen, drives me nuts. I found that using a theme that mostly uses blacks and whites makes it more bearable though.
mbh87 said:
I hate the screen, drives me nuts. I found that using a theme that mostly uses blacks and whites makes it more bearable though.
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Have to agree. Thing is apart from the screen it's a fantastic phone. It's so fast, battery life is great and the camera is great. I don't even think the screen would be that bad if it wasn't pentile it's just the fact that it's a pentile display it makes the phone look way more pixelated than it should be
I think I need to go to specsavers, I've never noticed a problem with the screen.
The screen on this is amazing. Don't notice any pixellation whilst on it . It's quite an improvement over my old Wildfires QVGA 3.5 inch 240x320 TFT display.
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If you switched from Wildfire you cant see this but if you had any phone in the alike pixel density and resolution you can see the difference. According to others opinion its not bad, the perfect color saturation, contrast etc will eliminate the bad feeling about those subpixels.
HTC does calibrate their screens nicely
I suppose it depends on what you're used to. When you come from an iPhone or high-end LCD-screen you probably will get annoyed with this display. However, when this is your first touchscreen smartphone or when you had a smartphone with a low-end display before this one, you will probably be able to cope with the slight pixilation.
Personally, even with this being my first touchscreen smartphone and coming from an E72 with a PPI of about 170, the display of this device would be the only reason for me to buy a One X or Nexus 4. That being said; you don't buy a smartphone solely for its display, you buy it for the complete package (price, battery, design, display, size, cpu/gpu, storage, support, OS, cloud integration etc.). And for me, the package the One S offers is more compelling than that of most other smartphones one the market.
I compared the One S screen to that of my Galaxy Nexus and honestly, when it comes to clarity, there isn't much of a difference. If you are in your twenties with near perfect eyesight and able to hold the phone less than a foot from your face then you will probably see pixelation but at normal distances it isn't an issue. For me it seems that anything above 250ppi is fine - my original Galaxy S was less (I think 233ppi) and that display was pixelated to me, but then again it was an earlier generation screen, I'm sure there have been other refinements besides resolution since then.
One S 256 PPI
Sam Galaxy S2 217 PPI but looks sharper.
Its all about the pixel placement, pentile matrix is a pattern. This matrix gives us better colors because more subpixels. Google for it there are many info i cant explain it in english
I come from an LG Optimus 2x, 4'' ips display, 800x480, and I feel this display better IMHO.
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gszabi said:
One S 256 PPI
Sam Galaxy S2 217 PPI but looks sharper.
Its all about the pixel placement, pentile matrix is a pattern. This matrix gives us better colors because more subpixels. Google for it there are many info i cant explain it in english
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I said Galaxy S, not S2.
Yes the S2 was/is superior despite the lower resolution thanks to the RGB arrangement (not pentile). The original Galaxy S was pentile, and not that great by today's standards.
It's okay, but I'm actually kind of unsatisfied with the blacks. I thought it would be completely black, but when I have a black picture shown on the phone in a completely dark room, the screen still lights up
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